Finance Committee

1. 0:04Is that better? Okay. So, this is the final.
2. 0:11Thank you, Margaret. Um, hi. How are you? And so, Vicki is not online, so it's just me and Margaret here today.
3. 0:21Okay. So, what we're going to do is, well, since the two of us reviewed these documents, I don't want to review them again. so much fun.
4. 0:32Well, I do have I do have new information.
5. 0:34Okay. You have new information.
6. 0:36Mhm.
7. 0:37And what's that?
8. 0:38So, um after BEA today, I talked to Blur and to uh Sher cuz they had gone through the schedule and they explained to me what a peddler is.
9. 0:55Oh. And we do indeed have peddlers. And the difference between a peddler and a vendor is peddlers are people who go around door to door like getting you to change your carrier for electricity, solar, blahy blah.
10. 1:08Um they typically will have up to eight of those 150 a year peddler things. They also do uh background checks and so on.
11. 1:18So they said to make sure that that stays. Um
12. 1:23we also talked about the uh uh auction houses.
13. 1:27Yeah.
14. 1:28And uh the reason that they require these physical reports of everything that's in the auction
15. 1:35is to maintain records in case for some reason there's some policing brief about an item that was stolen or whatever.
16. 1:42Okay.
17. 1:43And so hang on, that's fine. Um so I'm explaining you this green. Yes. So, um, I asked if this had ever happened when they and so I said, "Well, the neither of these auction houses produce physical uh uh, you know, um, programs or whatever lists uh, for the auctions, everything is online. So what if we were to simply have something in the language that says that they need to maintain records of what they had in prior auctions for up to a certain number of years in case there is some inquiry and they were fine with that. They said, "Yeah, that that would work as long as we have a workaround that if we do have an inquiry that we can go back and see what was in the auction." So we can
18. 2:32still proceed with that. That's not going to be a problem, but we have to put the peddlers back in. Um, Laric is going to send us an email as to go through and see if there's anything else that they looked at that they were concerned about, but we have to put the pedlers back in.
19. 2:47Should they do that currently?
20. 2:51Yes, they she I think she said that they had eight in the last year.
21. 2:56The they collect that fee.
22. 2:58It's for the like the the national grid or the light bulb.
23. 3:02Yeah. any of those people who go door todoor, you know, when somebody comes saying you want to change your car or for electric whatever, those are considered packed
24. 3:10and they have to go through them in order to So then can you ask them for a federal license?
25. 3:17Yeah. Well, they're going to send me an email on you hopefully as well with what the current process.
26. 3:22Okay. So, for the person who answers the door Yeah.
27. 3:26Can they demand to see a pedler? That's a good idea.
28. 3:30That's a good idea. Yep.
29. 3:33How do you know it's a licensed pitler?
30. 3:35You don't know,
31. 3:36right?
32. 3:37No, that's a good idea actually cuz they do background checks.
33. 3:41Well, I mean that's important. You don't want like
34. 3:44random going to your door.
35. 3:46Yeah.
36. 3:46And then they should have a license and they should produce a city license with a say checked.
37. 3:53Yep. That's a good suggestion. Um the other thing they mentioned was um they're sending us an email of any that they identified as wanting to push back in. Um but like for example a booth on the street that's a vendor,
38. 4:11right? The other thing that they questioned was the mass uh gathering permits and then the uh fees for fireworks because of the $500 fee to the fire department if they have to be there for they have to issue a permit for fireworks. So she's sure that we're going to have the 200 plus the 500 but how is that going to work? So we should be receiving an email clarification from them in the next in the next so that when we finalize this we'll have a better
39. 4:56do we have anybody online
40. 4:58yeah just okay so I don't have anything beyond what we have already discussed All right. So just one other thing. Um in the BEA meeting today um for the cemetery fund
41. 5:37uh there was a discussion of the fees for uh plots and for enterment and uh there will be some revisions to that and so um I will request from Rob Perry that he sends us he they're going to do a 10% they're proposing a 10% increase in the fees for lots and for environment.
42. 6:01Uh why why aren't those on on this list?
43. 6:04I'm sorry.
44. 6:04Why isn't why aren't cemetery plot fees on this list?
45. 6:08Well, I don't know whether they should or they shouldn't be, but they are going to do that. If we don't need to put it on this list, let's not bother because what it does is it goes through the commissioner. But if we want to put I I told them that we we haven't addressed this at all here because we figured that was handled by the cemetery. So, we can leave it off and just have it happen through the cemetery. And that's fine. But that's just an FYI that those fees, the proposed medical fees should increase,
46. 6:34right? But those fees could be on this list as well. And we have code enforcement fees.
47. 6:38Yeah, I think they could be on the list. So I'm going to ask Rob Heather showed me the uh the table that um with that he maintains all of these and they vary by time of year etc. um and size of blah blah blah. So I would get that from him and it's going to be across the board 10% on all groceries and we just add
48. 7:04it varies. It depends on the size of the plot whether it's a burial or a cremation. Uh whether it's uh the plot speeds vary uh in German varies depending on the time of year whether it's cremation whether it's uh burial and it also varies by whether it's a resident. Residents get a discount versus a non-resident. So, it it's it's a whole thing, but we can I think we probably should add it into our list. All right. Fine. So, number one, uh the pedler license the pedler license will stay on.
49. 7:47Yes.
50. 7:48And that we should look into actually having a physical license like this.
51. 7:52Yes. that people can show as they knock on the door.
52. 7:57We're going to get a list of cemetery plot days.
53. 7:59Yep.
54. 8:00And number three, the auction houses will retain, we will maintain a list. They need to maintain a list or do they send a list to the city park or
55. 8:09apparently they have to physically produce a list to send because they do not have a physical list. Neither of them have physical lists. Everything is online,
56. 8:17right? And so what we will do is change the regulation to say that they are required to maintain uh online an electronic record of what was in the auction um for updating 3 five years in the event in the unlikely event that there is any policing for each.
57. 8:35What if they just send um electronic like spreadsheet police
58. 8:41every after they do a auction? Isn't that double or a lyric or two?
59. 8:46Well, that whole point is to find stolen up.
60. 8:48They don't do anything at all with it has never happened. They don't do anything at all with these physical papers that they get. And I think if there was a rental retention rule in the code that said you must maintain an electronic record. So, in the event that there is a question about something that was auctioned um from the police department, then the police could go to the auction house and say, "Okay, we're looking for the auction for 2023, August 7th. Uh can we look at what was
61. 9:18auctioned in that?"
62. 9:19I don't think these things have never happened. What has happened then now is that people will sell something like I group.
63. 9:25Yeah.
64. 9:26Which is
65. 9:27Yes. There has been issues that not in auctions but there have been uh issues with people selling hybrid
66. 9:33right. I mean granted we don't have no
67. 9:40we don't have list of everything that people say and I can understand that auction house. You want to make sure that no one's selling stolen goods, but they can sell it anywhere to anywhere.
68. 9:54Well, the the whole point is to have a record of what the auction
69. 9:58and that already exists.
70. 9:59So, all we need is like electronic amended. So, it says electronic record.
71. 10:03Yeah. With with a retention period
72. 10:07because they do nothing. They just file them away.
73. 10:10Yeah. It's it's all in case.
74. 10:12Yeah. Exactly. But I think a representation should be language.
75. 10:16Okay. What else there? Pedler, cemetery, auction house.
76. 10:19Nothing else up to me. No.
77. 10:22Wow.
78. 10:24No. So, Mr. Chair, do you need a motion to adjourn?
79. 10:30Okay.
80. 10:31Uh, that's uh
81. 10:33wrong. Thank you.
82. 10:35Um, motion to return. Mark,
83. 10:37do we have any questions in public?
84. 10:40Any hands raised?
85. 10:42No.
86. 10:43No.
87. 10:44No. All right. Moshi,
88. 10:47but

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