Common Council, Regular Meeting

1. 5:00Get introduction.
2. 6:19A second to respect the reading of the November 10th 184 introduction in a second and they Say hi. Anyone? Okay, we have a number of presentations and I have action section. So, we're going to have two presentations. Aware that the selection committee for
3. 7:26the D warehouse has selected um different breweries. But uh in the interest of opening this, we're also getting short termination from the number two. So, and then of course next month will be going. So, first up are the major votes. It's >> over here. >> This one, right? >> Friends and community. Um the collection the selection committee as you know has selected our proposal for Dub Warehouse as they're running out company. Um if the common council doesn't approve their
4. 8:30proposal or the proposal doesn't move forward for any reason, we're honored to be considered by the common council to revitalize this important historic structure. Um we're here today to present an alternative vision for the future of Hudson Waterfront. We are in love with the building and excited about what it could be and and we're invested in the long-term future of the waterfront. Our vision is for a healthy, vibrant and diverse waterfront for all with done serving as a welcoming community hub. There are already so many incredible activities that occur on our beloved Hudson water and we believe the success of the waterfront's future depends on a fair and equitable access and use of Dun Warehouse. Go next slide. So our plan um is similar to the plan that my previous team done um developed for the waterfront um for Dun Warehouse. It would be um a commercial event space in the south section of the building and then commercial tenant spaces on the north section of the building. Um one of them would be a food and beverage and there would be associated exterior programming space. Um the event space is programmed to have a certain number of
5. 9:33private events per year that are meant to offset private events or to offset um the cost for public events. And this space would be offered basically at little to no cost for throughout the year to ongoing community programming. The main idea is that the waterfront is for everyone. It should be accessible for everyone and that there needs to be a flexibility and overlapping uses for multiple types of events to occur on the waterfront. Um we can keep going. And so the idea here is that um for exterior programming, we'd have like a a food area that would bleed to the outside. We'd have some kind of outdoor amenity space which we have a number of ideas and have done extensive community engagement on what that could be and you could see a little bit more on the next slide. Some type oh um some type of um play garden or educational garden space and then the south section would be more reserved for the event space that's associated on the south section. This is just an exterior rendering and these are just some ideas and we both
6. 10:36sent through this presentation so you have access to it but I want to keep moving. So here is an example of how the exterior section on the north could be programs. You could have anything from a splash pad and an amphitheater to an ice rink, the play garden that I mentioned before and then these pre-unction outdoor gathering and event porch spaces. Um really the idea is that you know we want it to be accessible to all the different types of communities especially the communities um the housing communities like Bliss Towers um the Schulerport apartments and the Hudson Terrace apartments that are within a walking distance to the waterfront because that can be a place that a lot of children will go a lot of people will walk to from um the downtown Hudson area and it really should be a space for all ages um that can serve children that can serve adults, families, elders um and not be limited to a specific population. And also there's aspirations to connect
7. 11:38to what's already happening and plan for the Henry Hudson Riverfront Park like the what's called out in the LWRP as well as the assembage plan for the revitalization of and rehabilitation of the waterfront. Um here I just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge like some of the reservations of the selection committee and um you know at first I want to just address what and acknowledge the failure of my previous team done and done um to complete development as planned. Basically one of the largest roadblocks of the previous plan was that under the leaseold structure we were not able to um finance the project or secure financing as a leaseold and not as an owner of the building. And so we kept running into roadblocks with financing. We put an extensive amount of time and effort into that plan in terms of due diligence, reports, concept design, onboarding of all our consultants and um really engaging the community and getting people involved and excited about building momentum towards a waterfront that was a shared vision for everybody. Um but because of that financing
8. 12:41roadblock, unfortunately the project, we had to remove ourselves from the lease. Um, and so the city decided to reissue the RFP and because I believe in the project, I believe in this vision, I decided to continue to pursue this and bring on a new partner, uh, Ben, who I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with. And yeah, maybe Ben can speak a little bit about your motivations and interest in this project. >> Yeah, I it's hard to add to that because it was it's really good. I just uh fell in love with Caitlyn's vision for the Dunn. care a lot about what happens to the waterfront and this clearly would have a enormous impact. It is an amazing thing that Hudson has. It's access to water is uh very unique. So I was just very excited to be a part of it and uh happen to be a spoiled nice guy that that can fund something like this. So it was a little bit of a privilege to get to be a part of it. Um, and I know we're runner up, so if anything happens to the their
9. 13:46project, we are ready to go. >> To add to that, obviously you have a vested interest in the waterfront. You really care about what's going on down there and you have experience with developing store structures. >> All very true. Um so the idea is that this proposal will build on the best parts of the previous proposal but in a way that is taking those learnings applying it and actually making it more feasible because it's um it's the financial structure is is completely different this time. Um I know another concern that I want to speak to was the concern about the public events or the private events um you know taking away the Dun warehouse at certain times for the public. Um, and the idea is that our perform calls for like max 24 repeat private events per year. And the idea is that this could range for anything from fundraisers for local organizations to weddings to events for um, you know, even the Huz Fire Department or something like that. But the goal of the private events is really to like financially offset the operations for the private use or the
10. 14:48public use of this building. Um, and so it's crucial to note, yeah, that the private events come first and then the idea is that we'll be blocking off specific dates with the city in collaboration and communication at like things like, you know, flag obviously certain festivals, Latinx festival, black arts festival, the LGBTQ parade, waterfront Wednesdays. So we want to like carve out peak dates for the done warehouse use and then anything after that the remaining dates we will you know fill in to meet our minimum required to like meet our financial goals for making this building um operable for the greater public and yeah I think I think we can another concern also is around project readiness and timeline and construction timeline. Um, so I think one of the ways that we can address that, you can keep going. You can keep going. Yeah. Is that because we're adopting a similar plan and
11. 15:50approach to the previous project, we've already completed essentially like six months of our construction timeline. And you know, maybe this is not as much going to be part of the other plan, but we put a significant time and energy into community engagement into due diligence. We wanted to make sure this project is done right. And so we've already completed this whole list, you know, phase one environmental study, structural assessment report, civil survey and study, concept design package by WXY architects, 3D modeling of existing conditions, construction cost estimation, our development budget, capital stack um which we're going to be adjusting obviously. Um um we have existing relationships with ESD who is who is the administer of the restore grant. We've done our historic phase on reporting um to verify eligibility for historic tax credits which will be one of the financing mechanisms. Um we have our construction schedule and SOP and again an extensive community engagement that has um over 100 paid report. Um and we've onboarded all of our primary design professionals and consultants including our historic tax credit
12. 16:52consultants. Um, and we've also created a plan for how the Denare House could support and benefit from the development community pool, which we received a grant for last year with the New York State Swiss Program. Um, and we are no longer, you know, that's no longer part of our proposal, but there's a potential idea that maybe we could develop an adjacent site into a pool if that was something the community wanted. Next slide. These are just images from some of the community engagement. We're at most waterfront Wednesdays. We hosted our own events. We hosted a joy day. We brought on local um performers and collaborators. Um we offered a lot of food and resources. And these are just some of the things. There's like a report that's been published that says, you know, what people want to see at the waterfront, what kind of programming they want to see in the event space. Um yeah, and a lot of it is geared around fitness, wellness, dance classes, supporting local organizations, performances, live music, interactive art, theater, um education, um and waterfront, waterfront education
13. 17:55specifically as well. And so here's our project schedule. Um you can dig into it more, but it's previously it was a 30-month schedule. Now, because we did this work, the 24-month schedule, keep going. And then these are just our sources and uses which our financing is mainly going to be you know from equity um the restore grant a new national grid grant and historic tax credits and potentially a zpace loan and it's a project cost of about $4.2 million. This is our team and then these are the consultants that we've onboarded or that we've previously been working with. Thank you for your time and we'll send this along. Really appreciate the consideration. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Great. Council members questions. >> I have a question. >> Um I just one question. uh when you are having private events uh these people might might be a wedding
14. 18:58whatever where it's a one day event your design is like would be water waterfront type commercial say maybe rental cafe >> will they accessible to the public during a private event >> I think the goal is to maintain what you could call oh >> it's okay the goal um to keep some of that north section available and so that we like kind of creating the south section of the private space so that we can carve out values of landscaping and other ways to kind of shield the two activities from each other so we could keep >> So the fact that you have in your proposal I believe you had 24 peak period peak month uh events that was your estimate >> that would not prevent members of the public from utilizing the space or the building even though you had an event going on because when I was looking at that I'm thinking okay that's pretty much every weekend during the summer >> right
15. 19:59>> the goal is that there still will be access to some of the north part of the building and exterior space >> during those events >> so if you were doing kayak finals that would still go on during those events >> that's correct and yes to your point we are interested in you know partnering with paddles or sleep club or other water organizations that are already there >> that would still be on the board yeah >> I think if there is a um large you know the city throws large events and that would take precedent no matter what. So it's not like we would >> but I'm just thinking spec I'm thinking specifically of are we looking at a situation where there's going to be every weekend during the summer an event which would then preclude the members of the public from maxing out it. But it does not seem that that's the case that you would you could have these events in that carved out area and then all of the other things would still be going on at the same time. Yes, >> that was my only question. >> I have a question. Sure. >> So, how much is there in need of uh advanced spaces in our city? Have we have we done the inventory of how many >> spaces there are and will it will this
16. 21:02be competing with the bushel? >> I'm of the opinion that a rising tide raise all raises all ships. So, when there's more events spaces, there's more events is my opinion. So I that's how I've seen it. And we we have um it's also a diff it's a different kind of thing than anything else I see anywhere else. It's nothing quite like this. So it's it has a unique quality to it. But um also there's lots of different kinds of events. So often people think events are are weddings. I I call them love ceremonies. But a lot of what um K caboose does for example is we do um we do fundraising gallas, we do corporate events, we do uh the you know we get all kinds of different vendors who are trying to we do a real estate fair, we do all we're
17. 22:07doing. >> So you're busy around the clock. I mean, you have your >> It's just amazing the the kind of variety of of people who need space to do things. There's a lot of activity up there. So, I I think there's lots of room. >> Um I think you could prove that if we if we needed to there there's if I can comment, there's a lot of event space already and more coming on board, but there are also more hotels coming on board as well. And that's the relationship there. >> Okay, let's um move along since this was not the winning proposal. Let's hear from Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Let's hear from uh um you can view both proposals online. The one thing that is not included is the being offered because that's not public knowledge yet. to the I guess my own vote. Um, but that has that has factored into this considerably.
18. 23:18>> Hi everyone. Um, I'm going to start my proposal with anology. I did not realize we would have such a robust AV, so you guys just have to listen to me talk. Um, and thank you all so much for letting us be here. Uh my name is Caitlyn Arcita. I'm one of the operators of Pleasant Brewing Company. Um I have with me William Tibo who is the owner. And we also have with us representatives uh Liam Betts and Tyler Thompson. They're from Argo Murray. Uh you know if this proposal does go through they we've selected Argo Murray to be our proposed um design and build partner. I will also say we do have some old school papers. I created a couple of month sheeters here along with our project timeline that I think hits all of the major points of the proposal we submitted. Um, but of course today we're going to I'm going to briefly go through our submission with you guys with a particular emphasis on the way that I think our submission um will benefit the the city of Hudson and also activate the waterfront space as a yearround civic space. Um, so obviously at the core, everyone's read it. But I assume the core of our proposal is that we would like to move and expand our operations from our current location
19. 24:22which is located in the antiques warehouse um just across the parking lot basically in the uh and in thinking about what that may look like she started with the question of how can we in this design and in this process create a space that positively impacts um daily life in the city and then also particularly on the waterfront. So, we kind of came up with a design that encompasses three things. Um, the first is an expansion of our current folk, excuse me, current food program. Um, to create something that resembles more of a traditional restaurant model than like a bar. Um, the goal to that being to create a space that is really welcoming and accessible to everyone regardless of age and certain whether or not you choose to hang up. Um the second piece is uh creating a separate uh space for a production facility. And the third and in my opinion the most important um is the creation of an ADA compliant second story um area that's totally private and separate from the tap room um whose
20. 25:24whole intention is to be used for community and private events. Uh I maybe you know maybe you don't. Um we consider our community work really to be the core of what we do. It's not something we wave a ton of flags about. It's just we feel that it's important for a business and a town to take care of the place that it resides, right? Um so we sort of joke and maybe you've seen it in our advertising that our unofficial model is work means community and we truly truly mean that. We've been in business for 10 years and throughout that 10 years we have built long-standing relationships with, you know, just about every nonprofit in and around the town. Um and consistently host events with the purpose of uplifting and supporting their work. Uh, in the interest of time, I'll just give a few examples that are that are relevant right now. Obviously, for the holiday season, um, we just did a ton of local toy drive supporting local youth and kids in the Hudson County School District. Um, we have an event actually coming up next weekend supporting Hudson family reunion. Before the holidays, we did an event with Operation Unite and with the Hudson Rotary Club uh, to fund their work and also to purchase new equipment for local fires.
21. 26:26And honestly, I could pull the calendar and we could just keep going. um we do something probably every month and always again with the goal like I said of supporting those organizations that are taking care of our neighbors because that's what matters most to us. Um and many that's also important to know probably that many of these organizations are already hosting events on the waterfront. So having that space and will hopefully help us to build that programming and support the community even. >> Okay. >> The other thing that I think I'm especially too is the opportunity to develop >> with this whose goal is to help build recreation along the water. Obviously custom paddles comes to mind right away because they're basically sitting on the property already and we know those guys and they're great. Um, but really we'd be open to having conversations with just about anybody. Uh, you know, whether it's ice cream or another food vendor or really anything, but whose purpose is to just really create the waterfront as like a very welcoming um and warm place for everyone in our community.
22. 27:28Uh, I will also say that with with regards to recreation, part of our design does include the addition of um, pending city approval of course of uh, new sidewalks and also parking. Uh the goal obviously being to make the space as accessible to people as possible. Uh those would obviously be integrated into the design which prioritizes um respecting and restoring the historical integrity of the building in the plan that we set forward. Obviously we want to we talked all about like the importance of repurposing the um some of the materials that are already there as much as possible. And of course, anything that's new, uh, you know, I'm thinking like light pictures and landscaping and all that super exciting stuff that everyone loves to talk about, would be designed to feel like integrated within the park space. Um, we sort of joke that we think of the this building as sort of like the front porch to the waterfront park and that's like a really hopefully lovely year- round complement to the park's outdoor activities. Um the other I guess the only other
23. 28:32thing like I said I want to be respectful of everyone's time but there are some civic and economic benefits additionally that I think are important to talk about um global job creation obviously like the first one that comes to mind. We are in business already. We are a small business. Um we have currently 10 employees. Hopefully with this expansion we would get to grow. Um, and the other thing I'll just say on that is that we um, you know, we've been doing this for 10 years. All of our employees except for one live within 10 minutes of Hudson. Half of them, including the owner, were born and raised here. It's hard to get a more local local business, I think, in a community like ours. And we hope to be able to keep supporting that as much as we can. Um, the other thing I think again is just like creating the physical connection between the waterfront space as it exists now and the other commerce in the area. Obviously, we're down there. We see how people move in the space every day. Unfortunately, it does sometimes feel like that waterfront can be a little bit cut off from the other things that are going on. And our hope is that one of the benefits of this project will be to like connect those two spaces in a way that feel really
24. 29:34like cohesive and organic. Uh, and then the last piece that I'll note on which is an economic one that matters probably the most is the additional tax revenue. We are not asking for a pilot with this project. It seems silly to me to stand up here and beat the drum of like community development for the last five minutes and then take a building off of the city's tax bill. That is not our intention at all. In fact, we want to add to it. Um, and so I guess I'll just wrap up like I'll just wrap up by saying that obviously we're not traditional developers. Maybe for some people that was a little bit ratified, but we feel confident in our ability to execute this project. uh one because we think that it's a model that works. We've been doing this. We've been growing consistently over the last decade. We think that the thing we're doing seems to be, you know, it seems to be getting the job done. The other thing is that the scale of this project in our opinion matches the scale of our business. And ideally, what we'd like to do in working with the city and partnering on this is to be able to be a model for what a missiondriven business can do in a community like. So, I'll wrap it up in case anybody wants to
25. 30:37throw anything in with just saying obviously thank you guys so much for this opportunity. We've had, you know, we're so grateful to be here and for the process that's brought us brought us this far. So, unless any of my team has any, we'd be happy to take questions. >> Thank you, Kate. >> Was that too fast? >> You're talking way too much. >> Um, so obviously the the space will cover your current operations. Um, how far in the future will it cover? I mean, can it cover 50% additional growth? >> It covers 75% additional growth. >> Okay. And you're recognizing that and you're good with it and >> yeah, that's good. >> 75% growth is pretty good. >> I think >> So, since we're not going to be voting for this, I mean, uh, the new council will vote for this. Do they have to do the presentation again? No, >> it's not. >> Some of them are here. In fact, I see one here. So, there's only one person not here.
26. 31:41>> Yeah, >> there's a um question online. Ron, do you have a question? >> Roni, >> hello. Can you hear me? >> We can. >> Okay. First of all, I would like to know the panel that that responded to the responses to the RFPs. Uh when and where did they meet? >> I can't recall actually. Let's see. Um Mark, did you recall was online? >> If I had my calendar, I >> um we had to have our our scoring in last Wednesday, whatever date that was. And then we met Thursday or Friday of the week before. Uh that was our second meeting where we had interviews with the candidates and then prior to that about a week or 10 days before that we met to review all of the applications for selecting the candidates for interview.
27. 32:44>> Okay. So then >> the decision that was made was made approximately when >> I don't know Ron when that decision was made. We submitted our scores after we submitted our our scores. There was no additional meeting of the committee. So I have no idea how anybody else scored the applications >> within the last week. Yeah, the spores were submitted last week, but there was no subsequent meeting where the committee came together and said, "Okay, here's the spores. This is so many people voted this way or that." Um, I found out that the committee was recommending uh what I was recommending the same way everybody else did. >> We'll have some. >> Are there records or minutes of your deliberations? >> Uh, no. Uh, I'd like to direct this question to councel to Miss Peek. >> Actually, no. I don't think that's really appropriate. >> Well, I'll direct then I'll I'll trans
28. 33:49a real estate transaction is not covered by I mean is covered by the open meetings law. You do not have to have an open meeting when there's a real estate transaction involved. >> Okay. My question to the coun to council is I if the position of the city is that these meetings were not subject to the open meetings law I would like to hear the reasoning for that >> just told you it's >> so you are giving you're giving me >> I'm telling you if you read the open meetings law >> sorry >> excuse me council would then >> that would be the official that would be the official the legal opinion of the city. I'm just trying to find out what the reasoning is behind not having these meetings open to the public. And that is what what you just told me. That is the reasoning. Has he muted? Am I muted? >> I don't hear.
29. 34:51>> Okay. So, so then what I the question I >> the question I just asked the explanation that you just gave that is the city's official explanation for why these meetings were not subject to the open meetings law. Yes. So my understanding is that this committee the the way it was formed and the basis for this committee is not one that is subject to the open meetings law. However, um I haven't been asked to nor have I looked specifically at this issue. This has been something that's been a long-standing practice that's been prior to my um coming in as as legal counsel. So, but my understanding is that this committee as it is formed is not subject to the open meetings law. >> Uh, but but you do you agree with the grounds that the council president
30. 35:55stated because it was dealing with a real estate transaction? >> Well, real estate transactions and negotiations and evaluations of bids would not be subject to open meetings. Those can be discussed um those are those are subject to closed meetings and executive sessions. So they do not have to be discussed in open meeting and that is an specific exclusion under the open meetings law. >> Okay. Well, before I turn over to Matt McGee who has a totally unrelated question or statement that he would like to make, I would just say that in my reading of the open meetings law, the way to deal with confidential matters is precisely by going into executive session and not holding meetings entirely in secret. And that's all I have to say on this. So know Matt would like to make a statement. >> Uh yes, I I also would asked the question of what are the procedures for selling properties and have they been met in this instance? >> One of the main concerns one of the main
31. 36:58>> I asked you I asked the legal counc >> I I would rather >> first of all Crystal was not our attorney on this matter. It was an Andrew Howard, the may the corporate council. So, it's really not >> Okay. Well, then I'll ask him to write me a letter. >> Excellent idea. Thank you. >> I I wouldn't mind hearing what you claim. >> Uh I'd like to add I would like to congratulate the winners. I guess we call them winners. And I think it would be wonderful to have this and I don't know how the other um participants uh would have played out. It could have been equally as successful but I think I have a feeling you you're going to do very well. Yeah, it's >> the one legal thing I can address is that when one proposal uh has a higher price than the other, we have to have a very good reason for coming up and accepting the lower proposal. Of course.
32. 38:00>> So then that comes into play here. >> It's pretty simple. >> Okay, let's move on. Thank you very much. Okay. Resolution resolution commissioner vote. That's hi. >> Hi. >> Hi Morris. >> Hi. >> Hi >> Roberts. >> Hi >> Brownie. >> Hi >> Sar. >> Hi >> Lola. >> Hi >> President DPro. >> Hi >> Car. The next resolution authorizes the MOA memorandum of um agreement CIC civil service. >> Uh please council
33. 39:02>> member of >> Hi >> Roberts. I >> resolution authorizes a 2026 license agreement of sweet before we vote. Can I make a comment? >> So um I went back and did a comparison year over year last year to this year. They are very very comparable. some increases in uh fee scheduled uh increase in the number of residents to be served and so forth. However, since last week, um I have found out that there was a proposal from the uh PowerBange >> the Hen to manage to you
34. 40:05>> uh to manage the docks and um I've looked at some of that and I think that we ought to take a look at since there is another proposal for this. So this particular one is almost identical to last year's. I did a side by side. Uh there was just one thing in the resolution that if we do go ahead with it, I would change. I forgot to bring it with me, but in in last year's uh preamble, there was language specifically relating to uh serving uh community needs and so forth. There were the paragraphs that I would like to see inserted again. But more importantly, I think I would like to see us tableabling this so that we can assess the other proposal that is out there from the problem. >> I touching the procedural problem. First of all, it's the mayor who solicits proposals for for a license, not the council. >> Okay. >> We get, you know, the eventual we have to vote on it. >> This hasn't even been submitted. So,
35. 41:08either to the mayor or to us. Now you said you had looked at it. Do do you have a copy of the resolution? >> I don't I the resolution before us tonight. I do. >> No, the other one. >> I saw something today from Powerboat. I don't have it with me. >> You saw something as in >> from Powerboat? Yes. >> A resolution? >> What is this? >> It was No, >> where is it? Where is >> I don't know who it was submitted to, but it was sent to me and it relates to management under docks. Uh no cost to the city. uh it does not include the same um programming type activity that this particular contract includes but it addresses management of the ducks. Do you have anything to weigh in on that? Um if this is not origin I agree that we should look at other options and then table and then look at other options and table this right now. >> Yeah we can there is there is a need to come to some resolution on this early January or mid January. Um last year we didn't resolve and I think until January
36. 42:1425th um but there are some grants that uh the school club would like to apply for one of which has a deadline in mid January. So yes it does have to be addressed in by mid January but I do think since this other information came to light that we should be looking at it. I just don't understand why >> yeah why this other group that wants you know to compete in a way with sloop club why they did not bring this resolution why they didn't bring the information to the council why you >> received it and not any of us you know it's it's like strange to me >> I received it from a member of the car so I guess we should go you can vote now sorry they don't address to anybody address to you. >> Well, I've been spoken to today and I was told essentially the same thing and I was told that a resolution was presented to the president last year. >> That's true. >> That's true.
37. 43:15>> Last year. >> Last year. Right. >> Okay. And and and was it I don't remember it being presented to us. >> This was it was presented by a member of the power association, but that's not the procedure for putting it. excuse me, resolution before us. There was already the resolution and it just didn't follow procedure because the mayor hadn't called for a new um open bidding on the on the u management of the >> Was there a call this year for open bidding? >> No. But if we have an entity that's interested in presenting services to the city try explain it's not the procedure I know >> the procedure appears to be that things get submitted by the procedure never going >> no it's not quite the procedure seems to be that you want to delay everything till next January uh in your recent guise as Mitch
38. 44:17McConnell but that's not how it looks that we're going to be a tight schedule now for the new council to pass if because sloop needs that right and then then what happens >> then what happens if there is this doesn't pass in time for that >> January last year this is not a major the begin until sometime >> so yes there is an application >> once again require mayor the existing or the incoming >> to open the bidding process that has not been done by either by >> I wish that the party that is interested to just give us a presentation if there is something tell us what they want they may not even want that I don't >> okay I may um if if the sloop club who's been
39. 45:20providing programming and been providing adequate service to the city is hindered by us delaying this which there is a possibility >> a 14th deadline. Yes, >> the 14th deadline and if we procedurally have to open it up to there's no way we're going to meet that dead. >> Well, can we ask can we ask him I mean do you think the delay would really cause a problem? Yeah, I mean absolutely the planning takes a while and uh we provide a lot of programming and it's uh funded through grants and all sorts of activities >> and um >> truthfully I've had a number of conversations with our council members about this recently and I think the planning should have already you know this should be a a fall issue. >> Um like I already think we're too late. Um it has been it is true that the process goes through the mayor's office and so that's the process we've been doing um for the last five years. Um it is definitely possible that that process could be modified. Um uh there have been
40. 46:22years when there have been an open call for proposals and there's a timeline put on that. My recommendation will be this is a one-year agreement and u many cities actually do like three or five year agreements uh specifically so that um entities who are doing this can plan um and uh I welcome an open process but I do think uh delaying this makes next season much more difficult. >> Yeah. and we've had that conversation. >> Yeah. >> So there there is just one amendment which you and I discussed in last year's agreement. uh what the I think with the fourth round uh specifically she indicated maybe the third um the the uh common council of the city as far as to enter into the agreement um to allow for Hudson's Loot Club uh to uh in to dock boats etc and provide river recreation programing for residents and visitors to the city and I would like to that language for some reason is here was omitted and I would like to see that put in again because that is the purpose of
41. 47:25what you do and I think belongs in the preamble. >> Make that amendment. >> Yes. >> Um >> motion to motion. >> Yeah. Motion to uh add that to the >> motion. I just you just introduced him. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Second Ry. Okay. Let's vote on the resolution itself. Absolutely. >> Yes. Hi, Henry Hadad. First W 605 Warren Street. I submitted that to Tom last year. Uh this was voted on in I believe it was March of last year was when this agreement took place and you voted on it last year. So this is December. I understand that. Um, but in a fair and equal process, this should have gone out by the council president or the mayor. And obviously that hasn't happened. At the 11th hour through the
42. 48:30Hudson, we heard about this uh two days before the deadline. So I threw a resolution together and gave it to Tom. Obviously, he never disseminated that to the sitting council now. And >> it was for it was for back then. It wasn't for now. It was for them but at that time no one here saw it. Is that correct? Correct. >> True. So >> that's not I can answer. >> You didn't do it properly. That was >> fair enough. >> Okay. >> Fair enough. But if you don't give it to the public, then how could there be a fair and equal process? If it hasn't gone to legal, this is a contract. If it hasn't gone to finance, this is yet a contract. >> This has not to our terms. >> Okay. And if it hasn't been publicly offered appropriately, then how could you appro approve and approach a new year without making it a fair and equal process? The power the PowerPoint association sees the demand on the river. We see the good programming that the Sloop Club
43. 49:32does. This is not to take away from anything the Sloop Club is doing for their programming at the waterfront. And yes, our resolution was not done and not brought before the council yet. And my my apologies because we were under the assumption this would be in March again and the due process would have been done January, February voted on in March as the last year and consecutive contracts have been executed. So our lawyer has our resolution in the works for January 1st. And I'm so sorry that is not done yet. But I do believe since what our resolution holds, of course, you can only take it at face value and my word right now. It is zero expense to the city. It is the proper management and recreational use of those docks which are underutilized. I personally take the reservations for our club. We have 80 boats minimum the season. I take the extra reservations
44. 50:35that can't get to the city docs. I I say, "Please call the Slooh Club." If they can't get one, they come to us. That's just revenue that could be in the city's pocket. We would just like to manage that. We're not taking the Slooh Club away. They run good programming for the Wednesdays, which is a 48 hour overnight dockage, which is free. But the other part of the time, it's a for-profit business. We would just like the opportunity to give you our expertise and do this for free to the city. >> Thank you. >> Sure. >> Can we have a motion to table? >> Second. >> Second. All those in favor of table. I >> I was against >> No, I said I
45. 51:40have the table. >> Okay. So the table burns salut >> well I mean not to take anything from the soup club the job they they done right and if the contract that was signed last year was in March by doing it this year >> was it in March I think it was January >> January so so in if it's tight like this but I do agree that if we can make it happen for the sloop club and make it fair for the boat club. >> Yes. >> In January. I I think that the >> it's unfortunate that both have to go through this at the 11th hour. Right. It it really is. I think Sam said the same thing that this should have been done four or five months ago, right? So, >> we're trying to solve problems, right?
46. 52:42And I, you know, I I agree that we should table it and do our best to make it a priority for January that no one gets harmed in terms of any kind of funding. >> Is that I >> Yes, I I'm sorry. >> Mean I Morris Hagen >> as as this process is obviously flawed. uh uh a community organization, an association that's been around for years had expressed interest in getting involved and they were not um access to this and that is a prerogative of the mayor, I guess. Um but I do believe that time is of the essence and um I'm going to vote no. >> Roberts No. Brownie.
47. 53:52Um. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think this whole thing is good. We should table it and look at it and give both of them a chance and see now. So we should table it and >> prioritize. >> Prioritize. Yeah. >> Okay. That's I would say stable whatever. Yes. >> Are you ready or no? It is. Okay. Moving right along. Um uh resolution number four. This is a resolution for carpent associates ABA compliance improvement district.
48. 54:57>> Council member B. Hi >> Mory. >> Hi >> Ma. >> Hi >> Morris. >> Hi. >> Hi >> Roberts. >> Hi >> Brownie. >> Hi. >> Hi >> President Trump. Hi. Uh, next resolution supports the um state strong packaging reduction and recycling enbur is getting addressed. uh United States is one of the top 10 uh waste production in the world and uh we uh only 78% of our uh plastic gets um in most the recycling and uh compared with Sweden which is number one uh only has 1% is really uh outrageous and uh I think
49. 56:03there are also um things we can do uh now that Christmas everybody buys from Amazon which is the third leading cause of packaging uh waste in in the United States. Um there are options you can do so you don't have to package you can do factory packaging and other you don't need the extra packaging. So um I just want to say that I'm very happy with that. Hi. >> Thank you Vicki because I was going to mention because I already subscribed to their um use of their recycle and their repackaging. So it's good to get that out that is another one but uh yes I >> number one is for three is also >> hi Morris. >> Hi >> Robert. Hi >> Ronnie. >> Hi. >> Hi Lola. >> Um and this is thanks to Josh Col. >> President DPR.
50. 57:09>> Um yes actually thanks to Rebecca Wolf for mentioning it. Josh and I vote. >> The next resolution is for the job control services for vote. >> Council member Bel. >> I um do we um get reports? Is there any way we can try to get our reports back? Uh so that there's a report from him uh that we need to get. So it would be very helpful in terms of >> so uh I mean I I agree I agree but just if we can enforce that agree >> hi >> Morris Hagen >> hi President DPR. >> I carried.
51. 58:11>> The next resolution authorizes purchase and sale agreement of license with highway. >> No, it's the one about >> Okay. Okay. >> This is new. >> No. >> Oh, sorry. Sorry. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Council member. >> Hi. >> Best. >> Hi. >> Moranti. Hi >> Leon. Hi >> Morris. >> Hi Ern. >> Hi >> Roberts. >> Hi >> Ron. >> Hi >> Sar. >> Hi Volo. >> Hi. >> President. >> The next resolution about new department transfers. We have an introduction in second place. And >> can we have a discussion of this?
52. 59:18>> So um this transfer if you want to pull it up right there. Uh during the BEA process, um the youth department budget listed eight full-time positions, two of which were vacant. Um there were in fact at that time seven full-time employees and Calvin and I have talked about this. There were in fact seven full-time employees of the job department at that time. Um once the budget was presented to the council procedurally we could not increase anything in the budget. Uh so this individual who is a city employee uh there was no financing in the budget to finance that person's position what we have in front of us. Um and at that time the BEA made a decision to do a uh citywide hiring fees. No vacant positions were to be filled. All non-union employees were not to receive
53. 1:00:21a raise which they have received in the past. A lot of very difficult decisions were made, one of which was a hiring phase. The resolution we have, the transfer we have in front of us uh puts funding back into a position that is currently vacant while other departments are dealing with a hiring freeze. And I think that yes, the appropriate thing to do is to ensure that the individual who is currently employed in the city that funding be transferred to ensure that that position continues to be funded. But I do not think that the position that is currently vacant should simply be funded without reooking at what the rules are with regard to that hiring freeze is in effect across the city. So I my recommendation is that we modify this to fund the position that is current for the individual who is currently a city employee but that we do not put a transfer in to fund a position that is currently vacant during a hiring for
54. 1:01:23>> question. Um okay first of all uh we received a memo from the mayor saying that we cannot have any more hires and if there is a new hire we have to it has to be approved and with a letter from the mayor so it should be a letter for this that's procedurally that's what I think we should do >> well if you sign >> yeah so the second thing is I want to ask uh Calvin you've been doing the assistant and director now for the last 3 months and you're doing a wonderful job. Would it be possible to just um you know continue doing this until beginning of the summer and then see where you stand in order to start thinking about hiring or you know hire the assistant director. Would that be possible to do it a few more months which you can save the city a good amount of money at the same time uh you know instead of expediting the
55. 1:02:26procedure and finding the assistant you just you know be able to do it. >> Um yeah um given you know we could assure that we would revisiting an assistant director. >> Yeah. Absolutely. I I think that's >> and and the and the other thing Calvin is as we look at this we we have to address increasing revenues and reook we need to keep very close look on our revenues in the next few months and that will help us address this but I think if we can postpone this but certainly if if it is going to go through has to go through the procedure that that Vicki had just outlined but um absolutely the individual who is currently Obviously employee transfers need to be made to ensure that that person's position is funded because that was just an error and unfortunately you did not get a chance to review the BEA's budget before it came to the council. So you would
56. 1:03:28have caught that at that time if that had happened. >> What would that amount be? It was just the one um >> it's it's about 50,000. It's about 50 >> the detail. Yeah, the detail the the salaries are almost identical to fill in. >> Thank you very much. >> So, no, how about we start with the motion to amend the resolution to 50,000 and >> hold on a second. >> Yeah, let's change the resolution first. That seems to be the >> Well, before we change the resolution, my my question >> I I didn't finish talking. I started talking to Calbert, but I didn't really finish everything. So, first of all, I want to say that you're doing a superb job because you're doing two jobs in one person and we haven't really um addressed that you were able to transfer the the change was transferred very smoothly and you also were able to um you got rid of having to rent the church which is really saves us more money. So you have done an amazing job and I'm
57. 1:04:32just saying since there was a misunderstanding and the whole BA did not catch this or it wasn't presented by you I don't know I don't want to blame anyone but if we can extend this work you do a few more months until you know beginning of the summer and then then you can find you know by then hopefully you can have somebody and you can amen the general fund so you can get I can. >> Yeah. Thank you. So, um f first thing is is Heather on the line? >> Yes. >> Okay. I I do have a question for Heather, but first thing is that we should first and foremost is gifted position, which is a union position. I believe it's a recendant. Whatever position was taken out, we need to put that title and everything back in. But I want to get Heather's input on this on what it looks like, how much it is, and where it's going to come from. And we need to make sure you know this employee
58. 1:05:38uh you know goes home today with the knowing that this holiday is going to be fine, right? Um and I think but on our side right you know it needs to be acknowledged that this council did not create this and Calvin Calvin's you know doing a great job but he did not have an opportunity to catch this. So, we're we're trying to fix this uh mistake and I think it's very important that we go and do it appropriately and in the guidelines of bringing the title back that was deleted at the position and at the at the salary that is is that he's currently getting. >> Yeah. I mean, we're not cutting anyone's position. a total mishap from a lot of different parties. But again, the thing is the outcome and I don't really think somebody said it would be devastating consequences if that I think Calvin is holding the fort here and it's doing an incredible job. So I this devastating situations I I don't see them. So I mean
59. 1:06:41I'm just saying for a few more months. >> Well, he also has good support staff which is also helping Calvin too, right? He's got some good support staff behind him, right? And I think that, you know, to to make sure that staff stays together, uh, is is one thing we if we can do, we should make it. Um >> I think Gary had his >> but Gary's on the council >> um Nick Savos former director of the youth department and um I think Calvin is doing the absolutely right thing and deferring to the council and being diplomatic as a former director of the youth department um and the person who created the assistant director position um I would say that I think it's very dangerous to put child in a position where he goes into planning for summer camp when he's going to be in charge of hundreds of youth and a um has a full-time staff that essentially doesn't have a true supervisory role. He'll have wreck attendants, full-time recendants.
60. 1:07:46He will be hiring and then supervising over 50 staff for the summer, lifeguards, junior recendants, wreck attendants, part-time people. and he will not have another supervisory person helping him in that role. And if the council thinks they can get the whole thing together and then if he feels like he needs it as summer camp is coming can go through the whole process which is the civil service process I remind you of bringing on an assistant director in time to onboard them and then run that summer camp which is what the assistant director does. the assistant director manages that huge entire very young staff that's in charge of all those kids on the beach, in the water, and everywhere else. Um, I think that's a lot for the common council to take on. And I think that this position needs to be funded. I think it was wrong for the assistant director position to be taken out of this budget. And I think that it needs to be put back in. Just because Calvin has stepped up into that role and
61. 1:08:49the position with Bacon doesn't mean you cut it. If you put both of these positions back in as this resolution says, I think the hiring freeze is still on. Whether this mayor's signature counts or whether the next mayor has to approve an actual hire, I think is what would happen. And there's not going to be a hiring that could happen before January. The next mayor gets to approve that hire, has to approve that hire. I think that's how it should happen. But I think at least Calvin without an assistant director right now without the funding to do that and at the at the whims of the council and whether the council can help him put that together by summer I think is dangerous for the summer camp and for the youth. So, I don't know. Right now, we're left with the current uh director saying he can do it for a few more months and then the past director saying you have to do it now. >> It's there is um
62. 1:09:52if there was no assistant hired, can you do both? Can you do the summer program? >> I can do my job without a doubt. It wouldn't be helpful >> to have someone helpful or necessary. >> Yeah. Think one at a time. >> Yeah. I in an ideal world the responsibility camp would be conducted by our assistant director. >> Well, I'm not I'm sorry. I'm not finished. So, you have a lot of kids swimming and everything. We have people who are assigned to it, but you would if you if we do not have a person in that position, you would be the supervisor. >> Indeed. >> No, so I'm I'm just trying to process all this. >> Um, so I'm not sure, you know, because I'm worried about those case. Um, so let's say we need somebody in there
63. 1:10:55how and and it someone said it's a civil servant position and they need to be trained by you. So when does this person should come on board? Um I would say by by spring provided you know camp takes place in um August or excuse me July should be by April May. May >> yeah by I would say by May. Yeah. >> That's exactly what I said before. So >> I think it should be May. >> So I one second Jennifer again. >> Okay. Um when do you usually start planning for summer. Sure. >> Yeah. Um about uh April. >> April. >> Yeah. >> And when do the civil service tests take place? >> That we have no influence on. >> Right. But do you know what the schedule for that is? So that we have a goal to meet. We have a goal to meet financially so that we can >> assist.
64. 1:11:58Okay. Does anybody else know? >> Well, well, it's it's it could be provisional, right? It's accessible position, but it can be provisional and and it's already established in a civil service system. My my thing is that I think that we should prioritize this in Janu January and while we going to be a little bit more see what our finances look like and with sale done right, it allows us to have a little flexibility financially, but we definitely need to because there is a there's a prep period. So I think if we could address this no no later than than the February meeting. So we put this in place, we get all all the ducks in a row and so Calvin has enough time to do the process, right? Because the process would be, you know, you know, interviewing or whatever, right? So I think that financially we need to make sure that we have something to put into this. I think right now we're not we're not in it, right? We're going to have to go and take both these positions and take it out of the general fund again. Right.
65. 1:13:01Sure. And I think that with the again we're talking about a sale of of the done building. It's going to give us infusion of revenue. We're being more financial. It will be more of an opportunity for us to be the more sound financially and I but again this 11 hour stuff concerns me because we don't want to make a a mistake and we want to make sure January this is prioritized. you know, we definitely and I'll make sure that's in general because it is very important that that you know that the system director is in place, you know, um if that's the he acts as camp director for the department of health that we talk about position. >> Yes, he or she. >> Yeah. Well, >> sorry about >> Yes. >> Um does that mean you support financing the other position tonight? >> No. >> No. No. Yes. to bring back the to bring back the title of wreck attendant free. >> Yes. >> Yes. Okay. >> Right. Because we need to we need to write that wrong. >> I just that's a union position
66. 1:14:04>> and you know we need to write that wrong and again that's going to take a little bit of chunk and again give us some breathing room for next year. >> Thank you Margaret. >> Yeah. So as we look at this Calvin and you might have talked about this when we go through in the spring as we relook at the assistant director situation there is a process for essential positions there is a hiring fee but there is a process for essential positions subject to merit approval and so forth which alluded to but so that's the process that we need to touch but in terms of the resolution itself it currently says the youth department uh in the Berkeley admitted funds for two existing personal lines. I think that should read inadvertently admitted funds for one >> existing positions. >> No, it's not exist. These are existing positions. A second they're not necessarily filled. I want to let me change the language. >> Omitted funds for one existing and occupied position. Yes. >> Because that's critical. This is currently a city employee. Right. And so
67. 1:15:07therefore, and in terms of the actual dollar amount, I think we just we can put in an estimate of 50,000, but that needs to go back to Heather for the actual dollar amount because she has the salaries and it and it also has to flow into all of the benefits and everything else. >> I think we also should put because of the important and necessity union position, right? Because that also adds >> I don't think we need to get let's keep it simple. to make sure that the existing build position is getting funded and we're done. >> So those Can I get a motion to change the resolution? My market just stand. >> What's the title pattern? >> The title position that that was deleted that that >> the reputend position. >> Yeah. >> Uh it's a recendant uh I believe >> three, right? >> Three. Yeah. >> Yeah. Let's put that in there. >> Okay. So emitted funds for one rectang position which is currently occupied >> and then then we're done and then Heather can come up with the exact dollar. >> Can I get a motion and a I mean an injection a second to add that
68. 1:16:11resolution Jennifer and Dan. All those in favor sign I >> Okay. Now we'll vote on the revised resolution. >> Are we doing a dollar amount not to exceed? No, we let's just put it out just in 52,000 and have it figure out >> Heather Heather's on >> but you can't ask her on the line to come up with the exact dollar amount >> council member. >> Hi, Jess. >> Hi, Moranti. >> Hi. Hi. And I hope the employee goes home with a little less stress. Hi >> Mison. >> Hi >> Morris. >> Hi Kagen. >> Hi >> Robert. >> Hi >> Ronnie. >> Hi >> Sar. >> Hi >> Bola. >> Hi >> President DP Trump. >> Hi. And I'm really counting on Dominic
69. 1:17:14to put it forward in January. That's a promise. >> Well cabin roll. Okay. Moving right along. Another budget amendment to increase capitalization in cemeter. >> Council member Belin. Hi >> Descaluti. >> Hi >> Moranti. >> Hi >> Ma. >> Hi >> Morris. >> Hi >> Roberts. >> Hi. >> Is there a mistake on here? Are they both increases? Wouldn't there be one increase, one decrease? >> They're both Oh, >> it's a fun one.
70. 1:18:16>> No, the second line is the where it's coming from. >> Yeah, >> it's increase line where it's coming from. language. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> President DP. >> Hi. >> Next resolution is a budget amendment to increase attorney fees in the general fund. >> Can I ask a question here >> on this? >> I need an introduction. Second first. >> Oh, okay. I know. >> Introduction. Second. And >> no, please. Yeah. >> So why do we constantly you wonder why the general fund is down? Every other month we have to increase the the fund for the balance for money to the attorney fees. What is this attorney fee now? And can we is it future money or we we have to pay them is it for services that they're done. I got it for this year. >> You're there. I think it's 252.
71. 1:19:22>> Sorry, are you talking to me? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Um I would say that approximately half of that is for work that has already been conducted and the other half or a little more than half is a estimate of what the December account will be. The uh clerk's office provided me with the invoices that they had been provided through November and I made an estimate for December. >> And Vicki, I just looked at the bills, the legal bills, but some of this relates to litigation. >> So what what are what are you think is that the litigation? Is that for the delinquent taxes? What is this 35,000? Do you know? >> It's I I don't know. I have no control over that budget. I have no insight or oversight over the invoices or the attorneys and how they are engaged. I will note however though there has been litigation uh there has been litigation in terms of uh assessments and values and you've approved costs associated with that. There's also been um if it
72. 1:20:27obviously you just approved the csea contract so uh legal negotiations would be part of that. I'm not sure when you did the HPD one, but if it was in this year, that would have added to that cost as well. Um, >> yeah. Well, not this year. >> Is it how about the common house? >> There is an article 78 in the bills today. There's a substantial amount of money in article 78ish. >> So, this is this is where it that was. >> Yeah. I think for the next council is we have to keep track of the legal fees. Yes, >> somebody has to do that. Who can do that? >> Labor or finance? >> Finance. >> Finest needs. I mean, >> have to be too. >> Huh? >> Council member Belton. Hi. Hi. Morenzi. Hi. M. Hi.
73. 1:21:32Morris. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Roberts. >> Hi. >> Hi Farmer. >> Hi Lola. >> Hi. >> President DH. >> The next is a budget transfer of introduction of second. I roll. >> Council member Bel. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Moranti. >> Hi. >> Hi. Nora. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Robert. >> Hi. >> Hi. Star. >> Hi. >> Ba. Hi, >> President Trump. >> Hi. >> The next is a contract for Conga. Can I move? >> I'll volunteer once. Yes.
74. 1:22:36Is that really like trying? >> Um, any questions? >> I have a question. There you go. >> Um, so if a dog is picked up in Hudson and delivered to them, um, 10 days time we're going to owe a,000 bucks. >> I actually mean there's a formula. I'm just wondering, do we know how much we spent last year? Heather >> here and I do not know the answer to that. >> I thought we were going to put something back to cover that money. >> Yeah, we should the fee schedule which we will be voting on in January. >> We have a fee schedule ready to go where all of those monies are going to come from our owner has to cover that place. >> Yeah. If we find the dog. >> Well, well, we don't it gets
75. 1:23:39surrendered. >> No, our backup plan is that the dog goes home with you. >> You think they're >> Don't t me. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Council member Felton. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi M. >> Hi Morris. >> Hi. >> Hi >> Robert. >> Hi >> Ronnie. >> Hi >> Barbara. >> Hi >> DPHR. >> Hi >> Barry. The >> next resolution is a DPW transfers. Can I have an introduction? A second, please. Unless there's questions below.
76. 1:24:52>> Hi Sar. >> Hi Hi, >> President D. Petra. >> Hi. >> And the fire department. I have an introduction. Second, please. And >> council member Fountain. >> Hi. >> Best. >> Hi. >> Morante. >> Hi. >> Mazan. >> Hi. >> Morris. >> Hi. >> Ern. >> Hi. >> Roberts. >> Hi. >> Ron. >> Hi. Hi, >> Mola. >> Hi, >> President DP Trump. >> Hi, Bar. >> The next three resolutions of recall were all decided or I shouldn't say decided, were all discussed in executive session. And this is how the council wanted to move forward. Can I have an introduction, a second on the first settlement question?
77. 1:26:08Hi. Hi Moranti. Hi M. Hi Morris. Hi Her hi >> Roberts. >> Hi. >> Hi Farmer. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> President Petro. >> Hi. >> And the next one is also a public initiative foundation article settlement. Can I have an instruction? A second please. on. >> Any questions? >> Council member Belton. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Moranti. >> Hi Ma. >> Hi Morris. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Robert. >> Hi Ro. >> Hi. >> Hi. Po. All right. And the next one and
78. 1:27:13hopefully the last one in our time introduction of second place. >> Hi >> Dudy. >> Hi >> Mari. >> Hi >> M. >> Hi >> Morris. >> Hi >> Bernh. Hi >> Robert. >> Hi >> Brownie. >> Hi >> Sar. >> Hi >> Lolo. >> Hi >> President DP. >> Hi >> Carrie. >> Okay. Um there's two last uh items. I think we'll do the bills first and then we have to go into executive session for one thing. Um the guy has a introduction a second to pay >> question. >> Can we do public comment before we go to second session? >> Sure, we can do that. >> Wait, we can do that. >> Why do we have about the belts?
79. 1:28:16>> I'm sorry. >> Uh question about the belts. >> Why we have two two separate invoices from Bailey Johnson and back uh low firms? the law firm. One is for $2338 7,860. >> I assume they cover different months. >> Uh actually Tom, I can I can answer that if that's okay. >> Oh, okay. >> Um one of them comes out of an escrow that was funded by um the developer for Penrose to cover the environmental review work for the council. Um so that's actually not coming out of city funds. The developer did fund that. And the other one is um legal council fees that span two months >> for November and December even. >> I'm sorry. >> You said for two months. >> It's October and November. >> One is legal. >> What? >> Yes. >> October October >> and the other one is the other one is legal that comes out of escrow.
80. 1:29:19>> Okay. >> Thank you. Chris, >> what is Frankber? the uh contractor for the sidewalk work. >> Okay. And then Marshall and Sterling. >> Insurance. >> Insurance. >> Any other questions? Roll call, please. >> Council member Belton. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Morancey. >> Hi. >> M. >> Hi. >> Norris. Hi. >> Hi. >> Roberts. Hi. Ring. >> Hi. Sar >> I >> before we go into executive session general comments from the council and then the public anything council would like to bring up public any public commentary Mr. Foster >> question um about the uh something you just voted on but I didn't ask it ahead of time since but but you
81. 1:30:22said mentioned uh the resolutions that were mostly decided in executive session not decided >> we we cons you know we consulted on them and but this is the act of the city making it now we kind of how would you describe that crystal >> well I was going to There was yes. >> Was there was there heavy um influence on the u legal opinions about the way it proceeded? >> Yes, that's what >> Crystal was not our attorney. We have special assessments and guns. Maybe >> you would have loved it. The the dog was in a hotel. Sorry. >> That's all. Thank you. >> Yes. Um I just had a question on the done proposal. My understanding of the previous round of this was that only lease deals were an option because there was waterfront property that could not
82. 1:31:25be sold by the city. And I just want to understand what had changed or like why switch from like a lease to a sale. It's not. Okay. that like was mind you previously saying why you know that was long hours we were trying to get a lease if it would have meant ongoing revenue but it's just it's very hard as everyone attested very hard to fund a project >> are you talking about done here >> yeah so the issue was that the uh banks would not provide funding to a lease without the city postign because the city own it was >> um any other public comment Yes, Lord. Loving and happy. >> He know. Thank you, Tom. Thank you for your glorious and wonderful service. And we're all going to miss you and happy holidays. Merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, and all the appropriate Bengali holidays to everyone and a joyous and delightful new year. And Tom, thank you because you certainly made this exciting.
83. 1:32:27>> You're welcome. >> Yeah, my father has always been made life exciting for you. And are you on the radio Thursday? >> No. >> No. >> I will be in transit. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, no more public comment. We're going to go Can I get a motion to go into the executive session to discuss yet another um we will come back and discuss the resolution regarding the SID budget. on the agenda here. What you guess I proposed budget >> myself into a discussion work.
84. 1:33:44>> Sorry. There's a resolution on >> No, not No, I need to I need I need a vote and approval on the SID budget. I thought I was going to get credit. >> We did >> last special meeting the budget that had to put together. >> That's when we vote on it after the public hearing Monday. >> Sorry guys, I'm seeing Oh, just as communication. >> I've had a hard week on Tuesday. >> While we're doing this, can we pass this around? This is to clarify your vote. lecture results. >> Can we do the session? >> What? >> Can we do the session? >> It's not a debatable thing. It's just the formality. >> Yeah. Certified. >> Okay.
85. 1:34:47Okay.

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