Safety Committee Meeting

1. 0:32say a few words. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> This is 5:30. This is the uh safety meeting uh for the 1st of 2026. and uh like to introduce uh President Comic Council Margaret Morris to have some words. >> Yeah. So um since this is our first meeting of this committee and also the first meeting of any of our committees uh just wanted to lay out a few things um so for the last 30 um the department we're doing our reports to the informal meeting um that will >> thank you >> reports reports will be to the relevant committees in this case um it's safety so it's police and fire. Um, we'll work out a schedule that I'll send to everybody. But right now, since we don't have an informal welcome, we all submitted your reports at the usual time to the full council. Um, I think maybe
2. 1:36it might be best going forward to submit them to the relevant committee. We can talk about that. But the reports that will be reviewed this evening are the ones that you've already submitted that we would have looked at in moment. Um then if there are any issues or discussion there may be things outside of the standard reports that come up and this committee the chair of this committee whoever that is will then bring those issues forward. hear you. >> Excuse me. >> I think can >> I'm sorry. Um so unless there must be some particular issue uh that needs to be addressed. Um we not informal formalions discussion local law. Um I have also left here a copy of the rules of order that we passed um at our
3. 2:39organizational meeting and uh I have a copy here for the public for anyone wants to see them. Basically the same rules apply for the committees as apply for the uh full council meeting with regard to public comment, behavior, demeanor and so forth. So I just brought those this evening and I will leave a a copy posted here for all of the committees so the public can know but they also do get posted uh on the website under rules of order. So any questions? Okay. uh of the people who signed up so far, this is Melvin finalized yet, but right now I have Sar Morante and cousin. Um I'm not anticipating anyone else, but if someone else decides they wish to join within the next couple of weeks that we that'll be okay. Uh I am not assigning people to committees and I am not uh determining who the chair is. Each committee will select its own chair. Uh and that's it. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you.
4. 3:42>> Um for our our meetings are first Monday of the month at 5:30 p.m. Uh next I think we probably should nominate the chair and I think co-chair because there's only four of us here so we probably should have a co-chair just in case. What do you think? Think we should >> run a meeting and Yeah, makes sense. >> Yeah. So any any thoughts? I mean uh the one you have any thoughts? Um I think you are interested in the beginning I saw like now so I think >> I am interested would you be interested >> coaching experience before I think right you ran a committee >> before I did too >> so that's what I'm saying would you be interested to be co-chair then uh you know and have uh Henry as chair a new co-chair because you did run you >> yeah I did start with before the pandemic so yeah >> does that work with everyone is that everybody Are you comfortable with that? >> Yes. >> Yes. Thank you. >> So, um I hand it off to you, Mr. Hadad. >> Thank you.
5. 4:47>> How excited. Thank you for co-chair. Um so, since we had a chair prior to the meeting um being scheduled, there was no agenda scheduled. So if there had been any new business um rather any new old business um it hasn't carried over uh but I believe we could just assume that there is a little new business um and hopefully there are maybe any reports from let's say parking or any updates from any HPD statistic or anything that's your concern I would say is new business for today And same for the fire department of course. Sorry, fire first. Um >> yeah, usually we do fire because fire is quick. >> Yeah, sorry. So yeah, the scheduling of the meeting will be fire presenting fire first and then uh police. So but the
6. 5:51agenda aside, we'll just forego for today. Um, so if there's anything you would like to present from fire, we'd love to hear it. >> Yeah. >> Um, and next month we'll have a proper agenda. >> Yeah, that's fine. You said normally we're in and out of here for too much, but uh since there wasn't one last month, we didn't get a chance to go over the year 2025 total for polls. We had 43 total calls for 2025. Out of those 43, 33 of them were fires. And of those 33 fires, 11 of those were building, strictly building fires. Everything else was, you know, dumpster, cooking, whatever, you know, car, stuff like that. Uh we had uh 13 motor vehicle accidents with injuries, eight motor vehicle verse pedestrian, seven vehicle accidents with without injuries, uh 31 hazardous conditions. does anywhere from, you know, gas steel or stuff like that. But I have 413 uh 256
7. 6:57of those were false alarms, purely flat arms, you know. >> So 50%. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> 52%. >> That that's actually significantly more. >> You know, something everybody has an alarm system now and they get set up very easily. excited. Fortunately, that's the the game we're in now. >> But that's Isn't that kind of where all the money is is every time you guys roll out the door? >> Well, that just started. >> So, that that was something that literally just started this year actually. And the problem is though, a lot of the old reporting system um so we just the just switched from nippers to nearest. So the reporting is now different. >> So it goes to like fire instead of >> Well, it's it's all No, it's all fire, but just in general. So the way we report things. Um and as for the problem is we consider a false alarm somebody
8. 8:03vathing in the bathroom. Well, the smoke detector did its >> job, but we can't charge for that under a false alarm because it did what it's supposed to do. >> It activated for a reason. it activated for a reason. Okay, >> there's very it's very minimal stuff that again, you know, we go to the river mine. I think last year was 15 times. It seems like 15 times a month, but 14 out of those 15, and I'm using round numbers. I don't know the exact, but are somebody's bathing in the downstairs bathroom and setting off the smoke alarm. >> Um, that's not a false alarm when it comes to fire. But I didn't have to >> but but the way the way the city's is policy is written out, you know, the only false alarm is is uh as far as if the detector was bad, malfunctioning, you know what I mean? The county is written differently. The county steam they would off fall under a false alarm. They have theirs is written up
9. 9:05differently. I have to get some literature on it. Uh, I know when they did when the county did theirs because the county does the rest of the rest of the fire alarms are on the county. So when they're how they all get do their alarm system, are they allowed to vape inside the hotel? >> No. >> No. So you're going to do it. >> But the problem is the detector is doing it job. >> No. No. Yeah. I mean my fear is that somebody deactivates the detector, right? Because of >> I mean >> No, I'm saying that that's that's good that it's doing it job. >> Exactly. We've actually spoken to them. We talked about getting it comes down the codes too. You know, you got smoke detectors and you got heat detectors. We had a lot I know we ran into the bra down Saboners. They first opened every time they cook. >> Yeah. >> Set off the alarm. So, we got it. We were able to get it switched to a heat detector. >> And you got the steam ones that set up the steam >> the whole game. You know, >> the steam sets off smoke detectors too. in the bathroom. >> Dominic, is it that we add up something like at the false side of something? >> Yeah. Yeah. That that they're charged if
10. 10:08the system goes off, right? In in terms of their security system. That's right. If the security system goes off, right? >> It's written for fire, too, but it's the way the code is written is pretty specific. And us again being in the bathroom, the alarm system is doing its job. So the way our code is written, like Sean just said, the county when it specifies that stuff is a false alarm. Ours does not. >> And cooking could lead to something more, right? Just because it happens to be cooking, it could lead to something more, right? >> Cooking is legit. That's not false alarm. >> Actually, we got people to be honest with you. >> Any type of cooking that they want to know. So, but uh with that start of the new year already, we're already starting off to a busy start. got 39 calls for the month of January. Three of those were fire, one was a dumpster, one was a cooking, one was a vehicle. Uh seven of those were hazardous carbon monoxide testing. Uh we had one more vehicle
11. 11:11violision and you know 15 stories. Those were small alarms and see no problems. Right again, you know, about half a little under half this month nonsense. >> Isn't enough with the weather? >> Yes. Y >> good. Did you have any problems with the snow? Any any of the like dryers being blocked or anything? >> No. Actually, we didn't have anything for snowstorm. No, not dur during the snow. >> I know. What was that water break? Was that before or after? kindwood. >> No, no, we didn't have I know we didn't have any s >> we have the beautiful part that was Monday morning related stuff. >> How many explorers do you have written down >> right now? No. >> No explorers. We uh we just redid in the policy for those of you that don't know. I mean there's no more explorer program
12. 12:13is now junior firefighters. You're you're 14 and 15 are juniors and 16 and 17 year old with another qualification with uh they're actually the next doors are actually be 14 15 juniors would be 16 17 >> right continue to be active but it's all under the Hudson fire department. >> So it's not through the boy scouts. >> It's not through the boy scouts. We have a policy from the great city, >> right? Uh everything is done from the city of fire, but they're at the end of the day, they're a member of the fireation on 14, >> but they don't have to 14 15s have to get a liability form signed by the parents. They have to be under insurance for their parents. >> Uh and then 16, I believe, we pick them up. At 16, we pick them up. >> And how many juniors do you currently have? >> Juniors? No. >> I have a question. Um, I had reached out and I know my scheduling hasn't allowed for us to meet yet. >> Yeah, we kind of vomit that. >> It's all right. >> But one of the reasons that I picked safety committee is because I'm curious about supporting the fire department in recruitment and I think one of the
13. 13:14bigger recruitment efforts that I remember is when junior firefighters was partnered with the after school program. I was curious if you feel like participation with the school district would help the pipeline of recruitment. we have. So, so the only issue with that back when we were doing it, it was the wrong age bracket. >> They were too young. You know what I mean? We we need to reach those, you know, the working with those, you know, 9 10 year old. We were down in the middle school at the time. It just Yeah, it was great. We got a lot of kids and everything, but it it was the wrong age bracket. They weren't going to be get the opportunity for another two, three, four years of whatever, you know. Uh I don't know what they're doing. We have talked about getting involved with the school in the past. I don't know what they do for after school programs up there. >> Uh, as you know, recruitment is not just a problem here. It's all around doesn't just start with the kids. I mean, even, >> you know, lack of jobs and, you know, affordable housing and stuff that that's hurt us all over the years here, unfortunately. But, you know, kids get out of school, they they move move on.
14. 14:17But, uh, yeah. No, I mean, that that was the only problem like it was a great program. Like I said, it's just the wrong age bracket. You know, we need that 14 to We need that teenager. >> You need the peers. >> Yeah. You know, >> I have a pretty good pulse on some teens. So, I would like to support and making some of those connection. >> Like I said, drill nights are Tuesday nights if there was any interest they need to. The kids can come up. There's somebody there Tuesday night. They can come right in. They're going to be let right in Tuesday night six o'clock. Somebody's always there. Uh that's the best time to catch everybody and actually see what's going on. So, okay. Maybe well maybe we'll also bring this up at the services and tap in with Calvin to see if Calvin can do something to bring in we we've done some things down here in the past too. >> Okay. >> Yeah. It's it's it's a shame. You're right. It's all over the place. I mean it's >> Yeah. It's everywhere. It's it's not just awesome. It's it's it's countywide. It's statewide. It's it's everybody's heard. You know what I mean? I do think
15. 15:19it'd be important for maybe maybe not this month, but um if next month there's some type of synopsis that you can give to us to present to the full council about like the lack of recruitment or um retention and how that's impacted. I know we have like the shared services or like other counties will come or other cities will come in and support when there's a big fire or you're deployed other places. So, we would love to share some of that information back to just put in full picture of what's happening right now. Sure. >> Do you think also that Devon because it's been kind of a you know family thing you know growing up that fathers sons and everything you think there's a gap between that heritage and like legacy? I don't think there's a gap because it was always even if those of us that came up through which one one of them you know Nick's come up through it wasn't just family it was you know friends of the family too you know what I mean for that that's where the school came into play >> right >> you were in school got your friends involved that's kind of our junior program is what
16. 16:22>> has brought us to where we are today you know it's you know it's it's always the junior program is what kept us alive >> it always has you know and it was always the kids coming three guys. >> We It was never more of getting guys people off the street, you know. I mean, it was always the kids, you know, on a Japanese program. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Thank you, sir. >> Well, maybe another conversation with the superintendent wouldn't hurt in the future. >> Um, well, thank you very much. No problem. >> Uh, if there's anything else you have to report, >> I think the only we have just based on the new stuff with resolutions, we're just going to have a transfer of funds from 2025. um to cover a bill for radio >> and I'll I'll forward that. >> Is that coming from here now or we >> just have I believe so. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> President. >> So um with regard to resolutions um the informal meeting is the formal is the fourth >> and the informal is the Monday prior.
17. 17:26That way you take care of problems where it's only um all resolutions will need to go to the informal um and then if there's any discussions that occur will occur and then they will be voted on in the formal I like to avoid having uh emergency meetings or special meetings and so forth. So the time stamp for January that is bringing that to the informal towards the end of this month. Does that work for you? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So the the informal is on a Monday >> 17. >> Yes, it's on a Monday. Well, it's always on a Monday. It's not always on Saturday. >> Right. Right. >> The informal is on a Monday. So the deadline for getting claims due to the illegal is going to be close of business the Thursday before every month. And that way the clerks will not have to scramble the everything will be posted for the public and also for the council. Um so that's what I'm going to try to put in place so that we can proceed in an orderly fashion
18. 18:29>> for clarification. You want the resolutions to come to the committees first >> something like this. No need. So something where this committee is working on something and they have come up with something that they want to have a resolution that they want to bring to the council then somebody from this committee presumably the chair would say I want to bring this to the council for review and discussion. So for example when we did the oral of the law when we give the update to the um to the false art that would have run out of this committee and a member of the council from this committee respond to that so that they could then speak intelligently about it to the committee to the council and say this is what this is this is why we're doing it and then everybody understands. So transfers between >> any other questions. >> Thank you,
19. 19:32>> Mr. Chair. We probably should do public comment for fire, right? Because then we don't have to wait. >> You can release fire to whatever that noise was outside. >> Um, thank you very much, Chief. Um, >> any comment or any any council members have any comments for buyer? >> Okay, >> sir. >> Before I ask my question or questions, what is the um what's the policy for public? Is this the public question time or is it public comment time? Is there a certain amount of time? Are there certain amount? >> Uh, we are going to try to limit it to two minutes per person. Um, is that >> comment or question? So, in other words, if I ask a question answered for two minutes, I'm done. Is that right? >> I guess it depends if the question really it's up to the chair conducting the meeting. Um, you >> me um the rules we have for the public for the informal meeting are two
20. 20:34minutes. >> Two minutes of of >> comments your commentary question. >> Okay. But I'll give you >> a question. Yes. >> Right. A question could >> Well, yeah. Five seconds to ask a question and three minutes for it to be answered. >> So, we're going to go as quickly as possible. >> Well, and and afterwards, if there are more, you and I can talk. And being this is the first meeting, we're and we have no agenda planned because these meetings haven't been held for so long. Um, we're going to start the ground a little fresh. wrong phrase there. We're going to try very hard to be ready to go with a good agenda full of all the items that we're going to hear tonight and between now and then. Um so yes, we'll give you as much time. Margaret, please uh speak to that. >> Yes. So um we adopted rules of order at our um organizational meeting. These rules by to the informal, the formal where appropriate to the committee
21. 21:37meetings. Rule number eight, at the discretion of the chair, the floor may be open to comment from non-members of the council on a question, i.e. item before the council or new business at the new business portion of the meeting. Non-members may make one comment of no more than two minutes on any given question and the chair may set a reasonable time limit for such public comments. That's in general. They may decide 10 minutes total. As with C trans council members, non-members must first be recognized by the chair. Any non-member seeking to speak must do so in an orderly fashion and shall not engage in conduct which disrupts, disturbs, or otherwise impedes the orderly conduct of the meeting. If any person continues to engage in disorderly conduct after being warned by the chair to cease such behavior, the chair may order removal of said person from the meeting. That is rule number eight. Uh these rules are posted on the website. This you brought up is about
22. 22:40questions. In general, um it is not advised in public meetings. You can make comments, but if you have a question, it is preferable unless it's a very straightforward question. Um I don't understand uh how how is the uh false alarm defined. That's a simple question to answer from materials that are available to us. Engaging in a debate or hypothetical question or questions of policy that is something where we should say thank you we will look into that we will get back to you. This is not a form for uh long engaged question answer debate. That's not the purpose of public comment and everything is at the discretion of the chairs of whatever committee meeting or council meeting is in process and the rules are posted a copy for the public here. Um I'm going to here for members of the of this. >> Thank you very much.
23. 23:43>> And still have one more question about this and then I'll >> Yeah, sure. >> So up till now uh anybody any member of the public could ask the question of department heads and maybe get an answer maybe not or maybe get a sufficient answer maybe not. Am I allowed to ask a question of department heads or only of the committee or or any member of the public? So, does it matter? >> I don't think it really matters unless it derails from the meaning of the subject at hand. >> So, I ask a question. >> Um, >> this is a safe space a new year. >> Who's got the stock punch? Because that's kind of important. I mean, two minutes. Paul, Bill, you've got the floor right now. >> Okay. >> And you have the discretion of letting me stay talk for 15 minutes, right? >> I have the discretion, >> but right now it's uh 6 minutes to six and I'd like to start police soon. >> So, I've got the stopwatch going.
24. 24:46>> As as many of you already know, I'm kind of obsessed with safety. It's a big concern of mine, especially around Hudson. and glad to see that it's a safety committee whether it actually have any effect on um improving what's what's being ignored in the city we'll see what I would like to see I think and would be helpful the helpful for the committee members of the public police fire maybe on the website on your on your web page for your committee is what safety issues are you focusing on because safety can mean a bunch of things right and it can other department crosswalks enforcement. So there's all sorts of things, but I don't want to come here with questions that aren't going to get answered. I don't think anybody should. >> Sure. I I I don't want to stop you, but I will ask. Is this going to be directed at fire at all? Because if it isn't, I'm going to >> There is something coming up. Yes. >> Could would you maybe do that one first just because I know there was a call as >> just in case. Thank you.
25. 25:49>> That's all I'll say about that. That's what I'd like to see. What I'd also like to see the committee take care of, and this is what I'd like to hear the fire sheep uh uh know about abandoned houses. We have too many abandoned houses in this town. And I understand this is, you know, you say it's code enforcement. You think, well, I would think the fire department would care about getting these abandoned houses fixed up and for code enforcement to force the owners to fix the monkeys. They have fire hazards for that house, for adjacent houses. That's what we'll say about that. Secondly, as well as too many abandoned houses, there are too many out of service fire entrance in this town. I'm sorry. The answer that I got from Rob Perry and from the fire department in the last few years is totally should be totally unacceptable. Basically, it was it's not a problem. There are plenty of fire hydrants. We can always use the next one that's available. There's a fire hydrant in the middle of the 200 block of State Street that has been out of service for at least two years now. I don't know if if the fire hydrant in front of my house is out of service.
26. 26:51Doesn't have this out of service tag on it, but boy, if it were, I'd make a mistake about it about every other day to fire department to DPW. So, that's what I >> Thank you, Bill. Thank you. U appreciate it. Um, we'll see. We'll hopefully be able to address some of those short it's a short list. An update. A website message is is great. It might be better labeled as safety and quality of life because really that's kind of what police in the city of Hudson is. We're dealing with a lot of quality of life issues and we're very lucky for that. Those are our problems now. It's not the problems like 15 quality of life issues too. >> 100%. >> Um so for this part of the meeting um just I want to release fire if they'd like to go. firefighting house. >> Yeah, >> just to comment on that quick though is the as far as the hydrants and
27. 27:53>> yes, >> as much as we'd like to have something done, we don't have the power for that. It's not that falls out of us. It's not that we don't care. It falls out of our power, but we are aware when there's a house vacant or one's displaced or whatever. Same with a hybrid. We are aware when there's hers. We have plans for that. We have plans A, B, C, and D. I can promise you we pull up. It's nothing different than pulling up to a hybrid and it doesn't work when we get there and even though it's in service, you know what I mean? We plan for that. We train for that. We plan for those issues. So, and there's no such thing as a vacant house in our day. You know, you only want we blow up to a fire. >> It's vacant when we say it's vacant. You know what I mean? We don't we don't we don't write anybody off at the end of the day. So that's just that >> if I may just really quickly briefly I know you're interested in big housing and I know you're interested in that there was a law passed that's not really enforced >> which is a difficult >> it hasn't been enforced but it's it's a new year it's a new administration we can't we'll see what's going to happen >> I'm really formatt I've learned some things about the junior firefighters that I haven't seen I might come into
28. 28:57meetings and I really haven't seen that so that's pretty cool >> thank you thank Thank you. >> Uh, thank you, Fire. Uh, >> that was good. >> Yes. Thank you, chief. >> All right. We'll see you guys later. >> Thank you very much. >> Thanks. >> Have a good evening, >> guys. Have a good night. >> Thank you. Thanks for your work. Uh, so that concludes the I guess we should break up these meet um segments of the meetings. That concludes the fire portion of the committee meeting and we'll open the floor to the HPD department. Um, Chief Franklin, uh, do you have anything you'd like to tell us this evening? >> Well, I'm going to I'm going to go over just the reports for December. Sure. Uh, first off, the body alarm and camera reports that was said there were no training needs necessary from that. Um, for the use of force, we had two two reports. It was one incident. It was actually an incident that stemmed from winter walk. Subject had a knife in one of the stores. I think some of you are familiar with that. um ended up finding the the subject down at the high-rise.
29. 30:00He wouldn't drop the knife, came to the door. When the author went down there, they subsequently uh ended up tasing him and then he was brought to the hospital for um a mental health evaluation because he was going through some things. Um unfortunately, he was not hurt. So, that's that's the positive and no one else was hurt. Uh we had 16 arrests for a month. uh 10 emotionally disturbed person falls and zero drug overdoses or suspected drug overdoses. Um forgive us for the reports. They probably will look different moving forward because we move to a new RMS system. So we're working through some some glitches to try to make the reports uh more informative like they used to be. Uh but moving to the new system, we kind of had to work troubleshoot that a little bit. Sure. So they should be uh better moving forward uh with all that information. We had our awards ceremony in December which was good um on the 11th and a lot of folks were recognized in our department and some members of the public um for their service to the
30. 31:02city and our community and residents. Um and that's really it. I was going to let Captain Miller speak about parking. I know we probably have a lot of questions about parking and and what's going on with that. So um >> thanks Chief. Thank you. Appreciate it. And for the future, >> thank you coming right up. >> Uh in I'm more familiar with uh the chief sitting up here with us. >> Yeah, that's what we used to do. Okay. Would you mind >> to fix it up just out? >> Yeah, you guys would be on the one side and we'll change some things for >> next month. Okay. Thanks. Well, congratulations and welcome. Oh, thank you. So, I'm just going to give you the breakdown for parking. Um, just because some of you guys weren't here last year. Thank you. HP real quick here. HPD took over the parking bureau about a little over 6 months ago. So, it hasn't been that long. Um, we took over parking because we felt it needed to be
31. 32:07u better managed and um so that's what we're doing. Um, I'm going to give you some of these stats and then I want to give you the full. We had quarter three and quarter four of last year. So that would be from um July 1st to December 31st. And I'm going to give you just some numbers so you understand um since we taken over parking and not to brag, our department has been doing very well. And I'm going to show that. I know that numbers don't just speak, but I just want to put this in perspective because some people feel that this change is not beneficial and I assure you it's it's this is it's running great. So for December parking um we issued 1,322 tickets. Um paid tickets in December was 1,883. there. We had 13 boots. So, our revenue for December of 2025 was
32. 33:131,00 or 101,41347. What it was for last December 24 before we managed it, it was $83,630. So, since we took over orders three and four, our totals for quarters three and four for 2024 was $555,394. when we took over for quarter three and four. Again, this it's just been a little over six months, $649,25641, which is up 17% and a total of $93,86241. Now, I understand that's just numbers, but it's just we've been managing it very well to make sure everything's flowing. >> Thank you. Now when you said the money though that the 600,000 is that what's issued but not collected or is that
33. 34:15collected? >> This is revenue collected. >> Great. >> Between quarter three and four. >> Wonderful. >> And just quickly I'm going to give just for January we had all our um changes implemented then because everything I just gave you the old system the new system just so you know January we still issued 1,603 tickets. paid was 1,825 for a total revenue of $63,490 and parking tickets. And for January of 25 before we had it, it was $102,266. And for January of this year, revenue was $114,885.17. So again, I I understand that's money, but I just we're managing this very well. Yeah, please. As of today, we did go through all of the backlog appeals, and there are decisions made on all of
34. 35:17those going back to November of 24. >> U folks haven't all received a decision yet, but they we have worked through those so that we are up to date. >> Excellent. Would uh would this every quarter or whenever you have data like this? We have that. >> Yeah, we normally give you guys copies. >> Yeah, because everything's new. >> Yeah. >> But yeah, you would normally have that. Not only that, the public has it, too. It's on We post it out post. So definitely um at the conference we were at this afternoon, T2 Systems was there and they pulled us aside and they said, "Hey, um we don't know who to talk to because we have some outstanding um tickets from it was like a year in the past or prior and they said we don't know who to talk to." >> We talked to T2. >> We get these collected >> too much daily. >> Yeah. So I don't know. Every day we're talking to T2. I took his card, so I'll give it to you. >> Was his name Don? >> I don't know.
35. 36:18>> Was he an older gentleman? >> Oh, he was. Yes. Older gentleman with glasses. >> Okay. >> And yeah, we told him, contact the parking cl. So, >> thank you. >> Okay. >> But anyways, I think over you give us another six months, which will be a total of a year, you'll find that everything will be pretty smooth with the change with the major changes with the systems and all. think the license and the abilities for you guys to boot now is also assisting us because it's more it's quicker for the ton rather than waiting for tow and all that >> right so just uh was that a grant that we got or the LPR system for >> so we just got them in place actually >> the are you talking about the boots I think are you talking to the boots that we do yeah >> yeah I think that does help >> yeah I agree >> we have the we also So HPD officers will go overnight so we're not waiting for a tow company or if a tow company doesn't respond because it's in the middle of the night we're able to do that. >> Great. Great.
36. 37:21>> But then yeah, as Captain Miller was saying, we did have a grant. So we have incar cameras coming that will be installed and I know that there's um they might be passing legislation or whatever to make that required of all police departments now. Um, so we're trying to stay ahead of that as well. >> Thank you. >> So, how many how many kiosks we have now? Thank you. >> So, there are six. >> We still have 10, right? >> We still have 10. Four of which need to be converted. I got an email today that um a tech will be out this Thursday to do a walkthrough with us for the location of the additional 10 kiosks. Um, I have a quote for the conversion and installation of the four that need to be converted to solar. Uh, and then they're going to give us a quote after sometime after the walkthrough of where to locate the additional six. So, >> and I just wanted to mention because I forgot the total cash payments we had for January was $50 for the whole city. So, it's something keep in mind it's
37. 38:25it's obsolete. $50 cash. >> Yeah. And when it's all said and done, what was it going to be? 18 a year or something. >> What's that? >> Roughly. Roughly. >> Yeah. I'm >> doing the quick math. I know once it's all laid out and deployed and hopefully tweaked and fine-tuned. Um it definitely it is going to save us on the manpower alone. You were >> Yeah. to collect quarters that grand a year. >> Oh, that's true. >> When you say >> Yeah. Yeah. For January, our cash was $50 for the city. >> Yeah. >> For the whole month. >> That might increase with more kiosk, but Yeah. Okay. Right. Once you get more kiosk, that's takes takes it might increase a little bit. Right. >> Sure. >> I mean, >> I think the the reality is the majority of people are using the contactless payments and Park mobile who already have the app from being down at Amtrak. Um people find that more convenient and
38. 39:28so uh that's what they use. >> We're supposed to put out more sign. So >> yeah, we have more signs coming. It's just a matter of working with DPW to put them up because they've been slammed with the snow emergency snow removal. >> People been asking, "How do I pay? I don't know what to do. I have to pay and stuff like that." Yeah, you got to pay, you know. >> Yeah, we have signs. DW has signs. We actually just got more today as well. It's just a matter of them being able to put them off. >> Yeah. A lot of people didn't realize like each week you'd have two people going out collecting quarters all day, right? >> So, they couldn't do they couldn't enforce tickets and collect quarters, but you were losing out on revenue. >> Well, I think once people realize that the the parking is movable for your vehicle because it's on your license plate. So, you're not locked down in one spot, right? For those two hours, you can move from spot to spot. It goes with you, right? Right. So I I mean that's a benefit for people, right? Because they can park and do something in front of
39. 40:30CVS and then say, "I want to go down street and not worry about paying again as long as they're within those, you know, minutes." Yeah. Right. >> Maybe that's something that can be presented at council just like general information that people are missing. some of the benefits of >> there are things that's >> questions that you're hearing from the public that maybe we don't hear like we can formulate some kind of Q&A to for the council to >> it would make sense just to let's just go ahead and do that for next month please okay >> we'll spend a little bit of time and we'll put it on the website and say if you have any questions we we've done any really done it but yeah still people >> like wondering like you know they have to pay they don't see no meter So they're like I mean what's that is free or something? I don't know free. You got >> for handicappers? >> Yeah handic all handicap is free. If you have a longterm lot you still have to if you get to the longterm you have to pay >> enforcement. That is a feedback from enforcement is that they've been noticing more handicap um tags being home. Um
40. 41:34>> obviously not in handicap spaces because now it's free no matter where. So >> yeah. >> Yeah, that was a >> an issue that some people treat ethics differently. >> So I mean the benefit there is that it allows universal parking for people with disability. So they're not looking for that one spot, right? So it allows them to park somewhere closer to where they're going without having to park in a special spot and then walking half block. And again, it it also allows it movable, right? So someone who might need a wheelchair can park in the blue, but someone who might just need it for another reason does doesn't necessarily have to park in the blue, right? So it allows the flexibility of universal parking. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Great. Well, thank you. Is there anything else, Chief? >> No, that's it. That's all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you, Captain Miller. Thank you, Chief. >> Thank you. >> Um any questions from the committee? Probably not because we're firing away. Any questions from the audience, please?
41. 42:39>> Um, I was interested >> address your name. >> Your name, please. >> Um, I was interested to hear I actually haven't your name. >> Oh, Diana. I love >> Thanks. Um, I was interested to hear the bits and pieces of of that thing about how you sign up for it or, you know, you like click into it, but then you can like move around town and it kind of like goes with you because I myself have not uh used the system. I've just been like basically avoiding >> parking on the side streets. >> What's that? >> Parking on the side streets. That's what I've been doing. >> Yeah. >> I had to pay for Exactly. >> Yeah. Um, and so I had this like mental model that had a lot of question marks in it. Sure. And there I do have a question about where the data is going. So as you guys are kind of collecting together and are going to present more of a model to the public which you guys were just talking about. If you could explain like where this data like is it like what is the
42. 43:43company and what data base is it going into and where does that like what where can we assume that that data about the fact that somebody is parked for two hours in Hudson is actually being reported. You know what I mean? Because there's a whole question of like sanctuary city issues and like non-ooperation with like different authorities and stuff like that. And I just want to understand how this like >> a a system that was putting pieces of metal into a meter and you're sitting right there and there's like no data being collected is now >> there is still data being collected. I'm sorry. I don't want to interrupt you, but that we that data has been being collected on anyone violating a ticket for years because we're getting scanned by that little box that and it prints out the ticket, takes a picture of our registration and our license plate. So you're It does because they give you a ticket. So they're scanning your card to put that ticket with your license plate. So >> for it, but if you
43. 44:44>> Yeah, correct. >> And you're not being scanned. >> That's a great point. >> So the moment you when you get a ticket, it goes into a database that we house that as the cloud essentially and through the third party company that we have a contract with. Yeah. Um and they automatically run information through DMV. based on your license plate. >> Okay. But even if you purchase like you know whatever small segment of time you're using your license plate, right? But we don't none of that additional data is collected unless you got a ticket. If you were given a ticket, then that's when there would be a lookup through DMV. Can I ask the clarifying question because there were recent like nationwide reports around just like when you get the app you have to put your license plate number in. Yeah. Whether you got a ticket or not now they have your license plate number stored. The question is is something like Axion having access to that regular day-to-day data based on the contract because of
44. 45:48the concern around us being a sanctuary city. folks are parking on the street, they want to know that they're protected. That that's I think that's more of the question. >> That's the question. Yeah. Is that there's there's kind of an extra overlay beyond the way that ticketing was handled if you were in violation with a coin. Like now you've got like anytime you're paying for parking, there's like a data collection. >> That makes perfect sense. um >> further into that but I believe there are protective rights built into contracts >> there usually destruction of data after a certain amount of months I remember in the past >> right so we have to look into that >> too they seem they love our money they'll answer the question >> they do yes >> okay >> yeah and I would suggest if anybody feels that way strongly just there is plenty of free parking here honestly it's not just >> paid parking is not the only option here at the city. They feel I'm just saying if they feel a certain way, >> there's plenty of other parking. >> I mean, I can tell you from from our
45. 46:49perspective and the city's perspective, the reason we went electronic for data purposes is for revenue, for tickets, that sort of thing, not not the broader picture of what what everybody's concerned about right now. But I understand that that is a real concern for everyone. >> Yeah, I can hear I'm not going to do it. I'm just like one sentence. I can hear that like I don't know all the details but obviously the revenue has improved and that was like you know people in the room were happy about that. You know what I mean? I understand that but there's just a tension because like none of us really like controls all these systems and we're having to like employ these systems that we don't always know exactly how they work or what the implications are. I can say we haven't had anything like that at this point like usage of plates or anything like that. I can tell you I can tell you that for sure. >> Thank you. Um any other questions? >> Bill, >> I only gave you three minutes last time, Bill. >> Well, keep keep it up there. Um I just
46. 47:54um have a question for the police representatives here. Does HPD ever issue overnight alternate side parking tickets when the DPW street sweeper or snow plows are not out on the streets in the morning? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> of course. But it's not one or the other. That's I don't know. Isn't that the reason for the the rule? >> No. What's the reason for the rule? It's a it's a safe it's safety. It's all all the concerns. all the cars being parked uniform safety concerns where cars should be left. There's so many different reasons. >> Maybe not a reason for Excuse me. Why is it Why is it done away with in the summertime? If it's a safety issue, why do you do away with it on summer weekends? >> Bill, you'd have to ask the former >> I'm sorry. I'm interrupt. A former commissioner here. Hold on. There's not even >> Wait a second. >> You're going to ruin your opportunity for Thank you >> very much, Claire. Uh, Bill, would you would you agree that it is a rule? >> What's that? And it is, it sounds like
47. 48:58it's a rule, right? >> The alternate side >> but it's not until we change the language on it. >> It's a rule. >> It's still a rule that they're going to understand. And I can tell you that the city of Ithaca has the same rule. I lived there. I abided by it by it at the time. But you know what they do now? and they do the right thing because they also don't have the deep their DPW sweeper out every night. Actually, they rarely have it out and they often don't have the snow plows out like tonight here in the pardon me. It's my time to comment. Please do not. >> So, what they do Henry and folks is that they announce on the city website at the top of the city website tonight. can park on either side of the street because there will be no activity tonight by DPW because they understand that they want to make things simple for the people of Ithaca and they're not there just to write $15 tickets every night to people who aren't paying
48. 49:59attention or forget to do the this and that. And I tell you, we could do that here because there's no reason to be for HPD to write dozens of tickets every night when the street sweeper isn't out and when the snow shovels aren't the snow plows aren't out. It's not fair and it's not right. Thank you very much. I got time. >> No, that's 2 minutes and 30 seconds, but we can go on to another question. Thank you. We're going to answer this one. We'll try for the future. Like you said, it happens in the summer. You know, half the year ain't bad. You know, we that's like, >> do you guys believe it's a safety issue? >> Why do we Why does the rule exist? >> So we can clean our streets. We're not going to continue this issue right now. I I I agree. It's silly. >> It's not a safety issue is what you're saying. It's just not the only reason. >> It's not the only reason. >> You guys were on the same page. That's all. >> Well, our police administration, it's also to keep cars moving from one side to the other. Quality of life issue. It's to keep the street moving. It's a it's a neighbor a neighborhood issue. >> Keep the street moving. So, let's say
49. 51:01let's say your neighbor is has a second home and they parked their car next door and they left it there and they left it there again and they went to the city and it hasn't moved for two weeks and it just you mean like my neighbor on North Sixth Street where there's no rule. If if the rule is so important, why is it on North Sixth Street? >> I don't know. That's a good problem. I get to park his trucks and cars on North Six for weeks and months. >> That's a good That's There's your question. Please, let's just That's a good question. >> They don't care. Is there a reason? No, it's not. They have something you'd like to say. >> I with respect to like the rules of order and public comment, you often have points that are necessary to be made. If we stay within the rules of order and utilize the committee to address your actual questions, I think that most of your points will be heard. I think that you have fair points to be made and I think going back and forth with the hypotheticals isn't productive and it's you didn't start I'm not saying you started hypotheticals like Margaret in
50. 52:04the beginning addressed that we should not go back and forth with hypotheticals. You brought up Ithaca that gave us something to look into. That's a if that's a model that you're suggesting you think makes the most sense. us as a committee should listen to your public comment and do our due diligence and look into it and be able to address your comments at our next meeting. I think that that's a fair process, but if we don't give each other an opportunity to have a process, we'll never have a respectful committee meeting. >> I think that you should be able to stay in these meetings and by following the rules of order, that's how you remain in committee meetings and I would like to hear what you have to say. So, I hope that you would follow through as a corner so we can continue productive dialogue. >> Thanks very much, Claire. I second that. I too would like to hear what you have to say, Bill. And in the past, you other people weren't very welcoming of you, and we don't want to be those people anymore. Um, your comments to Cla's point are poignant and have a lot of good heart behind them. And anyhow, we're
51. 53:08going to move on to the next issue. What were the boy? You have a question? >> Just No, just the parking signs. You said convention sign. >> Two different people thought they were too high. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Some some >> Yeah. I noticed a couple of people. It's like, where's the parking sign? >> You need more signs than maybe lower. >> Well, it was the tall guy putting them up that day. Well, >> I guess so. >> So, part of the reason I think it was it was already brought up about the QR codes. So, nobody messes with the QR codes. Additionally, when they're DPW puts out no parking signs, they also use the street lamps for that. So, if they were put any lower, then they would impede. They kind of would compete with one another. >> Yeah. So, there was there was a method to our madness with that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I got complaint from the um war street that >> Yeah, >> they do work when you zoom in on like it's too high. So, we brought it down a little bit. >> The learning workout is a week. >> Yeah, we're we're going to get there. It's new. And we're there's no change in track now. We got to move forward. But
52. 54:11anybody's going to get parking taken here. >> We're going to try. It's it's happened in the past. >> You were here. >> Safety committee. >> There was the police committee. >> Yes. Yeah. Because you know, parking is about safety. >> I know there's a signage issue with because ADA not being compliant, but that's been resolved because they don't have to use them. Any other comments from the public? President, anything? >> Okay. >> Online. >> Online. Great. >> Uh, make a motion to adjurnn. Second, captain. And, uh, a motion to adjurnn. Second. >> Thank you. We are journ. >> Thank you. Uh,

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