Common Council Safety Committee Meeting

1. 1:12ready. Uh, do we have to do the pledge? We don't do the pledge, right? Thank you. >> Okay. Um, it's February, is it March 2nd? Of course, it's March 2nd. >> And this is the safety meeting. Um, thank you for coming. Thank you for having us. >> You're welcome. And we're going to start with fire department. >> Be nice and quick. >> Yeah. So, um, if you can give your monthly report and then any, uh, because I don't think we have any old business. >> Here's some. >> Thank you. >> So, we are two members like today. Um, had a religious holiday and like can't remember where player is. any of Thank you. >> Um, so we had 26 calls for the month of February, uh, two fires, um, a dumpster, and that kind of spread to the house, uh, the building, the garage that was down behind the maker.
2. 2:16Um, and then small fire inside the shed. It got pretty quick. Um, fuel spill, car accident, uh, car accidents. Uh, one was just medical, nothing else. Left assist Supreme Court rescue six non-emergency situations. Uh, smoke and 14 public service alarm CO um different things like that and one uh usually uh year to date we have 65 calls um which is up by six. From 2025, we had 59 at the end of February last year. That's our fall report for the year for >> Thank you very much. >> Um any questions about the report? You got you got anything for new visual pick? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um yes. So, uh Claire, we just started. It's just the root
3. 3:21committee report. Um fire report, sorry. Uh so any new business? >> Yes. Um so we had to replace our main computer at the firehouse uh which controls our key fob system. Uh we were running on Windows 10 which is no longer supported. The computer was quite old. We could barely get it to do anything. Unfortunately, the key fob system will not transfer to the new computer, which makes our current key fob system, it works because it's on. We cannot do anything with it. um at this point. So, we got a quote on New York State contract to replace um the main brains of the system um using the current door readers which are at every door, the current wiring. Um so, we get new brains and then a new new software
4. 4:26program. Um, and then to keep the price down, um, we would be doing all of the um, programming of the keys for the entire department instead of the, uh, tech. >> Um, and that is at a cost of $22,77.92 on state contract. Um, okay. >> Unfortunately, we do not have that money in our budget. Um, our highest year budget for the buildings is $20,000. >> Uh, we've been asking for a few years at budget time uh for this uh to get replaced because we saw this day coming. >> Gotcha. >> Um, and unfortunately every year it's been removed. So, here we are. >> Okay. >> We haven't been given the money to do it, >> right? >> Um, other years. So unfortunately here we are
5. 5:30kind of between Iraq and a hard place and we need the money to do it out of the general fund because we don't have the money thing and we need that for operation of the department. >> Yeah. Uh you mentioned state fund is that like a reimbursement? >> No state contract. So it's through fire security and sound actually just department's uh f system at the end of the year. Um but it's all on contract. So we don't have Yeah. It doesn't have to go out the bid. >> Okay. We'll throw a resolution together. And >> is there have you looked at any alternative though? Like you know for my work right we have um key fobs but you also could do it using an app. So we can have the app though you have to change all of the readers um which we would eventually try to do. This is step one. >> Um but there is you have to change the
6. 6:33reader to be able to do it. It's a digital key through your phone. Um that's another every reader is $350. So this is without the physical replacement of the readers. This is essentially software and computer. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> To get us up and running. So we can program them so we can get guys access that need the access. >> So this for internal. So you internally program it once the system's in. Yes. >> You you give the key fobs out. You assign the key fobs everything internally. >> Yes. And we have we access to every door and to whoever needs a key. Like there's a meeting going on with this. I can literally if you call me and say, "Hey, let's buy a house." Okay, go to the next door and I can unlock it from >> Good to know. April 22nd, I make >> so I can get that little together and get it to the clerk. >> Please do. >> And then with any questions on that and I have
7. 7:37>> um anything from Lar Dominic more for fire on that? No, so yeah, please give us some information on it and we'll >> uh hopefully we don't need it by the end of the month and >> we'll get it moved along. >> Appreciate it. And then um for the House committee um has kind of taken over um the calendar for use of the hall. Um, so if there any city meetings that need to happen at the firehouse, um, just send us an email and we'll do it through the house committee. Okay. >> Um, or text obviously can still use whenever it's needed. Um, as long as obviously there's nothing else, but we have kind of streamlined process. We just shoot an email, fire department email or Sean and we can go with the house committee and get that on the calendar. I do need it April 22nd. So yeah,
8. 8:39>> April 22nd. >> Yeah. From 5 uh 5 to 8 for the landlord tenants >> and that's through for the council >> a housing advisory board is for the house. I sit on a housing advisory board. >> Okay. >> So it's it's uh through uh it's kind of the county housing advisory board. We're doing a we do it every year. We >> Yep. >> Think Justin I gota get old Justin see if he's available to do the fire side. >> No problem. >> Great. >> Anything else for fire? Awesome. Well, you got we got one more thing, right, Nick? What's Saturday? >> It is Saturday. >> Okay. >> Yes. Saturday. >> Well, it's said he's going in. might hear something. >> Yeah. Yeah. Go in. >> Everyone's welcome to join our team. >> Oh, thank you.
9. 9:40>> It won't be that cold. >> Following chicken barbecue's interested. >> Oh, I'm interested. >> Chicken barbecue. >> Don't tell my wife. >> It's better than our subs. >> Next one. >> All right. Well, put it on the calendar. >> Okay. >> Uh, thank you. Okay. So that'll conclude fire. Um unless anybody Oh, any sorry it will not conclude fire unless there are any questions from or you have in the audience. Thank you. >> Please uh go ahead. >> Who is it? >> Bill. >> Which Bill? >> You hear me? >> We can hear you, Bill. Please go ahead. >> All right. Um, I'd like to make a comment uh first maybe a question at the end. If somebody could give me a heads up when my time is nearly up, I appreciate it. That's typically how things are done in public meetings. You don't just tell the >> Okay. Well, you you haven't been doing that.
10. 10:41>> I'm ready for you, Bill. If if your question is for fire, please uh please go ahead. So the comment first is um I just want to inform the uh council members there that in case they're unaware that about two years ago um three two or three years ago uh council member Rooney asked DPW Superintendent Rob Perry about a out of service fire hydrant in the 200 block of middle of the 200 block of State Street. Now, uh, Rooney asked him this because I a I suggested that Rooney ask Rob about it. And basically the response from Rob, in case anybody doesn't know, was it's not a problem. It being the out of service hydrant, there's others in the area. Now, >> yes, >> I remember that bill. >> Okay. it if if I were to live in front uh in front of that fire hydrant or if that fire hydrant were to be in front of my house or wherever I live, I'd probably be on the phone with city hall, the mayor, and the fire department about
11. 11:43just about every other day to find out when it's going to be uh repaired because it seems to me that any reasonable person living, let's say, in the city of Hudson uh wants the closest nearest fire hydrant to their house to be operating at all times or to at least know when it's going to be repaired. And it seems to me also that any reasonable DPW superintendent would want all every single fire hydrant in the city working without exception. And if they don't work, have have a plan to to find to figure out when they're going to be fixed. So my question is, does the fire department still not care that there are so many out of service fire hydrants in the city of Hudson all the time, including >> one that has been out of service on Fourth Street for at least seven years? >> Bill, the one Well, so I think I can answer that one. And thank you. That was exactly two minutes, by the way. I want you to know that was absolutely right on time.
12. 12:46Um, so to address the first question about the location of the fire hydrant in front of a resident's house, I would actually say initially yes. But >> can I hear some Can I hear some somebody from the fire department respond to my question? I didn't ask you, Henry. Sorry, I didn't ask you a question. >> Well, it is since it is my meeting. >> I totally I totally understand that. >> I could just choose to cut you off if you want. Is anybody I I guess I'm curious if anybody from the fire department is going to answer the question I asked. I had >> this discussion at DPW last month with you and I actually listened to the fire department's explanation after you had left. >> He seems >> and they answered it to me. So I'm going to just allow him to Yeah, go ahead. Let's go ahead. >> I was going to say he seems willing. >> So So Bill, like we've told you for the last I don't know four or five maybe even six years your answer to this question. First of all, we would if there was a building on fire, we would not use the fire hydrant directly in
13. 13:49front of the building. So that uh it's actually firefighting 101. If you would like to join, you can fill out an application on the website. >> How about the house next to the fire hydrant? >> Yeah, usually we don't tag them right in the general vicinity of the fire, Bill. Um because of collapse zones and different things like that. So >> usually or all the time. Bill, we gave him a chance to respond and this is the part of the rules of order where we're not gonna have a back and forth debate. I'll try I'll respond to you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Bill. Uh, anyone else online have a question? Thank you, Nick. >> No problem. >> Really? I remembered everything you said verbatim, too. I really wanted that. >> Anyhow, um, so thank you very much, uh, our department. If you uh want to stay, please do. If you have places to be, >> thank you. Uh moving on to HPD. Uh I don't believe we have any old business,
14. 14:53but if there is if anybody remembers anything else. >> Okay, great. Um let's see. Oh, would you Let's start with the monthly report, please. >> I actually have January's and February, so I don't know if you guys received that one yet. I think February's was sent today. Um, but because it was such a short month, so we're not always behind, I figured I would go over both of them if that's fine with the committee. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. >> So, January, the number of defensive action reports were two, and I'm just going to kind of briefly go over what those were a little bit. Um, so there was the first one there was an incident uh where a subject was intoxicated and going in and out of uh different stores and businesses on Warm Street throughout Warm Street. He subsequently was arrested for disorderly conduct. He was released from um being arrested from our custody. He punched the window to our garage door and then subsequently was taken back into custody.
15. 15:55Uh upon going into the station, officers were trying to remove the cuffs and then he decided to fight with officers when they were trying to take the cuffs off of him. Um so then he was taken to the floor and then he had a cut to his hand. So he was checked out to make sure it wasn't from either the glass >> or from the officers. Um and then he was released. The second one, uh there was actually a fight reported near Lies. Couple subjects were fighting. One subject was beat up pretty badly. Officers went to go speak to that person. He kept posturing towards officers and kept his hands in his pockets. Uh and then they tried to interview him, asked him to take his hand out of his pockets. He didn't. He tried to to flee. Um we were trying to ascertain like, hey, did you fight? Because he wasn't the only one who was injured in that situation. Um, and so he was taken to the ground and he had injuries from the fight. And also it wasn't clear what injuries were from him falling to the ground from officers or
16. 16:59from the fight because he had injuries uh to his face from the fight and there was video of that from the fight. So >> someone brandished a weapon at that time too as well. Um, so those were the two incidents uh where there were defensive action reports. She's on there. >> Uh the number of arrests were 32 with 50 total charges in January. The number of emotion emotionally disabled person calls was seven. The number of calls involving a drug overdose or suspected drug overdose was one. Uh I do have a question. The defensive actions. Yes. Um, is it in court where like it'll be reviewed if those injuries were from the incident that happened prior or is it just in your report? That's as far as it goes. >> Yeah, that's our that's just our internal documentation like, hey, we had to use force to to gain custody of a person and that there were injuries. So, when they they received treatment, we also just update our report with that as
17. 18:02well. I'd like to add the sergeant looks it over and then it gets kicked to admin and then we review to make sure that the policy procedures over use of forces >> that's the question. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yes, we we have an internal process for that. >> Okay. >> And they were just these were justified incidents. If they weren't, we would note that at our level. >> Thank you. >> Um for body warn cameras, uh like Captain Miller said, we reviewed it. Um so there is no indication of training needs from those from about body one camera reports for January. Um moving on to February there was one defensive action report uh there was a traffic stop in which the operator was asked to step out of the vehicle because there there was no insurance for towing the vehicle. Person put their vehicle in park and tried to flee. So taser was drawn but not uh deployed. and then she was subsequently removed from the vehicle. Uh there were 49 arrests and 65 total
18. 19:04charges. Uh four emotionally disturbed person calls and zero calls involving drug overdose or suspected drug overdose. >> Thank you. >> Do you want me to give parking now? >> Yeah. Um but that concludes the monthly report. We'll go on to uh parking and then we'll go down the list. >> Yeah. So, for last month, the department issued 2,750 parking tickets. Um, paid actual paid tickets were 2,380 for a total of $68,000. Um, also revenue was up by 26% from that time last year. And just to kind of put in perspective for parking, we had six 16,793 parking transactions for that month, for one month. And right
19. 20:08now, we have 43 tickets in dispute for last month only. Um, >> so yeah, we did have I talked to Park and we did have some phone calls here and there and a couple emails, but statistically out of that 16,793 I would say we had no more no more than I don't know 43 documented. So let's even if you total that that's 83 complaints out of 16,793 and that's it. >> Do a process question. You you speak with the company often still with like the implementation I'm wondering if there's a way to either go down to 30 minutes instead of an hour or if like folks can be there should be something on the app that like you stop your parking meter. >> Mhm. >> So that that time can be credited for another time. Especially for locals if we have to park somewhere for 5 minutes and run into the store, we just paid for an hour and then we're done being parked on. Yeah, I think for the the time frame that would be something the council can decide on because it's right now the the
20. 21:11resolution was for our time slots for parking. So, I think the council can could adjust that. >> What I not a bad suggestion, but I think that might make it >> a way we might lose a little revenue on the people that don't necessarily live here. But maybe there's another solution like a residential parking. >> That's what I'm wondering. There's like you click an option or I don't know put your address in to get the option because again like there's stores on War Street that locals are running in and out of for 10 seconds and they're paying for an hour of parking. And there's people that have watched or have at least come to me and said like I've watched the two cars in front of me that parked at the same time not get a ticket. I got a ticket as I'm about to press send. So there's just like to avoid some of that discretion with disgruntled residents that are trying to figure it out. I think we can rethink some of those things. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, I I don't think any one of us are opposed to a resident uh parking like uh system. Um again, I think that's a decision that's made by the council.
21. 22:13Um >> right. Cuz like all decisions don't like start and end like have they have has the company said anything about like any of those options or like troubleshooting things as you're going through the implementation? Um, one of the things I found to be kind of an issue is like there's a prorating system where like time kind of stops. So folks are are getting charged the transaction fee, but if parking ends at five, folks are paying kind of less for parking and then paying more in a transaction fee. The start time we've talked about um because there have been complaints for folks who have to work maybe they go into work at 8:30, right? we ask them to start the time at 8:30 so they can park. Um, but essentially their their clock doesn't start until 9. So we could also push that back. Uh, as far as the 30 minute time piece, we haven't talked about that because it's never been until >> when there was meter though, wasn't that
22. 23:15the same thing? I mean, you could you would pay for, you know, your spot, but you might only be there for five minutes, but you're still there, right? >> Yes. >> So what's the difference now? Right. you're whether it's a meter or this method, the concept is still there. You're paying >> folks worth of payment. >> Yeah. I think folks are were used to paying, you know, 15 minutes for a quarter, right? Instead of the full hour. So, it would register >> well 50ents, >> right? Or 30 minutes, right? Excuse me. >> But that's even worries. >> Yeah. You would put you would put a quarter in and you get 30 minutes >> instead of having to put 50 cents in for the hour. >> Well, let's send them a shoot them a message and see what they have options for time increments. Probably won't get the rebate, but maybe we can break it up to half an hour >> and we can weigh all of those options, but I think based on some of the complaints that I've gotten the 89 cents for an hour and only spending >> the sir charge is ridiculous. And hopefully when their contract runs out,
23. 24:17we can renegotiate or look to whoever might give other rates. Our our rates, just for the record, are the cheapest. >> They are the cheapest. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> That same fair. If you go to Albany, you can go right on their Albany parking and they have a chart of all their scheduling and their fees. So, uh you would look at our parking and go, "Oh, wow. We're getting a huge break here compared." And I do think residents will get used to and be okay with it once things make sense. But if there are things to be troubleshooted, we should entertain them. >> And I think once more of the kiosk gets out where you actually can use the quarters where you can avoid you getting paid 39 cents, then I think that also might help too once the kiosk is spread out. Uh, since you brought it up, are do we have any updates on kiosks or? >> Um, so we the the BEA has the quotes for the remaining 10 kiosks and the conversions of four of them um to solar and just waiting for approval from BEA
24. 25:21and for that to go forward for resolution because there has to be a transfer of funds. Yeah. Associated with that. >> Didn't we have that last year or last month? >> It wasn't at VA last month. Okay. Thank you. >> No, the B BA has just got it. Did No, the mayor. >> Yeah, I thought they had met last night. >> So, last U I did speak with the treasurer and she was going to draft a resolution so those funds could get transferred so we can set that up >> once they have the signed quotes from us. Uh then we can schedule the install. Um so hopefully in the foreseeable near future. >> Okay. Thank you. Um any questions about parking? Uh you're gonna get be you're up next and then we'll do Lou. Um >> questions from the audience online specifically about this parking and then we'll go to any questions about I know you did you send one out? >> I sent one to you. Yes. And maybe other people.
25. 26:24>> Excellent. So let's just go right in. Uh >> may I >> please go ahead. >> Hi. Um my name is Katherine Clark. I live here in town. I work here in town. I'm going to try and keep this brief, but uh I would like to raise the issue of the uh lack of signs explaining parking in the town is one thing. Um I'm only aware of one at the top of Warren there and it's not really a place that say pause and read as it's on the main ride. It's small lettering. It's difficult. I don't think I actually know what it says. Um >> that would be the overnight parking. Correct. >> Okay. >> Um and then on top of that um in the past few months the enforcement of the parking rules and regulation has changed drastically which has left me and many of my peers here also residents and uh professionals of Hudson in uh compromised positions and owing you a lot of money that we don't have. Um so you know I just like to uh note that uh
26. 27:30there was really no communication um saying that that was going to change. So just wanted to to address that. Um additionally um the municipal lot I understand that the um when when we purchase parking passes and permits we have to provide our license plate information. Um, I don't know why they do, but I do also understand that the license plate readers in the police uh cars and of the parking employees that walk around, they can read whether or not your license plate has um, you know, unpaid parking tickets associated with it. So, I would like to address the issue of them not being able to read whether or not you actually have a permit that associated with the license plate. So, if I forget to put my permit up, which has happened before, and I'm parked legally in the lot, I get tickets because your the readers can't actually read whether or not my license plate has a permit.
27. 28:34Sorry, that should have been more eloquent. I think you get what I'm putting down here. Um, so I'd like them to go both ways if that's possible. Um, and then yes, the issue of resident parking. Um I I understand that there is very little space here in town and I also understand that we're trying to do a lot in that small space but um those who don't have parking associated with their addresses are the ones who are really I think bolstering the economy here. We allow we we help run the businesses that bring tourists in and bring money in and all of that. And um it often feels as though we are the most frequently punished for trying to park our cars and um you know live here. So that's just uh tried to keep that brief, but that's that's those are just some of the issues that I'd like to raise to this committee. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Do you want me to speak to do we want to speak to any of those things? >> I think so. Why not? We we definitely have some issues that we've heard before. Overnight parking, we've heard
28. 29:36it from Bill a number of times. Um >> overnight parking being suspended, especially when we're not cleaning the streets, right, would definitely go probably a long way. And then >> resident park. >> Yeah. >> Um >> um >> and of course, Warren Street being our commercial district. >> Yeah. >> Be a little bit of a catch there. Kind of a difficult spot, but >> it would have to be a Warren Street only or something residential parking completely. Sorry, I don't want to. >> No, no, no. It's okay. That's okay. Um, as far as the overnight overnight parking rules, we can certainly get more signage. We would just have to to order that and figure out where what funding that would be from. Um, as well as we have more signs to put up for the new parking rules um with the QR codes and the information. Uh, those the time frame that those get put up are dictated by DPW schedule. We don't put those up. It's when if they're not busy with water breaks or different things, they take their extra time to to put those up throughout the city. So, because there has been a delay, we delayed enforcement
29. 30:41in areas where there weren't uh actually parking signs. As far as the communication for those that went out, we were uh we have been talking about this since last year and prior to that. Uh there was a committee um I don't know if you are um a user of the Hudson hub at all, but all parking related um notifications go out through there as well as other city notifications if there's a water break, if there are any updates. Uh the link to that would be right on the city website. Um app >> it is an app. >> Yeah, that's the that's an app. >> And additionally on the city website under parking, there's all updates about suspended parking, the rules, um how to pay for parking as well on there. >> I've had a hard time finding the updates and and like when there are changes. That's something I haven't been able to find. So maybe that's user error or maybe it's just not adequately stated. Not all updates are on like the main page. You have to navigate to actually
30. 31:44the parking. Um >> it's an imperfect system. >> It is. Um but I believe on the main page at the bottom is the link to Hudson Hub and you can you can look it up on your phone uh as an app and download it and sign up for the notifications on there as well. And that's not just for parking. That's for any city related business that are updates that we might might need anyone to know. That just doesn't come from our office. But say if Orange Street's closed down for an event or something like that, that would be on there. Parking restrictions as well, um will be on there. Next one. What was the next one? >> Uh residential parking. >> Residential. Yeah. And I touched on that earlier um in the meeting. Again, we're not I'm not opposed to that. That doesn't come through me. Like I don't make that decision. Um >> enforcement. >> Yeah. >> Come from us. maybe you directly >> but yeah, it's been it's been brought up in the past. Um, and I think there needs to be more discussion about that. I'm a resident of the city. Fortunately, I
31. 32:45have a a driveway. There are times where I may have to park on the street. Um, and there's restrictions where I live as well. Um, but I would be open to uh a resident permit if I could as >> So, who who would be best to speak with us? >> It's us. Yeah. Which do you live in? I I live uh at First W, right? >> First W. Warren Street is usually where people are asking for the resident permits because it is the commercial district. So, >> a few of us left. >> Yep. Yeah. >> Um and this committee. So, I think we would just think about what it would look like and >> and I think we're we're happy we understand that, you know, it's maybe something that can't be free and that that does make sense, but um you know, and we're happy to pay a a reasonable amount. Um, but we just, you know, the the $350 in late fees on tickets, just yada yada, that's something that we can do multiple times a year. >> Um, just to commiserate, these fees used to be compounded when
32. 33:50you when we used to pay our bills in in that office over there to EI and you felt terrible and it compounded monthly. Um, yeah, it's it's it's getting better slowly, but >> we're gonna try. Yeah, >> and to to piggyback off that, right, because that segue segus into the municipal law um discussion. Um, so park municipal permits per code right now are issued by the city clerk's office. >> Yeah. >> Historically, the city clerk's office did not collect license license plates or registrations because they're transferable. So if you had multiple cars, you could use it from both of your cars. Um we are trying to move the issuance of municipal permits to the parking bureau which is under our purview. Uh that said, we have asked the clerk's office this year to start collecting license plates. Th those have not been entered into our system as of yet because we don't oversee them. Um,
33. 34:54and that is why if it is not hanging, which is also something that is required by code, they're not going to scan your license plate and probably get the information. >> Sure. >> But if you have one and you get a ticket, you can call the parking bureau, bring your permit, we can verify it, and then your ticket would be dismissed. >> Possibly. >> Most likely. >> Well, the problem is some people never put their permit down after the fifth time. Trying to work that problem out becomes an issue. Yeah, >> because it's law lawless. She says >> totally understand that. I think I mean just sort of like you're you're late forget work that day, you forget to put it up >> and and I agree with that, right? Like if you have a permit, you have a permit. Um and again to change that by code is is another thing for the council if we if we can do that, if they're willing to do that. >> It's a license. I mean, you're not to get in because it's it's tied to your license. >> Correct. One other thing, Chief, in terms of signage, is there any way to do like a laminated 8 by10 signage for the
34. 35:58businesses that they can put up? >> Yeah, parking parking enforcement actually went out to the businesses and and like handed out flyers about it so that they have it in their stores, right? >> Also, there were smaller ones like wallet size ones that are here, city hall and other places that folks can take with them and maybe throw in their car if they need it. >> Right. as well. Okay. >> Um to piggyback on that, the overnight parking rules I think are only there are only three signs I believe. Is that about right? The Hudson, right? Anyway, you can enter Hudson via the sign. So, there's more than three. Yeah, >> that's more what my question is cur. Maybe we could uh order a couple more of those and put those randomly because they do that's always been a problem for every new res and old. Um okay. Uh anything else about that particular parking issue? Sure. Please state your name. >> I live on street. Uh a question
35. 37:04regarding orphan uh fans technology, right? So say I was a resident who didn't have access to a smartphone or a phone for um in this given situation assuming I in today would need to walk to a booth. What would happen if in the time that it took me to walk to a booth and per say figure out how to use that booth, I was ticketed? >> So, you would have you don't have to walk to one. You can drive your car up to a selected one because they're next to the parking lots. Put in your license plate and you're good for the hour for 50 cents. Then you park your car. Then if you have to get coffee at wherever you get coffee, if you have to go to CVS, it it goes by your plate number, not the actual spot. So you don't have to keep on feeding the meter. So once you pay, so once you pay up to a kiosk, you pull up, you put your plate and put the 50 cents in and you go on your business and go wherever you need to go. You don't have to travel around. If you're traveling that much walking, you might as well do a non-metered spot at that point. >> Well, there was a moment another constituent said they were parking on warrant to go to CVS were walk they
36. 38:07parked their car, were walking to the sign to do the thing with the QR code and they were ticketed in that process. Yeah, there's there was a there was a delay I think in that in that circumstance and I would just I would just recommend to contact the parking bureau or bring the ticket in and show your receipt of when you paid and when you received the ticket and kind of explain that um you know we're we take into consideration like all the circumstances >> I guess I have a question so the system function on multiple zones correct so I'm >> so each kiosk is a different zone >> no uh I think so each zone Each kiosk can zone. There's only two zones. >> Okay. >> There's Warren Street and the side streets which is all wine and then there's mobile. There's >> it is a little I thought we were talking about ka. I'm sorry. Um well I think that >> it depends. I think it depends on which >> and it is >> to that point. I I was not under the impression you could do what you're saying uh Katherine.
37. 39:10>> Yeah. >> Go up to one and then pay and then drive somewhere to park. you throw in your 50 cents and you go wherever you want. >> But I think maybe that being a new system, it's not really widely known to the public. Plus, I was under the impression, >> well, I'm under I assume most people don't know that. >> And to be fair, difficult for any resident or or visitor to come to Hudson and then have to walk 2,000 ft, you know, if they're going to park on 300 block or rather the 200 block rather and then make that round trip. >> Yeah. Yeah, to be fair, we we took over parking not even a year yet. And since then, we can have meetings like this. Before this, before we took them over, you couldn't do what we're doing right now didn't exist. >> So, it's great like compared to what what we used to have and what we're doing now. Uh we can talk, we walk through it, we work on it. Um you might have missed some of the meetings we've talked about um how you can do this and the different ways you can this system is great compared to what we had. I understand change is tough, but I watched that system for years and um it
38. 40:14was just barbaric. The machines were breaking. People would put in their quarters and then go somewhere else and it was just a real mess. I think this is a good suggestion though and like maybe there's a social media push about just like tips and tricks for the system because even if you were to use this in Albany, if you were to do that in Albany, pay for your parking spot and then go find parking. It could just be a complete rewire of how you do the system. >> But it does feel like it's a temporary problem because once the rest of the kiosks are deployed, they will be within eyesight. Um, so it is unfortunately not a perfect solution and maybe you know arguing a situation like that I'm pretty sure uh the parking department is going to be relatively understanding before of course it gets to a >> if something happens like you explained um that they will be glad to help you. You know there there's no reason for them not to want to help you with a situation like that. >> Yeah. Captain Miller has been very proactive on Facebook when he does see
39. 41:16someone ask a question. He's quick to respond directed and also give them information. >> So you said there are two zones that within parking if using the kiosk >> if you're specifically on War Street that's one zone. >> Okay. Um, and to clarify, I think to to reiterate what Captain Miller said is that if you are concerned about like that time, that lapse. Yeah. Um, in receiving a ticket, you can drive to the nearest kiosk, pay, and then park and then you're good. >> The kiosk, any of them can function within the exact monthly district. >> Yeah. And all of it like anywhere you want to park, which is nice because it takes about 30 seconds. you punch in your plate, put in your two quarters if you don't want to pay the the service fees for the apps. Some people like the app, you know, you know, whatever works for you. >> Thank you. Anything else? Uh, anyone else in the room regarding parking? >> I want to follow up on the like license
40. 42:18plate question that was asked at last safety committee meeting. Did you get a chance to ask um the company what they do, what the >> So, they don't sell to any third party. Um, and then there's couple layers of encryption for for that as well. >> And how long do they have it? >> How long do they how long do they store the data or >> I mean it's in there for extensive period of time. >> Forever. >> Yes. >> Okay. I don't know about forever, but >> not forever, but there's there's certain laws that has to keep the data for a certain amount. >> Gotcha. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. Thank you, Clar, for bringing that one up. That was our only leftover question from last month. Um, anyone in the online audience have a question. >> Okay. Regarding parking. >> Hello, >> Bill. We're ready for you. >> I do have a question or two about parking, but I also have a question for Chief Franklin. Am I allowed to ask of both the HPD representatives? >> Let's do it. You have the two-minute
41. 43:23floor. >> Okay. Um, also I just want to um comment about the uh 200 block fire hydrant that was out of service two or three years ago is still out of service. Um, we're all we we're all we've all been told well if you pay attention to um Jen Belton and the parking study committee and all their goings on the past year and a half well uh last year and the year before. Uh she made it very well. She she Jen made made very aware that the downtown parking lots are short-term lots and the Amtrak lot is the only the city's only long-term lot. In other words, you can park in the Amtrak lot for as long as you want. If you want to go away for a year, you can park there as long as you pay for your space. You won't get ticketed. Now, since the city since this downtown lots are short-term, presumably that means you don't want people parking in there for long periods of time or long term. And I guess my
42. 44:25question is to um Captain Miller, um why is there a white van why has there been a white van parked in the city hall parking lot behind city hall for the past year and a half unmoved that often has junk surrounding it? That's one question. And my second question is if if the if the if the short-term lots the excuse me if the downtown short-term lots are indeed short-term lots considered short-term what does that mean and why are people allowed to park in them overnight and for as long as they like even if they pay for their space and have a permit. >> Thank you, Bill. Yeah, the van. Um, we're working on the van. That's been an issue. That has been an issue. We're working on that. >> Can you elaborate a little bit for me, Captain Miller? Just like what's what are you working on? >> I don't It's not going to be a back and forth bill. He's going to give you that answer and maybe we can circle back another time. Let's move on to the next
43. 45:29question. He's answering >> the short term. So, we buy the We're talking about the permits. You can buy them, right? And some some of the residents use that like, you know, they do their whatever they have to do during the day and come home from work and then they park their car there overnight with their tags. I don't I don't know. I don't really see a pro. I think that's what it's meant for, but I I don't see anything in the code that says otherwise because I looked. >> So, how's the city code law? I guess the long I guess the short answer is the law allows it them to park like you're you're suggesting. >> That was not always the case until about three years ago when the alternate side parking rule was taken away. Right. That's not That's not true. >> So, well, actually, so I I my my question though is is are the downtown lots considered short-term? And what does it mean to call them short-term lots? If a if a van can park, if a vehicle can park in the city hall lot for a year and a half, how why is it called a short-term lot? >> Lots in a municipal a commercial district are short-term because we want people to come to town, spend their
44. 46:30money, and get out of town. That's what the lot is for to to get visitors into the lot, right? >> Well, some of them actually >> How is a vehicle How is a vehicle parked in the lot for a year and a half a shortterm duration? >> Are we talking about the van still? >> Isn't it a Isn't it a simple question? >> Are you talking about the van still? >> I think anything. How about How about Lloyd's other vehicle? He's talk. Yeah, he's addressing that for it's >> a good way for residents to not feel the impact of all of these parking changes. Yeah. >> So, it's a temporary solution right now for to be able to in the short term. >> I would just like to hear Captain Miller explain why the or or Chief Franklin why the downtown lots are considered shortterm. That's all >> he he he said he read the code and that it's not it's not enforceable by law. Thank you very much. Moving on to the next thing. Thank you so much, Bill. And does anyone else in the online audience have a question?
45. 47:31>> I have a question for Chief. >> Which is it? You want to do that? Fire away. Bill, here's another two minutes. Bill, you want a Chief Franklin question? >> Sorry about that. Um, here's my comment and then I'll ask a question. >> No, no, just a question. >> Why is that? I thought you gave me two minutes. >> Bill, come on. >> I thought you gave me >> for a question. You had two minutes. It's two minutes per thing. We're not We know We all We've gone over the rules before. I don't want to read it again. >> Okay. The woman that asked the woman that asked about parking issues was given about five minutes. Uh, but I I won't go into that. >> There are five There are four people. So, between four of them for this issue. Absolutely. Bill, please ask the question. Let's direct. It's one comment or question per issue. They were still on topic of the issue. >> Chief Franklin, I'm curious um why there
46. 48:34is no in uh in external board that uh reviews complaints about police or issues of police m misconduct. And if you're really comfortable with doing these things internally, >> there is it's called the attorney general's office and you can make a complaint, you have in the past. >> And they rejected my And they rejected my request. >> They rejected your request because they probably because they didn't deem it um sensitive enough for their office to >> I'm wondering like Albany has a local police review board. Are you comfortable with Hudson not having a similar review board for police misconduct issues? I mean, I don't I don't believe that that's my decision to make. I mean, if the mayor I'm asking you if you're comfortable with it, chief. I'm sorry to interrupt you. >> She's responded. >> She's responded. >> Are you comfortable with it? >> Thank you so much, Bill. Have a good evening. Sorry, I'm not I feel like we should
47. 49:38still, even though it's redundant, we should start the meeting by just breezing through the rules of order so that it's documented on every meeting that we've said it. >> Just do number nine. Perfect. Um, thank you. Does anyone else have any questions? Oh, I'm sorry. New business. Do we have any new business? Oh, no. I forgot. Nope. We're not there yet. I'm sorry. He gets me flustered. Really? Bill, you're a great guy. Um, new item on the agenda. >> Uh, I have to have two. So, one was what I forwarded to the committee right before the meeting. Um, there was a request from a resident at 76 North 7th Street. >> Oh, yeah. Stop sign >> about a stop sign at 7th and State. >> Ah. >> Um, and I know one of the main reasons there is not one there >> Yeah. is because of the railroad tracks. >> Yes. >> So, it follows the same um traffic safety >> order as 6th and Colombia.
48. 50:41>> Mhm. >> Because of the railroad tracks. >> Did they witness something that made them feel like it would be >> um helpful? >> I think it's just a concerned parent about their children um in that area being concerned about possibly getting hit by a car. But there was nothing any there was nothing specific according to this email. >> Would one of the crosswalks with the blinking sign be helpful there? I mean I think that would be a good solution sign. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like that it it alerts when there's somebody in the crosswalk cuz I I can understand like flying I've seen cars fly between six and the light. Yeah. >> And that's my concern if if there was a consideration to add another stop sign in in addition to the the railroad tracks is like >> it could give someone a false sense of safety and then they're going to zip from that stop sign to the next one. >> I would say the crosswalk I think the crosswalk in that whole intersection be >> I think one of the other issues is >> parking um at that corner. I know even coming out with fire trucks. Yeah,
49. 51:46>> they sit a little bit higher so it's not as bad. But if I leave the firehouse in my chief's vehicle and I and even every morning I come across I come across the front of the firehouse to go to work >> to get if there's people parked there, especially at night because of the the establishments in that area. >> It is brutal. >> Yeah. >> To see cars >> Yeah. >> coming down State Street. Um I think between a crosswalk and maybe extending the no the yellow curve >> Yeah. >> up further. I get we'd be taking away parking spaces there. >> But I think leaving it the way it is um from all aspects. Right now we have an apartment building. We still have the firehouse on that block and at 4:00 that intersection is >> insane with people coming out of DSS. Yeah. >> Um, so even making that it's only four spots, making it a no parking um, might benefit everybody and the crosswalk maybe
50. 52:47>> or just painting it. >> I thought that was part of the planning board's recommendation when they did. >> I was going to say the I feel like that was a conversation. Um, >> there is a stop sign next to the walls. >> Yeah. No, I'm talking about the yellow. >> Yeah. >> And increasing the crosswalk. It was it wasn't painted up. One spot was painted. Um that has since disappeared just because the paint wore off on a brand new curb. Um so I don't know if maybe even signage. Um, I think that's in the chief purview along with once they get painting yellow curves again, >> you know, no parking here corner, something along those lines on the north side of State Street. So people can see coming out of state. I think that might >> I mean anything that enhances that visibility especially in that corner especially when we are handcuffed without a stop sign that's you know that can be put there. Right. Right. So
51. 53:49>> any any even one or two spots going going >> uh the next be able to see cars coming up because they back right up to uh street would probably benefit quite a bit plus I think would definitely benefit. >> It's a cheaper solution for now with some paint >> and move to signage. >> Yeah. >> Sound good to you? >> Yeah. I mean, the mayor has a special interest in crosswalks, so >> yeah, >> that might have been on his list. That intersection may have been on his list. >> I think we should highlight it to him that it came back up. >> Great. >> Um, next issue. >> Uh, so one of our patrol cars has been out of service for a little bit. It was overheating. >> We received a quote to repair that. Um, the amount of 6,4175. um new radiator, muffler, and all the work for that. Uh we probably could get away with not replacing the muffler
52. 54:53right now, but eventually that would have to get replaced. >> Get a muffler ticket, >> right? Yes. Um so, we're going to try to find uh the money of how to pay for that. Okay. Otherwise, we'd be down we'll be down a car, patrol vehicle. >> Um how's everything looking overall? in terms of if you've got one down now. >> So that car that you're talking about in 2017, >> it's one of the older >> it's it's the older it's the only one that has not been replaced from 2017 vehicles that were purchased. >> Gotcha. >> Um everything else starting in 22 has been replaced. >> Awesome. >> Um and we're doing very good with those. Um mileage just the way we're doing it now. Um mileage is is lower on them. Um everybody's there's only two or three people assigned to every carable maintenance. >> Yeah. The the concern is if we're down one car >> then those newer cars then take the brunt of everything else. And so
53. 55:57>> then those would need repair sooner rather than later. >> Yeah. Uh, with this one we are two 102,000 miles >> hard miles. >> Uh, that's that's not idle time. I mean, that's probably the equivalent of 3 to 400,000 miles with idle time. So, >> um, you know, it's going to be going on. It's nine years old. >> So, >> do you guys for take a 2017 car? >> Two people are assigned it. They they they do take with we found with just assigning two to three people and they have the same car every day for the inside and the way it looks to take care of them a lot better. >> Oh yeah, absolutely. >> When stuff does come up, >> they notice it before stuff gets worse so we can get it fixed. >> Um this is I mean muffler alone is it's dual mufflers. It's over $3,000 just for mufflers. >> Yeah. >> Um not including the antifreeze leak. So that's kind of the bull work on that.
54. 57:02>> Thank you. Um I got a request from Joe Connealy to bring up former officer Lou Brener in his approaching centennial. and he wanted to know if HPV would ask the uh mayor to honor him in some fashion or if there's anything you ever do if an officer reaches 100. >> They might be the first. >> No. >> Yeah. Can't be looking bright. >> So, God bless. >> Yeah. America nation. >> Yeah. I mean, we can bring it up. I can bring it up to him. >> Give him the key to the city. Thanks. >> Of course. >> See if we can get him here. >> He would love to come. I'm sure of it. >> Okay. I'd love to hear stories, too. >> Well, we've got some time. March 21st.
55. 58:05>> Yeah. >> Um, if there is anything for new business that anyone else would like to bring up, I do have something. So please um we have uh at Oakdale now um there is signage now stay up ice. >> Okay. >> So if you could do before there was really nothing you guys can do because there's no signage. Now there's a sign signage to stay off ice. So if there could be some kind of routine to go there just make sure you know there there's no ice >> that would be great. Especially because the air ravators >> um that are on uh they actually make the ice thinner. So I don't know if people know that that it might look like it's thick but those airators actually make it thinner uh thin because there's no you know that's the whole point right and uh so those ice is not as thick as what it looks like. >> Yeah. the air raators are left on or the mitigation option that uh the city chose
56. 59:09for the algae bloom and uh it's a part of their non-toxic method or something. So the air raators are on this winter. They might have been on last winter, I don't remember. Um but they're on and it's a springfed lake so or yeah lake. Um so everyone should stay off. Our winter was colder. Obviously, this winter, you know, there's longer ice that's there than it was. >> Yeah, we can have patrols go over there and make announcements or whatever. Just make sure people are open. >> No, we're getting out of it. >> There is some hole in my I guess. >> There's very visible holes there. I'm actually surprised that anybody goes on the ice with them. >> Yeah. Crazy, right? >> Mhm. >> Um, thank you. Uh, anybody else, Claire? All set then. Um, I guess that concludes our meeting. >> Motion accepted. >> Second. >> Thank you. >> All in favor? I

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