Common Council Safety Committee transcript: FUTURE HUDSON

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2:005:30. So, uh, we will wait, do we do the collection?
2:06No, we don't. Right. Okay. Sorry, I'm forgetting. Um, so, uh, it's the first Monday of the month and this is the safety committee meeting. Um members present are myself um Henry Hadad Cleric Cousins Dan Sar sorry and then Dominic of course so um we begin with uh the fire department with um any old business and then the monthly reports but I don't think we have anything outstanding other than
2:41the doors system last month so that's been taken care already yet installed?
2:46No, they're not installed yet on the way. I don't know when they're if they set a date yet, but it's being taken care of, you know. So,
2:53great.
2:55Other than that, uh, as far as the fire reports, it was a slow month last month. 21 calls total, only one fire, which was food. Uh we had one motor vehicle collision, 11 emergency calls anywhere from false alarms to smoke from cooking four O's and one good intent call. And we had eight public service calls. Those were smoke alarms and we had one cit or two citizens service calls. One was for a cat in the tree in the alley. Correct.
3:32Yeah. one of those rare ones, you know, classic. But, uh, it was a cold night and the cow was there for like 12 hours, 13 hours or something like that. So, we gave the woman a hand. Uh, we did go to one fire and mutually a fire and film out overnight fire. So, other than that, they added up to 21 calls for the month, which is pretty slow for us. You know, usually we average about 30, which isn't a bad thing. you know, don't mind.
3:59But that we don't I mean, as far as new business, we don't really have anything coming up outstanding or anything right now.
4:07Great. Any um big expenditures on the horizon?
4:11No, not right now. I mean, that the the system, the FOB system was a big one that we account for, you know, that was Yeah. unforeseen. So, but other than that, you know, nothing that we're
4:21great. Everything's running well, you know, as far as everything going. Yeah. All the equipment's working good. Everything's physical.
4:28Physical. Yeah, physicals just finished up. Uh last week we had two rounds of physicals. Everybody's got the physical. So that should be all caught up in the process of working on standing out.
4:44Yeah. Yeah. We're we're about threequarters of the way done. That's been what four or five years. That started when he when he was in chief. So it's been a while. It's been a while. But
4:53yeah, we're about threequarters of the way through that. I'm hoping to have that done
4:57here this year.
4:58Be all up to date. Last SOPs we had were back in the 80s,
5:03late 80s, early 90s. And that's been all different.
5:07Yeah, that's Yeah,
5:08that's pretty outdated.
5:09Used to be set for the future.
5:11All right, good.
5:12So,
5:12at least for a couple years.
5:13Yeah, we'll be set for that.
5:17All right. Well,
5:17what's the strategy of of just curiosity of removing a cap from your trigger? Do you like use a towel? How do you how do you do that to protect the cat? And
5:26uh we just we we just went over there with a ladder and had a guy go up there and coach the cat down. You know what I mean?
5:31Okay. So
5:31the cat the cat was pretty good.
5:33Okay.
5:34Yeah. Yeah. I mean when it gets to that I guess I guess the dog dog got off the leash and scared up into the tree or whatever and it was
5:42there all day and it got late at night and messing my call. Got it.
5:48Well, it's just it's again and it's classic, but you kind of wonder the hands-on approach because natural thing for a cat is go higher, right?
5:55Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We were pretty good. It was We were actually pretty good. So,
6:00did a great job.
6:00We have some cat whispers. So, cat people.
6:06I'll remember when my main cat is is because that's one you don't want to mess with.
6:10Yeah. So,
6:12well, thank you. Any other questions from council members? Okay. Well,
6:17thanks for coming in. Thanks for the report.
6:19You guys have a great evening.
6:20Thank you. Have a
6:21good job. Easter report.
6:26Thanks.
6:28You should get the report next.
6:30You guys have a good evening.
6:32You too.
6:35Recess for an hour and start with Just kidding. Please uh welcome the chief and the captain. Proud of applause. not necessary here today is nice.
6:50Yeah.
6:54Uh so thanks for coming.
6:57Of course.
6:57Um
6:59do we have any old business other than the
7:02I don't think there's anything that we we left on another
7:06what you had on here about parking permits.
7:08Yep. We were talking about the parking permits on warrant and I have not dug up anything from any other municipality yet.
7:14Yeah. a little slow there, but um we maybe we'll revisit it at the end because we're going to have a brief communication from some members in the fourth ward about parking in their neighborhood.
7:27Okay.
7:28Um so if you want to start with the monthly report maybe
7:31sure
7:32we'll get moving. Uh so for March number of defensive action reports was one. Um it was actually a few days ago. Officers went uh to a call and a subject came off the porch, met him on the sidewalk and decided to fight with them. Uh they tried to get him in custody. Taser was pointed but not deployed. They got custody of that person. There were 38 arrests, 50 charges. uh three emotionally disturbed person called another three separate incidents and we spoke before there were three separate people three separate incidents number of calls involving a drug overdose or suspected overdose was one
8:16um and that was one of the the calls but it wasn't no Narcan administered or any transport to the hospital uh for the body cam reports uh review of those indicated no training needs at this time um I sent over the quarterly vehicle and traffic reports and there were 376 total tickets issued for the first quarter of this year. Um, and
8:42thank you.
8:43To put it in perspective, there were 533 traffic stops. So, it was a 70.54% issuance rate for those. Um, and then that's all I have for for that report. I probably have more newish business than than anything. If
9:05just the um
9:06at one point we have had a conversation about when Narcan is administered like the process the next step for HPD is different than county.
9:18Yeah, I was just wondering if that's still the case or they come up with a new system. So we do so we're still in talks about how that's reported and we are now part of that reporting to the for the spikes. Um but it's still the threshold has changed a little bit but
9:36I think the the number of incidents that we have don't meet the threshold anyway. So it will not be reported on the spike map.
9:43Okay.
9:44Um at least not right now. Hopefully that has not changed and that we somehow have an uptick in those incidents and actually are on the spike alert. Um but we still have we have access to that now and can still uh report on that.
9:58Perfect. with the numbers. Oh, just curiosity is there any data um noise of uptake and unattendance in terms of
10:08yes
10:09the what you know is so social things are missing out on terms of services is it medical is what is there a trend or data seems like a lot last month or so
10:22I mean unless it is suspicious I mean we wouldn't we wouldn't hack that data keep that data Okay. Well, I mean, if it's, you know, but if if you know like a lot of it's hospice or whatever, you know, something like that, then it's more medical, right? Or if it's
10:39I mean, we probably can just get that data by reading through the incidents or speaking with the coroner or whatever,
10:44right? whichever uh you know the committee wants
10:48just just so we're not missing something that an individual's slipping grass for some kind of benefit that social benefit or some kind of balancing or something that you you know was that they missed.
11:02Okay.
11:02But it it just like I said it just seemed like a bad a bad month reason.
11:10Yes. for lunch.
11:12No, there have been uh several unattendants. We had
11:16one past weekend, I think three, was it three? Either cardiac arrest and then they they didn't survive or they were found dead and
11:31nothing suspicious. Everything that it all seems all medical, right? the circumstances.
11:42Uh, thank you. Um, you can move on to some new business if you've got anything. Otherwise, I'll
11:49I have
11:50Please, let's start there.
11:52All right. Um, I will I will mention the the parking kiosk just while I
11:58Oh, have it up. Um,
12:02a new quote and the resolution was sent to the BEA. So, that's supposed to get presented to the council at the informal meeting, okay,
12:09to move forward. Uh, I did send an email for installation of the kiosk about a time frame.
12:17It's been about a week and I haven't heard anything back. So, I will try to get that on the calendar in the near couple weeks. Um, my hope was to get it done this month, but
12:30we are at the will of the company.
12:32Oh, for installation. Yes,
12:34they install it. We don't.
12:36Correct.
12:37Okay. Right.
12:38Yes.
12:38I forgot that one.
12:39Mhm.
12:40Um bummer.
12:41Yes.
12:42Um Oh, you just reminded me of something I was supposed to bring up as well. Uh please. Yeah. Um well, thank you for the update.
12:49You're welcome. Um mass gatherings.
12:54Uh figure this was a great time to bring that up. We do have the Greater Hudson 5K um coming up on April 18th, Saturday, April 18th. Um so there'll be a communication going out with a map and just road closures and timing for that to the public.
13:13Has that been approved?
13:15It has been.
13:16That's and that is the one that closes Warren Street from the top to the bottom.
13:20Nope. That's the Hudson Mile.
13:21Okay.
13:22That is in July.
13:23Yeah. And I would hope that
13:25there's a huge discussion around that current.
13:27Yeah.
13:28So,
13:28okay. And where does the 5K take place?
13:31The 5K starts at Return Brewing from State. It's going to state crossing over Colombia to 8th,
13:39down Warren to front, front to the waterfront,
13:45looping back around, up Allen to second, back up Warren, and back around 78 Street. Do you see any problems from your end closing off uh the artery from the west part of Columbia County? So, everyone has to kind of go around Hudson. Um and the hospital and the train station and the police department and the fire department all being essentially closed off. But I guess it's a it's not vehicles. So, you could just
14:16Yeah.
14:17traffic if you needed. So my position is I kind of give what the I think safety perspective is and the resources that are needed to close off the streets,
14:30move vehicles, not allow vehicles to to leave. Um because they're not asking for both sides of the street to be cleared for the 5K. So we have to try to prevent other cars also from moving. Um
14:44they're just one lane.
14:45I I believe it's one side. one side.
14:48Let me just double check, but I believe it's just one side for this. Um, and so the 5K, I think they're asking for about an hour time frame just in case there's any walkers and lingerers. Um, and it's in the morning, so it kicks off at 10:00 a.m. So hopefully it's done and cleared out by 11, 11:30.
15:08It's a Sunday, isn't it?
15:10Uh, no, it is a Saturday.
15:11Saturday. Was this route picked before? Like usually they suggest they use the Turkey route maybe because of Harry Howard. Is that why this route was picked or is this just the route that they
15:21This is just the route that they picked.
15:24Is this your first night using
15:26for Raider Hudson's 5K? Yes. Yes.
15:31And is it is it during it go doesn't go past the farmers market right during that time?
15:37No, it doesn't go it doesn't go down Columbia. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. Um, sorry.
15:44Uh, and expense
15:48negligible only an hour. Oh, but it is Saturday,
15:52right? So,
15:52so that's over time.
15:54What is right now? I have we have a running list going of
15:58the mass gatherings that require road closures. Yeah.
16:02Um, and any overtime and costs associated with that. So, we have been billing um folks and if they agree to to pay for those extra services before it even gets sent to the office for approval.
16:19Um right now we have 16 mass gatherings that require road closures and most of them are parades, right?
16:29Some of them are races um or processions. There are a few that we have not received um I guess any response back from. Um and so those may not receive the mayor's office for approval or they will and he may or may not approve them. Um
16:50so what's the date again? Chief May
16:52for April
16:54April. So April 18th.
16:58Thank you. Do you have a rough breakdown of what um do some cost more than others for these closures or is generally all about the same?
17:07Um so what we base it off of is how many officers are working, how many officers we may need for that time frame and then uh charge that.
17:20Okay. Um could you possibly may have a breakdown or if it's not something that we're supposed I think we can make that public, but just email us so we have an idea. Um cuz going forward we all know that we're not doing too well in the coffers and um
17:37yes
17:37every penny we can save is
17:42very important.
17:42Yes.
17:43Um okay thanks.
17:44I'll send it to you send it to everybody. Um there have been a lot of concerns from um I think particularly business owners and patrons of unhoused folks and folks from the warming center either exposing themselves for using the bathroom or approaching them a little aggressively asking for money. Um, so I actually met with one of the business owners and some employees who were a little a little nervous about it. So obviously we're going to as the weather gets nicer be out more with bike patrol and foot patrol just to just to be presence
18:29um to maybe deter some of that behavior. But obviously the the warming center is going to be open for a little bit longer um and you know we have so a lot of county services here in the city. So, if there are any complaints, you know, just let us know and uh you know, we'll address them as they as they come up or send them try to offer them other services if if we can.
18:53I've only been asked. I haven't had any complaints.
18:58The police department somewhere that they can use bathroom
19:03police department use bathroom. Yeah. I mean I don't I don't I can't speak if the core officers like give them a hard time but as far as we're concerned anybody can tell me to use that and I
19:17think that's it. And
19:20when did I thought the warming shelter is going to be closing when warm weather comes?
19:25I think in May cold
19:29probably soon probably May
19:32probably end this. I think they last year I think they were open through the end of May possibly mid.
19:37Well, it depends because I had issues and it all depends on because what they were doing they were going to the hospital because the warming center was closing.
19:45Mhm.
19:46Too soon because warm weather soon as warm weather they they closed uh 7:00 in the morning and and kick them out to the curve. So um so then they would end up to the hospital and and so um unless the temperature goes to a certain time a certain uh degree uh I think they especially during the day and they close it during the day
20:07they've extended they've extended the hours
20:10through this season for um they were asking providers to come in and provide like programming. So I think that their day is longer but it does end in like early May for the season. Thank you. Um, anything else on that particular thing? Um, public comment. I've heard time.
20:36I've heard from the point that people are getting kicked out for the warming center. I don't know the particular circumstances, but apparently it's more than one. So, I don't know what's going on at the
20:47probably what the chief is speaking to a little I don't believe that those folks are u abiding by their rules of staying there is what's happening at least and fighting for one another.
21:03Um
21:05okay what do you have anything next?
21:07Uh we just wanted to uh you know give kudos to the department officers for finding the missing 2-year-old that was reported missing um last month.
21:16Thank you. Uh yeah, it was a it was a lot of work in a short amount of time, but you know, it all worked out well and everyone was safe. Um and then I'm inviting everyone here um to the behavioral health graduation on April 17th, Friday, April, April 17th by Cheryl Judge Roberts um 10 a.m.
21:40Where is that here?
21:41That is at city court. City court. there are two folks who are graduating um from that and she has extended her invitation to everyone anyone who wants to attend.
21:53Thanks.
21:55Um you have a question.
21:58I will maybe we'll take some questions here and there and we'll move on to the next issues. Anyone from the audience questions so far? Excellent. Anyone in attendance online with a question?
22:10Bill.
22:11Yeah. Um, okay. Sorry, Henry. I just had one question. Is
22:20one second, Bill. Sorry. Just a second.
22:22Okay. Yep.
22:24In the next calendar budget here, is it possible for the city to um appoint or nominate a coordinator, maybe someone that knows everyone, uh, just to streamline it and make sure there's not unlimited number and the ideal day. Um, in the past that used to be the entertainment and tourism board. Um, that was disbanded and now I think is just back under some under a different name. Or is it
22:52is it under finance?
22:54Oh yeah, that would be great. We
22:56Good question for council president. We shall pass along because that's where we used to dole all these things out. Everyone had a deadline and then approval was 30 days later at a minimum. So
23:07the application's online.
23:08Yeah.
23:09Yeah.
23:09Yeah. And in your discussion with the common council Marvin the um other cities like working with Ner um used um police budget that they subsidize for free for approved events and that's how they can nudge them to preferred gates and then if someone wants to close down the city and pay a lot of money to offset everyone's losses they can do that but the sort of um the carrot of subsidized policing means that police budget doesn't suffer and people listen to the police for the time of day, time of week, month of year.
23:44Thank you. Um, back to online. Bill, your question.
23:50You hearing me?
23:52Sir.
23:53Okay. Um, before I get to my question, I'd like to give some context to it and little history, uh, recent history about few things in town. On uh Thursday, December 18th, at the corner of Warren and Parkplace, a woman or city resident who lives on Warren Street was struck by a turning vehicle off of Warren as she was crossing Parkplace at Warren. Uh car ran her leg over, broke her leg badly. She required two surgeries.
24:28Yes. Um, and this this incident was not this incident was not um ever mentioned by anyone from the police department at uh council meetings. Um Shondaanda Franklin gave her report for December in February made no mention of this incident. In the month of February, according to the uh HPD's own uh incident report, I'd like to list off a few things that I found interesting. There were eight lararsenies in the month of February that HPD responded to. There were 14 harassments. There were two criminal mischiefs, two burglaries, two assaults, about 40 car crashes, 14
25:10trespasses, one weapons law violation, four noise complaints, 122 property checks, 12 removed persons, and three sex offenses. None of these none of these incidents
25:24were mentioned at last month's um uh common council uh this meeting the safety committee meeting but neither by chief Franklin nor Captain Miller. My question to Chief Franklin is why don't you mention anything about crime that's going on the city particularly these these things that are found in the report that your own department publishes every month. I'm wondering why you're not mentioning anything about crime in the city. Let's just say let's let's just stick with lar larseny. How many larsenies were there that HPD responded to last year?
25:58Bill, thank you very much.
25:59Last month,
26:02Bill, we're going to allow the chief to answer real quick and then that's two minutes. Thank you. We'll move on to the next.
26:07It doesn't have to be quick, does it? She can take her time. Don't Don't rush her, Henry. Could you
26:14I mean if the count if the committee would like me to respond I
26:18I haven't heard your report. I they weren't itemized or said
26:22extremely busy.
26:23It's on the piece of paper. They were all spelled out pretty clearly. I think
26:26well also when they're listed that way it doesn't mean that they're um like valid larsenies. Those are just reported incidents. Doesn't mean that the result is a lararseny or result is a criminal mischief. It's just what someone has reported. So, and we
26:42So, the burglaries didn't happen.
26:44Thank you, Logan.
26:46So, so basically it's you you're transparent. The report's out there. So, it's not like let's
26:52not break it down.
26:53I mean, for for the sake of, you know, moving the meetings along and not having here everyone here, then if you have a question on it or if the public has a question, I I will be more than happy to answer any question on any in
27:05I mean, if Bill can find it, it's pretty you can just pretty easy. I think I'm I'm happy with your response. Thank you very much.
27:12And there could be open investigation. There's a bunch of reasons. I we all have 75 emails from Bill right now. So might have
27:18Yes, the chief mentioned there was what 300 plus traffic uh just first quarter of the year and it would be like us in sitting here and breaking down each one, who got it, what the location is. It's just too much.
27:30I get it. And it's all online. If anybody has questions, that's great. Send an email to us. We'll get back to you and not heat up this time um at the committee.
27:39Question.
27:41We are next.
27:42Um
27:43uh but is that a question about this?
27:45It's it's a question for the police department. I'm just curious um regarding part part of the petition I want to talk about later.
27:54Neil, but
27:54I'm sorry. Did the alder just
27:57Neil, would you introduce yourself?
27:58My name is Neil Allen. I'm a resident of burn Washington.
28:02Okay. Thank you. Um, I'm just curious, um, since the opening of the Pockets factory, um, obviously there's a lot of concerns about parking. That's something I'll talk about later, but I'm just curious in terms of like parking tickets issued and people just not paying them because they're not people that even live here and if there's any like record of that information. I mean, we
28:29I know people that live in
28:31You're talking about specifically around Sixth Street and Washington Street?
28:34Washington Street and Prospect Street where like between alternate side parking or you know like I mean this time of year it's like two days but during the rest of the year it's it's every other day.
28:45Yeah, we would we wouldn't have that specific like location. We would have the overall data of number of tickets issued and then those were that were unpaid and those that were paid. They would have to we would have to run a special report available.
29:01Um we just put our like our parking reports online. Um but if it's something that you would want, you would have to just foil it.
29:09I see.
29:10Because it would be it would be a separate um report that we would have to generate.
29:14Yeah. I'm just curious in terms of like the amount of like outstanding tickets that are coming from that area.
29:20Yeah. in support of
29:21I mean that would be that would be good information to have
29:24and police station and get that information
29:29you have to file uh
29:32you go to the city clerk or email the Yep or email the city clerk and they will walk you through it.
29:38Okay.
29:39And Neil just let you know overall
29:42parking tickets a citywide is an issue. We have
29:46Oh, yeah. I mean,
29:48don't. So, I'm not saying that like people I know isn't the problem, but I'm just curious about the influx because of people that are coming into town parking illegally. Uh because over the last two to three months, there's just like an obscene amount of neglect for alternate side parking in my neighborhood
30:09and also handicap parking. I noticed people parking in
30:12I haven't been able to pay attention too much to specific but um but yeah I mean I think Bill brought up illegal parking and and and other neighbors as well. Yes.
30:22Um again I don't want to make this specifically about this. I just was curious about the information if it was something that was accessible to me.
30:28So okay
30:29thank you. So that unless you have any other new business
30:34I guess.
30:34Okay. That segus a little bit into I have two issues. One is um regarding something well about stop signs, but we'll get to that after.
30:44Okay.
30:44The parking issue. Um there was a neighborhood petition in the 4th that was circulated on the res for the residents of Washington North 6th and I believe Prospect Avenue as well. Prospect Street. Um yes, for um the community directly adjacent and next to the pocketbook factory and they have some parking concerns and if you would like to describe your parking concerns, we are here to be the mouthpiece to the city and
31:20sure relay and put your complaints on record and hopefully if it is a a bigger problem, maybe we can figure out a permitting if it really warrants the next step.
31:32Yeah. So, I I took the initiative after hearing a lot of like complaints in a silo um put together a position regarding overall like complaints from the neighborhood um regarding park factory. Obviously, there's a multitude of different issues that we've had since well before this was even purchased by them. Uh and you know um but regarding the parking and the traffic over there um you know a lot of people um both on Washington across the street um whether they're renters, owners, elderly people um have uh you know experienced a severe
32:09influx of like difficulty um having parking spaces near their house. Um, aside from that, uh, as I mentioned, there's just like a complete like ignoring the rules over there. Um, especially on like Thursday, Friday, Saturdays. Um, and then simultaneously, like over the last two months, I would have to say on a daily basis, there's like four cars going the wrong way up the street. um more than 50% of the time they're pulling into the pocketbook factory or um you know pulling into that area uh simultaneously coming up sixth for Oakdale or coming up
32:52six um from Warren um that leftand turn on Washington is kind of blind. um their um uh valet drop off um is used sometimes uh sometimes they just stop in the middle of the road um and there's been a multitude of instance where like someone's backed up and stopped there and then like an accident could have happened. Um I think there's also and I spoke of Bill earlier today so I'll speak for Bill so Bill doesn't have to speak. Um there's uh an issue coming out of prospect uh
33:31which is also written as an add-on to my petition uh where it's just like a complete blind uh term. Dave, I think do you live over there?
33:41You live right there, right?
33:44Is that we don't we can't do that. Yeah, definitely close to Hudson that
33:52um but anyhow that that there's multiple neighbors that say as they're coming out of there they essentially are like almost struck um by cars coming down the hill um that a lot of times they're delivery trucks um are parked right on six to make deliveries um blocking two-way traffic. Um obviously with construction there's there's been issues. I've made it very clear to the people that own the pocket factory that construction is construction. I understand it. There's difficulties with it and like there there really isn't much to complain about. Just get the job done. Um and be respectful. Um but like
34:29when they had losters there, there was the same same issue. Um but yeah, I mean there's a multitude of of of parking related and just traffic related issues that are happening over there. Um, and I have a young kid. A lot of my neighbors have young kids. They're running around. Um, and I'm I'm happy that no one's gotten hit, but like there's like people are speeding down that street. Not to say that that's pocketbook. That's kind of always happens. People are just ripping down there, but it's also like the main uh
35:02access for the fire department. I was they were they stuck around. I was curious to hear if they've ever left to go on the job and we're going down Washington and got stopped behind a valet car. Um or just someone stopped in the middle of the street double parking. Um yeah, I mean there's just a multitude of of things that the neighbors in that area are facing and some of them have joined me here today and a lot of them have signed and a lot of them weren't home design and some agreed to not sign, you know. Um would
35:36you
35:36I have further complaints over my own side personally regarding some of the noise stuff, but the noise stuff isn't a police thing. I spoke to the um code about the the the level of noise. Um he's going to come over to my house at some point and and take some measurements for me. I have documentation about the noise. Um I don't experience the like nightclub. I know the common council had done a tour with them prior to their raid or whatever. this past weekend. I honestly don't hear that from my house, but I talked to everyone on Prospect Street that said like complained significantly
36:12about like the noise. Also talked with the manager of the apocalyp factory regarding this just yesterday as he is a neighbor as well and tried to get him to sign. Um, and he told me the things that they're doing and the things they have yet to do. Um, and I'm trying to be a respectful neighbor neighbor, but simultaneously being presented with sort of like unrespectful sort of neighborly like from from them. I mean, they their claim is want to be part of the neighborhood, but yet they feel like there's been a just point blind sort of disregard for any of the issues being brought up, even though they say that they're trying to deal with it.
36:55So, that's my spiel. Sorry.
36:57I know. They're working out something uh to work out something with the parking lot.
37:01So, they have a parking lot that I think right across from the fire department. They're leasing it.
37:06Yeah.
37:06Uh during the winter time the
37:09I believe that's been passed and approved.
37:11I hasn't been approved yet. They are using it though.
37:14I thought the prior administration got that deal.
37:17So, there were some issues.
37:19The deal was uh inaccurate. I because they I if you remember, please don't. like the sizing there. There was an issue with had to go back sizing. Yeah.
37:28And the pop book factory tried to use more of the parking lot than they were originally approved for.
37:34So they were severed spots. I didn't know.
37:36So they were advised that they had to go back to the planning board for an approval process. So I mean the city may be letting them still use the parking.
37:44They are they are signed. They are
37:46they have approval for 40 spaces. Um, and if they use any more, it has to go back to the planning board, I believe.
37:54Yeah.
37:55But part of the issue that was brought to me,
37:58um, was that like during the winter time, the city actually just dumps their snow and takes up
38:04Well, that is our snow line. Yeah.
38:06Takes up half the spots. Uh, so that obviously reduces that. I was There's been mixed messages in terms of what people think or hear, whatever. Um, but I I was told that their valet parking that they offer and disclose to their the people staying there at the very least. Um is free.
38:26Yes.
38:27Of charge. Um but there is no and it is advised to them as they check in to not park on the street but park over in the lot. Um but there's essentially no control after that moment of where people go and then come back and park. Um, I think um I mean I'm not going to get into like the parking studies that were done for the Galvin project and the pocketbook simultaneously, but they were very like uh once they falsified, they were just done during a very ideal time where people that live there were at work and it was already alternate side parking.
39:05So people weren't even parked on a whole one side of the street. So, it was like claimed that there was like all this available parking in that area when there wasn't.
39:14Could you email a copy of your petition? Um, because at our last council meeting, we were thinking about looking over what was approved by the planning board. So, comparing what's in your petition to how it was approved in the planning board.
39:30Yeah.
39:31Are you still circulating it, I assume?
39:33No. I mean, I've talked to neighbors. have either dropped it in their mailboxes to reach out to myself or Piper or Clay or Jennifer.
39:42Just give it to us so we can have it
39:44for the next uh for the council meeting and we can just leave have it on the record. But uh you are describing some situations that we all kind of inherited. Um we didn't create it, but unfortunately we're going to try to have to find a solution or at least mitigate some of the problems. Obviously, you the auxiliary parking lot is a mitigation. Um it's the streets, the new sidewalks, the new curbing has still not been painted. Hopefully that will mitigate some of the blind sight um the sight
40:16issues and the blind um turns. Uh but I guess we're just going to hope DPW is tomorrow, so we can just maybe get Rob to put that at the top of his list. Um, I know I I know about the corners you're talking about. They're not painted and people just park there or they're painted small.
40:34I believe.
40:39Yeah. Um, and
40:40I mean, as far as the obviously the traffic stuff, I mean, neighbors see it, Paul. I mean,
40:47is going one way street is
40:50I know. Is there some way to add that street to um whatever
40:56type of a patrol might happen in the like in the middle of the day?
41:00Once they're done at Harry House, they could probably go go over to Washington Street. Um you know,
41:05I mean I know that Sixth and is it State that there's like accidents like
41:11Yeah, North Six and State.
41:12No, the corner where the like farmers market is, right?
41:16Yeah. But simultaneously like at the
41:19Columbia
41:23um but similar to that I I'm curious about the records in terms of the accidents any accidents that have happened at Six Prospect. I even I've never seen one that I've like and is scared to fall
41:36um because it's completely blind and simultaneously not like like many of my neighbors but my partner as well but like have got an accident coming out of Washington Street on the
41:49something about those two oneway streets. It's just like they're super blind.
41:54The parking is right up the blessing. The parking is drawn right up to the Yeah. Up to the corner. is the bragging. There's no there's nothing breaking up that
42:05it is also the height in the line. It's just like an ascendant.
42:10Um stop.
42:12Yeah, we can uh ask for some more paint hopefully to pull back some of that curbing maybe to make that site a little better. Uh it's a small fix or at least assistance. I don't I know stops on county but I do wonder if stop sign at the house there because the oneway is on that hill
42:38um at the corner of by the fire
42:42there's a subset there's
42:46I'm talking about Washington
42:50yes
42:52oh you're talking about between um where the green down the hill to
42:59Yeah.
43:00Okay. But on the drive.
43:01Oh, well that is a very wide street.
43:04Wide street.
43:05But what I'm saying what I'm wondering is if there was something there to break that drag up, would it then call attention to the alternating oneway streets? Because there are people that go down the wrong way on one ways and if they're just following their directions and have to make a turn following maps. I don't know.
43:21I don't even know one way sign at the street. I don't I don't I know Washington Street is two-way from Fifth to whatever that little weird street is. Short is a short street.
43:36Yeah. So, it's pretty clear once you get to like above fifth, it's one way all the way to six.
43:42Well, there's got to be I mean there's certain rules about stop signs. I know the one in Greenport they had to remove after 20 years because it's legal.
43:48Yeah. It's like um it's illegal to to erect a stop sign for speed to reduce speed because studies have shown it actually doesn't do that.
44:00Yeah.
44:01Look at our park right there.
44:05You know, we just can't put a stop sign because we say, "Oh, where's your speed in?"
44:09I don't think the issue is speeding. It's just people can't see. Yeah.
44:13You can't see around the corner in both of those locations.
44:16Yes. Well, something for Rob to paint for us.
44:20Okay.
44:21And um hopefully we can the weather will change and he'll get out to it soon.
44:27Because there's like an invisible stop sign when you're turning on the plane. Like some people stop, some people don't.
44:33There's cars coming around the other direction coming on the don't have a stop sign. So they're swinging that corner.
44:39Yes. So it's just like a it's a it's a awful traffic pattern in that entire like three blocks. Maybe we could make some small changes. See what happens over the next month and
44:52what what makes sense.
44:53What about those signs too that Tiffany um Gera have put up about like we care about our children, reduce your speed type vibes
44:59on maybe some of the speed limit signs. Maybe that'll just call some attention.
45:04Yeah. Um
45:05there's a lot of different traffic calm strategies even like painting something
45:10actually in the road.
45:11Um that allows them to look and realize to slow it down. So there's a lot of different strategies that they use for traffic caling.
45:21Um believe it or not, even a crosswalk is a traffic calming, especially if it's ones that are a little elevated.
45:27So I guess it all depends what would work in that area.
45:30That might be a nice thing to see on North Fifth then. crossing it or um Okay, any other questions about this particular issue or any other Yeah, sorry.
45:43I'm also a resident on Washington Street.
45:45Your name, please.
45:47My name is Stan Hman.
45:49Hello.
45:49And uh as you can see, I'm advanced stage and so I'm not behind a desk all day. Uh but I do walk my dog three times a day early, mid cloud, and at night. and I go around the pock factory each time and I can report everything that you heard is in fact happening. But what it seems to me is that there's kind of an indifference by the management of the pocketbook factory to regulate the flow around their property that their delivery trucks back up there and the
46:22congestion at that intersection of uh six and Washington is 80% of the time it's crowded. It's almost like a sporting event happening in all the carts that come at once. It's like that every day. And on the weekends, it's just it's just dreadful if you live in the neighborhood. We don't have a problem because we're at the uh the fifth street uh end of that block. So, it doesn't affect us that much for parking, but we had guests a week ago uh that were unable to park.
46:58They just couldn't park in the neighborhood anywhere. fifth, sixth uh Washington um uh prospect for Clinton. No party, zero. Both sides of the street, including on on a day when it was alternate side, and there was no police presence, no tickets, nothing. So, and that's going on all the time. When I walk around and see people in the wrong place, there are no tickets on those cars. So, seems to me it's it's a perfect place to make some money. And uh uh there really should be surprised that
47:35the managers of the Pocketbook Hotel are not here to listen to the complaints of the neighborhood. It seems to me it's also a reflection of their indifference to the problem.
47:45They were notified a few weeks ago that we would have a brief discussion on it and after I I wasn't
47:51they were notified yesterday. I wasn't called back and then the the that the next day council president Morris went and um spoke to the management and they took her on a tour and I would that does very much echo their indifference of not being here.
48:09Also the also to echo on the intersection of the six uh if you're in a car it's it really is a problem. It's hard to make the turn off of six into uh Washington. And if you're coming from Prospect going uh you know that's Prospect going towards six having to make a turn it's equally bad in that direction. Trying to cross the street with a dog is a problem especially now that the hour is closed a lot of the traffic that would have otherwise been diverted out that direction.
48:45people coming up. There's no signage to indicate when the road is closed and they they come back up Washington or they hit the oneway street can't come in there and start making turns and they get lost.
48:58Those we have requested we have requested those signs from DPW and uh through the mayor and they have told us they have put them out. So, I I don't know if it's maybe um a mitigation to try to stem some of the potential extra volume they might get from northern Joselyn and maybe off of Fair View to try to not get that flow through. Maybe they want that to go up through maybe Worth to try to get out of Hudson because a lot of those commuters would cut through Harry Howard Joselyn and out
49:31Third Street. So I I don't know maybe some of that lack of signage is for that reason so we don't get extra detour but uh it there it is definitely lacking especially in just those two streets.
49:43Right. Well anyway the the the uh the inconvenience for residents is significant.
49:51Uh thank you. Um, we're going to say that an informal meeting and bring it to the council president's attention and hopefully she and the mayor can affect some sort of short-term change between now and before weather starts to get really nice and hopefully they don't get too many more visitors and local traffic doesn't increase too much.
50:15Um, one question. You said they have valet parking.
50:18They have valet parking.
50:19Where are they parking? They're part saying it's not approved.
50:24So not approved over 40.
50:26There's like a paved area that I believe is for the Gin project.
50:30Yeah.
50:31And then there's an area that's just like dirt right across from the firehouse that when there's voting that's where people voting are, but right now it's designated for the pocketbook factory. I believe there's 40ish spots there.
50:44Okay.
50:45So they don't use on weekends like the SSS park. Uh, see.
50:50No, no, no,
50:50I don't believe so.
50:52It's that same overflow lot that DSS would use.
50:54Got Okay.
50:55You're saying if they don't if they don't park over there, they're just parking on Washington.
51:02Station will will pull down Washington Street and find the first parking spot they buy. Uh sometimes those people will get their stuff, walk to the hotel, and then I'll see walk back to their car, get in the car, and then drive away. And I'm like, "Oh, maybe they they probably told him." And I talked to the manager. He says their their front desk people are are told that they should do that. When they get an email about their reservation, it says, "Park over here at this lot, not
51:35on the neighbor streets." So I don't deny that there's some effort doing it. But like in terms of like beyond that there's like once those people leave and come back and these people are not driving like you know like 92 Accords. These are like $100,000 vehicles littered all over the street and they may not want their you know car parked in a dirt gravel parking lot.
52:00Yeah. you know,
52:02then the pocketbook factory would have to be the ones to like we couldn't enforce that.
52:07We could not enforce that.
52:08No, I I understand. I mean, but what and I I heard earlier this meeting that there's something about resident parking permit for Warren Street.
52:17We It was discussed uh last month about having a a parking permit for residents on Warren. Um but it seems as though that conversation has fortunately dissipated a little bit. Um, I've had no more complaints.
52:33Uh, people who were getting boots
52:36live.
52:37Yeah. Who live on it?
52:38Got boots because they park.
52:40Yeah. And the decision for like something like that wouldn't come from the parking bureau. That would come from the council.
52:46Yeah. And we got fortunately that's why we had these committees. So that conversation
52:50like residential park agency and it's been something that was brought. A lot of neighbors I talked to who lived here for 30 plus years have said, "Oh, captain's been wrote the council many times and it just never happens." Whatever.
53:04Um
53:05I think that I think it's more in depth than just like saying, "Hey, we can have residential parking permits." I think there's a lot of studies of like what locations, how do you how do you manage that? Um
53:17for years tried to do it by the hospital for residents because employees in hospital that was a nightmare. Yeah.
53:23I mean, I wonder though instead of doing residential parking, right, is there a way to say neighborhood parking, right? We're we're not giving a spot, but that area is for the neighborhood park,
53:36right?
53:36How do you distinguish like Yes.
53:39Well, well, again, we're talking about signage, right? So, someone might say, I you know, enforcement is another issue, but just putting it out there sign up that just says neighborhood.
53:49So, I don't know if street Well, well, again, it's the same thing as we're not there's no enforcement, but you're hoping that they're going to say somebody who comes in a hotel says, "Oh, wait. This is the neighborhood parking." That's right. They said we need to park here.
54:05Well, the neighbors some of the neighbors who have signs on their front on their lawns or and it seems as though some I've noticed a few of the
54:16people that park on that street don't always park in front of those signs. like the guy,
54:20they see it, they read it, and then you know the wife nudges them.
54:24Yeah.
54:24And then they drive up to
54:27Yeah. It doesn't have a sign because that person has a drive.
54:30So,
54:32I mean, I'm I wasn't sure how it would fly. Like I know one neighbor had like zip tied it to like a city.
54:41Well, yeah, that next thing I knew it was tied to their backs. Other neighbors have just stuck them in the ground. Um, it's a deterrent. You know, I I haven't resorted to that myself. Um, again, my I'm speaking for my my all my neighbors.
54:59Parting for me hasn't been an issue because like I either get up early or I I you know, I'm diligent about being like, "Oh, I know I'm going to be on that side of the street tonight. I'm going to move my truck there." I walked to this meeting tonight because I knew that if I drove to this meeting when I get home, I wouldn't have a spot on my side of the street,
55:18right?
55:18So, I mean, that's that's things that you just logically do as someone that lives there regularly. The problem that a lot of people are are facing is is that like not only are people coming there to park, they're just sometimes they're just going there for the restaurant. And when there's alternate senate parking, they're parked there till 10 o'clock at night and there's no leaving, right?
55:40But a neighbor come home after work and are like, "Oh, there's nowhere for me to park right now." And then they have to park far away or they park illegally and then they're the ones that get taken.
55:49Does your petitioner highlight when like the busiest times or when the toughest times for you to find parking are?
55:56I have not. No, but it's typically Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
56:00During dinner service on the weekend is what I find on your street. I mean,
56:06would suspending um alternate side parking help or hurt residents, do you think?
56:13I mean, to be honest with you,
56:15that's just a tough alternate cider.
56:18During the winter, it the alternate side parking from March to I can't remember. It's during the winter, which is
56:27April 1st to no or November.
56:29November 1st to March 30th.
56:31March 31st.
56:32Yeah. parking every single day,
56:35right? And then it's one and then it's the one night from now.
56:38As of March 30th, things have gotten a little better.
56:41Okay.
56:42But it's still bad on Mondays and Tuesdays, but Mondays and Tuesdays aren't like a hotel, nightclub, restaurant, busy night, you know what I mean? You know, so like the fact that like you could park on Angel Side of the Street on Thursday, Fridays, and Saturdays, like it helps us. But during the winter time, like a lot of residents there got tickets because they just didn't have parking. And then when they went to go to work in the morning, the cars that were there, which they know weren't aren't residents,
57:09you know, were gone. And they like I mean, ideally, if I was if I was the person running the hotel or greeting somebody and saying like, oh, you know, if you're going to park on the street, I'd be like, park on the left side of the street today because all the residents need to be parking on the right side of the street. you know, you take those spots, they don't care because if you stay here overnight, you know,
57:32you're gonna get ticketed, you know, and that's why I've been asked about the the the ticketing over there and I will do my research because like there's numerous of mornings where I wake up and all these, you know, really expensive cars are all ticketed and I'm sure these people don't I mean, either the hotel pays it for them uh during their private party a couple weekends ago or um or the people leaving just they're like
58:05whatever what is it $12 ticket or $16?
58:09Yeah,
58:09$15 ticket
58:11unless it's an illegal zone and it's 25. I mean, it's just I mean, it's it's not even enough for those people to even think about.
58:19Well,
58:20and even if it is, it's $15 to them. It's like,
58:24you know, they're going in and having like an like an advertisement like
58:28Yeah.
58:28You know, it's a $15 parking ticket.
58:31I was the valet parking. It's good sign for us. You got to take that off.
58:38I I'd hope you get um when you're done with the petition, you said you finished circulating it, but when you're fully done, I send it to Margaret or myself and I'll give it to Margaret and hopefully she can get together with Joe
58:51with you right now.
58:52Great. Thank you. Um
58:53I know. But based on just a few issues of the intersection, sight lines and the congestion, um, Chief and Captain Miller, do you have any immediate solutions in your head? Thinking, oh, maybe just a little paint here and there. Um, I know signage is adding more signs is always something that
59:15the paint is going to help a lot once Rob, you know, able to throw that down. Even the the parking factory, the manager told me there's a lot of like wayfinding and painting that they have yet to do.
59:27Okay. So hopefully that between now and our next meeting if there is a car that's illegally parked or blocking the road, call like call. We will respond.
59:37Our guys are always going. I can tell you it's like they're about to take
59:41they're in more sight
59:44you know. Yeah, I get them.
59:48Thank you. until until the paint gets done. Is there any way to do those, you know, parking signs that are, you know, that they usually do for snow removal and things like that on that corner?
59:57I think we have to still order them. They're not likely on DPW ones.
1:00:04I don't think there's really anywhere to
1:00:06We just have to We'd have to stick it into their grass.
1:00:09But it's still a public street, so you couldn't
1:00:11Yeah.
1:00:12put police No quarantine signs right. I mean,
1:00:16if it's if it's on the corners where there should be like a fire zone potentially. Yeah.
1:00:21On the corners and prospect Washington would get one.
1:00:27Someone like getting a rattle can of yellow paint.
1:00:35No, I'm not saying like does that have to go through like
1:00:40No, he just doesn't the schedule of the of the weather. He doesn't break out the paint until they they can safely and effectively and efficiently without using overtime start going like supposed to be like tearing up all the curves and replacing them anyhow.
1:00:56Not those.
1:00:57I thought there was a whole thing about
1:00:59that's a while.
1:01:00What the sidewalk reconstruction?
1:01:05Actually, I thought the city like was trying to put it on all the residents to fix their own curves. Oh, no. We did.
1:01:12I think it was an option.
1:01:13We set it all on the residents. You're all We're all paying now.
1:01:18One one section at a time.
1:01:20It's one section at a time.
1:01:23It's all
1:01:24I think that would be going to take it's going to take some time.
1:01:28Yeah, it's one concern I have technically I know is like clears a sidewalk.
1:01:35It will help in the future. It's like like am I going to get sued if I guess at the pocketbook trips and falls?
1:01:42No.
1:01:43Because the way this letter to me was that I was responsible for any non-compliance to a ADA.
1:01:52Okay. So, so here's two different you got two different things, right? Uh the landlord I mean the property is responsible for their silo
1:02:02for shoveling it
1:02:03shoveling and maintaining it, right? So my I'm going to I've been talking to Margaret and I'm I'm looking at trying to amend the law uh that we the sidewalk while we still we still have because there's a gap missing for emergency enforcement of if we're talking about sidewalks that are going to take three to five years. We can't expect our sidewalks to be healthy 3 to 5 years without some kind of intervention emergency intervention for dangerous sidewalks. We need to have something in place that if a d if a sidewalk is dangerous, it needs to be repaired. Even
1:02:38if it's not on track, you know, get repaired
1:02:41at the owner's expense or
1:02:43at at the owner's expense because they have a credit if you repair that the way the law is. You get a credit for that.
1:02:50Yeah.
1:02:51In terms of, you know, toward toward your taxes or the sidewalk law or the sidewalk bill, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the sidewalk is not open.
1:03:02United States that I can see where they survey where my property is.
1:03:05You have sidewalk in front of your house.
1:03:07Yeah.
1:03:07And it's your sign.
1:03:08Yeah.
1:03:09That's not on my property.
1:03:10The sidewalk. A sidewalk in front of your house is your property.
1:03:12It's not on my property.
1:03:15It's called an easement. The sidewalk. Your property probably some is most likely to occur.
1:03:21It's not. So that that might be um you
1:03:25that might be one of those holdovers on Washington uh when streets were a different size or something like that. And I do remember something about that years ago. There aren't many streets that do that, but I think Washington is one. I mean, I shovel my house, my neighbor's house, my neighbor's house, my other neighbor's house, my I maintain the entire side of my my street for my neighbors, but in terms of like the curb being completely destroyed and the sidewalk being a hazard, it's technically not on my property.
1:03:59Would you like to come to DPW tomorrow and ask for
1:04:02I would also
1:04:03I just don't want to get sued.
1:04:05That's a good question. suing people that the block effect like money off people that don't have money.
1:04:12Well, anybody can sue anybody, right? They would have they could figure they would have to figure it out at that point.
1:04:17Okay. L has a question.
1:04:18I'm just the city calls out the
1:04:24ement is is for for the city as an ement to use it for the public
1:04:29for repairs, for maintenance and it's on the property owner. it the the it spells it out.
1:04:37Even even a curb is supposed to be
1:04:39the corners are supposed that are damaged by the damaged by the city.
1:04:44Yeah.
1:04:44Well, that that Well, if they're damaged by the city, then that's
1:04:47that's the city.
1:04:49When the when Washington Street was dug up for the water lines two years ago, all the curbing was destroyed.
1:04:56Then, but then whoever did that permit is supposed to make it whole, right? you need to replace where whatever was teared down that in that situation
1:05:07and you can't even park close to the curb because it's tanted over in a way that if you hit it with a tire, you're going to you're going to damage your path.
1:05:17No, there's a reason why the curb is there. Again, there's the curb is there for many reasons. It's also there for drainage. It's also there to protect, right? And it's also there as a as a border to property. Now, if you're telling me that this the curbs were damaged by city hall, then that's another conversation, right? Uh and that needed to be Are they done with totally done with the with the repairs?
1:05:40Yes.
1:05:40Then that definitely should be a conversation with DBW here.
1:05:44Well, DBW last year, they came by and painted all those curves uh with the yellow with yellow name. The curbs were all laid on their spikes.
1:05:53So, they were painted in in their fallen position. They were painted. Yeah. street which is numerous times um due to like failed uh like I understand but um they would they would come in there and do work and and it would cause like other issues either with the sidewalks or the curbs or people direct you know and
1:06:18it's but the letter that I received and correct me if I'm wrong was initially saying that I was responsible for ADA compliance in front of my house on my property even though it wasn't on my budget. And then I received another letter about the curves. And then I received another letter that essentially said that everyone was getting a char uptick on their water sewer thing and it was going to cover doing this for everyone. And and
1:06:44I do not have an answer
1:06:45where the letter came from. Quote city hall.
1:06:48City Hall.
1:06:48No, you got the I think what happened was the sidewalk letter went in with your water.
1:06:55It's a separate fee for sidewalk fee.
1:06:58Yes. So that However, when it comes to ADA, right, I no even if anyone who puts in a new sidewalk has to be ADA compliant in terms of level, you know, you know, so the ADA issue is usually the corner of the curb.
1:07:15Well, this is this is just like a complete like shear of a silo. I mean, it's like a 4 inch thr that's like right, you know, right between myself and my neighbor's house. And when I got the letter, I reached out to my later neighbor and said, "Hey, like this is the letter we got. Like we might be responsible to do this." And then I received another letter saying that it was going to be built into everyone's taxes. And if you had done it like she had done hers in front of her house um
1:07:44just to make it all whole when she like had it replaced, but like this is something that was inherited and simultaneously it's not even on my property. So like I have a hard time understanding why it's my responsibility when it's damaged by either like the way the city need the road how they've done payers in the past.
1:08:04It is you're not wrong but it is unfortunately
1:08:07not for us. Okay.
1:08:08Um that is definitely for
1:08:10for DPW.
1:08:14So if if there are any more questions about is that tomorrow
1:08:17tomorrow 5:30 next. Wait. Oh is it next Monday?
1:08:20Next Monday. No, it's Is it next week?
1:08:23Yes.
1:08:24All right. It's next week.
1:08:26Um, if there are any more uh comments from anyone up here about the pocketbook factory partner.
1:08:33No. Excellent. Lloyd,
1:08:35I think it might be a smart idea to establish a block around the pocketbook pocketbook factory.
1:08:42The fun run around the pocketbook factory.
1:08:44Fun run.
1:08:45Have it all always there. So I think I think if you establish resident only permanent parking and then you would take in anybody that didn't have and you could charge nothing for it would just be a matter of going to city hall establishing you were a resident getting the permit and then you would have the additional enforcement which would be the job of the enforcement of city parking police parking enforcement but that certainly is the most logical way to address this part problem directly.
1:09:19I'm going to let the clerks know you're trying to give them more work.
1:09:23Thank you. Um
1:09:25I mean right now the neighbors policing themselves like they're neighbors that are staying on their porch and the minute someone parks in front of their house they know they're going
1:09:36they're going to start having bigger bigger dogs.
1:09:39Um
1:09:40anyway,
1:09:40well hopefully we can figure something out for you. Um, but we will repeat most of this conversation at the council meeting, but it'll probably not so wordy.
1:09:51Wasn't Wasn't Margaret going to look into something on the sidewalk because if it's a controversy?
1:09:56Yeah. So,
1:09:57on the the sidewalk with
1:09:58the sidewalk the sidewalk improvement district.
1:10:01Yeah.
1:10:02The law I think look into it.
1:10:04Fortunately, we'll leave that for her, not for here.
1:10:07Yeah. Yeah.
1:10:08Be looked at.
1:10:10It is. I don't know where we are though. I'm bring um I do have one more issue I'm going to do really quickly at the end. So if there's anybody online with a question
1:10:22we will entertain it.
1:10:27This is Bill. Can you hear me?
1:10:29Bill, you're you have the floor.
1:10:32Yeah. I just want to make a comment about um the intersection of six and um pro well prospect and six. Obviously, it's a oneway. Everybody is uh has to turn onto six. Um I live a half a block away. There was a really nasty T-bone accident there um about four or five years ago. It's one of the more dangerous intersections in the city. Um and it always ha it always has been. Now it's even worse because of all the new traffic uh because of the pocketbook, especially on the weekends. You can stand at that corner for 10 for 10 or 15 minutes on a Saturday or Sunday and I
1:11:07guarantee you will see at least two incidents where one car has to uh immediately stop before two cars meet at that intersection because somebody's pulling out and they cannot see the the the traffic coming down um from Washington Street. Now, the last thing I'll say, the issue isn't yellow paint. The I because people that park there get tickets. Yes, they get tickets sometimes, but the car doesn't leave and it's a problem if it's there. There needs to be a tow zone there. Anybody who parks there and gets caught has to be towed away. Secondly, the no parking
1:11:43zone to the left of drivers who are exiting Prospect. Um so at the north uh uh west side, that no parking zone needs to go back another parking space to to give us decent visibility. Um that's the issue. The sign has to move another parking space away. The yellow uh when the yellow paint finally comes, that too has to go uh a parking space away. And you have to put a tozone sign up. Otherwise, you're not actually doing anything. Thank you.
1:12:12Thank you, Bill.
1:12:13Thank you.
1:12:17Send an email about
1:12:21valid point. Completely valid. Thank you. Um and a good point. One more issue and then we're all released.
1:12:32Oh, let me just give the Oh,
1:12:33please. Yeah,
1:12:34I'll give the March parking report quickly here.
1:12:36Oh, yeah. We forgot.
1:12:41I thought that was the revenue and the key kiosk. Sorry.
1:12:45Yeah, I'll just quickly here. So, these reports are on your guys website anyway. So, if anybody wants to look into them more, you free to do that. So for March, we issued 3,42 tickets. Wow. Um tickets paid in March was 2,816. Uh revenue for March was over 147,000 for just the month of March, which is 21% higher than 2025. Also, I did the quarter 1 report. And for the first quarter of the year, uh, we're at 393,000 for up 20% from 2025. That's all. Oh, and we had 42 people who booted for March.
1:13:43That's all I have. Thank you. I got really close to a boot. When people get boomers, they don't come off until they pay. Have has anybody not gotten a boot off in the time there? Like the car stays, do they continue to get ticketed if the boot is still there? If if they don't pay for their tickets or get the boot removed after 24 hours it gets towed.
1:14:06Okay.
1:14:07Do we have any I guess
1:14:09that's rare. That is rare that that happens. reflecting on what the booted um members of the public that came in last month about their I don't know how to say that the people that lived on the streets who got booted repeatedly
1:14:26um brought up a payment or a not a debt forgiveness but if they can't come up with all of that fee at once have we run into any situations like that where like I need to get to work it's 600 bucks I've got 200 what do you want to do
1:14:41so they can talk to uh the parking bureau and ask for a um payment plan.
1:14:49Okay.
1:14:50We have something
1:14:51there is something.
1:14:52Okay. In rare occasions, yeah, because the tow has to be paid for them to get the
1:14:56unless we put it on.
1:14:59Okay. Thank you.
1:15:01Also, Michy talk about the new half an hour
1:15:06um
1:15:07time for the so people who know.
1:15:09Oh yeah. Um, so last month there were complaints of folks having to pay for a full hour. Um, so we requested that folks be able to pay per 30 minutes. Um, obviously if they're paying with a credit card or anything, they still incur that transaction fee to 30 minutes, but they can just pay for 30 minutes. And parking opens at 8:30 in the morning. Um, so but you're not required to pay from 8:30 to 9:00. Yeah,
1:15:38is zero from 8:30 to 9, but you can start a session at 8:30.
1:15:42What I have noticed as the consumer um using the Park mobile app,
1:15:48we get charged more on the percentage, which Okay.
1:15:52Um All right, that's fine. They're heartless and soulless and they don't want to
1:15:57Which one?
1:15:58I did say I believe it.
1:16:00Oh, that that's the lowest rate that they charge.
1:16:02Yeah. And I recently they're they're trying to amend the contract.
1:16:06Oh, yeah. charge it more.
1:16:08So, I have sent that to all of you.
1:16:11Um, I am happy with our QR code. It's a smaller fee. It's easy to use. It doesn't start until 9:00, but whatever.
1:16:21They were supposed to change that as well.
1:16:23That one didn't change as of I tried 3 days ago, four days ago.
1:16:27Both were supposed to change. So, all right.
1:16:29Which one was it?
1:16:30The QR code. Um, but cheaper for our residents and visitors. Um, so I'm excited to use cash again.
1:16:39Um, but that, yeah, that was just the one court because it just didn't open up before 9.
1:16:44Okay.
1:16:45No biggie.
1:16:45We did ask them to all open up before that.
1:16:49Um,
1:16:50I would I'm sorry. Real quick, please. When those cards, you said you have cards for parking.
1:16:57Yeah, we have we have printed out um like they're the parking signs, but they're printed out. and does it have the QR code on upgrade. I think that's another great I think that's something that people should know that can they do to it like
1:17:08there's a lot of businesses that have been um posting it up too. I think city hall I think had well they had one yeah they have one in their window
1:17:15and ZPW does give out signs to businesses they can put in the in their shop as well.
1:17:20Okay. Uh the mayor brought up to um council member Foster and I, he's the DPW, so we had a little meeting about signs and what the mayor would like to see for changes in the future for safety.
1:17:37And he uh wanted to talk about a stop sign amending the local law for making stop signs illegal or sorry stop sign. I'm reading my notes and I'm not speaking. Um, making right on red illegal in Hudson and um, statistics show that pedestrian incidents go down dramatically when right on red is illegal. I I think we all have our feelings about maybe getting through town a little quicker with red on red, but there are definitely certain intersections where it is
1:18:14insanely dangerous, like going south by the Masonic Lodge on Union and third,
1:18:20going north sixth by the Presbyterian Church.
1:18:25Um, just behind the
1:18:29Sorry,
1:18:30Lutheran. No, that that one's Lutheran. Are they both Lutheran? Six Hudson Roman.
1:18:35Okay. Well, whatever it used to be. Yeah.
1:18:37So, the the Rockefeller Church.
1:18:39Yes. Right.
1:18:40Um, that one is crazy dangerous because you never see that and it's a truck route. Um, so I do understand there are certain places that would make a lot of sense to have it. Um uh but maybe
1:18:54maybe we'd come up with a list or put of
1:18:56a list of locations we put signage for it rather than a complete local law change, but wanted to bring it up.
1:19:05Fourth and Columbia.
1:19:06Yeah,
1:19:07I was thinking of North six in Columbia.
1:19:10Fourth in Colia is
1:19:13seventh is there's a lot.
1:19:15Yeah, there are numbers. So he wanted us to at least just discuss it. Um he did present us with a little bit of data only street third street
1:19:29uh but it will come up again at next points DPW and then again at council. So if you have any suggestions between now and then that would be greatly appreciated. Yes.
1:19:39Um or uh unless you read the data on having no right-hand turns in a municipality and realizing oh maybe our pedestrian incidents might go down. So whatever your recommendation is would be great grateful for it.
1:19:53Was that um I don't think I have anything else. Anything else from other council members? Awesome. Any more from the audience?
1:20:05Well, thank you all for coming. Anyone online? No. Uh, who is it?
1:20:12Oh, Bill, do you have any
1:20:16I think it's past time, right? Yeah, we're we're good. Bill, are you good?
1:20:23Oh, do you want to Yeah, let him Let him If he has his hand up, we'll make another quickie.
1:20:32You're on, Bill.
1:20:35Bill, did you have
1:20:36Okay. Thank you. I'm going to I Yeah, I have a quick question for Well, no, not doesn't have to be quick. A question for Captain Miller about uh overnight parking. I live on a street that's got overnight parking every night every night of the year. Got to be sure I'm on the correct side. I'm wondering, Captain Miller, considering how important overnight parking rule is and ticketing of cars for a number of reasons. How is it possible that there are any streets in the city that don't have the rule?
1:21:04And I I'll give two examples if I could. Obviously, State Street has obviously State Street has the rules.
1:21:10Logan, would you mind? I already answered already answer
1:21:14on the phone on an email in person or not. It's like groundhog day here.
1:21:19It is. Thank you, Bill. Um, I did read those emails, too. That was appreciate it.
1:21:25Um, well, thank you all for coming and this is exciting. Yeah. Motion seconded and we're ajourned.
1:21:31It is 11 minutes to 7 o'clock.

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