Common Council Safety Committee Meeting

1. 0:46You're right. Okay. May 4th safety committee meeting. Uh our chair Andrew is not here today. So I'm running. I'm the chair today. So first we have five. >> Okay. Um for the month of April, we had 29 total calls. Uh four were uh fires. Couple of them, three of them were uh one was a burn barrel down the 200 block Columbia Street with construction waste in it and a couple were uh trash and like uh brush fires. the one chimney fire. We have five hazardous situations which includes fuel spills, power lines down and car accidents. We had 17 no emergencies which we either requested, mutual aid and cancelled or alarms and
2. 1:51direction was 20 for a total of 29. For the year, for the quarter, we have answered 125 calls, which is uh up by 19 from last year. >> Is there any uh time table on the boat? Is that in already? >> No, it's in the firehouse. >> Is there a time table when it's going in or >> maybe when it's not going to rain? Supposed to rain all weekend. Yeah. >> No, they're they're uh they're finishing up some work that's been going on through the winter. Uh getting some stuff >> mounted. Uh they're taking it out to the county training tower or show and tell for the uh county I think Wednesday night >> chamber of commerce. And then I I would say next weekend. >> Mhm. >> Um hopefully as long as everything's done. Um we were waiting for some parts from the manufacturer that just came in
3. 2:56uh two days ago. >> Okay. >> Friday. So >> once they're once they're on, we'll get it back in order, but it's ready to go. >> Yeah. >> If we get a call, we're we're going. So >> and the new truck is in production. Uh we got a picture of it the other day. >> That's a tease. >> Yes. Well, no, it's actually it's better than nothing. Three years. Yeah. So, >> um the cab is ping it. Uh sitting outside in nice sunny Florida. >> Um that should be coming up to New York >> out to Hamburg within the next two to three weeks. >> And expected delivery to New York to the dealer is mid July. Um, and then we should have it. Everything goes as planned. It will be at the firehouse mid August. >> Oh wow. >> And in service within a week or two, there's not much learning curve on this one. >> Mhm.
4. 3:57>> Um, so as long as we have enough guys, we'll get in service pretty quick. >> So I would say second if anything goes as planned first or second week of September, it'll be it'll be answering alarms. Oh, great. >> It's the same category. Oh, no. It's different one this time. >> It's It's a rescue. It's a rescue engine. >> Um, so we have this truck set up to be specific for the alleys. Um, that's kind of how we designed it. It's a little bit shorter, shorter wheelbase um than the old one. So, we can get in and out of alleys. Has a lot of holes and a lot of water for quick attack through the back >> um should it need it. That's also the rescue has the rescue tools on it and be our fast truck for mutually as well. >> That's it from here and anyone in public any comments question? No online? >> No. >> All right. Thank you. >> A quick shot.
5. 5:05All right, Ben, you have uh one question for you. >> Henry Hijad's not here. >> No, he's not here. >> Okay. Um I noticed a few months ago, maybe over a year ago, that the uh fire hydrant, which is now directly across the street from the depot loss, is uh out of service. It's tagged out of service. My question to uh Nick or anybody who's with the fire department there is would you prefer that that fire hydrant be in service? >> Bill Martin's been asked and answered. It's not being answered again. >> I'm I'm asking about that. >> You heard Bill. >> Yeah. >> I'm asking about that fire hydrant in particular. >> Asked and answered. >> Okay. >> When When did you answer? >> Nick, when did you answer about that one? emails. >> Yeah, I mean I can go back to emails and everything else, Bill, and meetings and everything else. So that's it.
6. 6:07>> Why Why don't you just repeat what you >> multiple times? >> Thank you. judge that >> for the public's knowledge. Um, public comment and answers from the department are at the discretion of the chair of the meeting and if a question has been addressed multiple times in previous meetings, we don't continue to address the same questions. >> Thank you, Claire. >> We did. >> All right, Chief is the fire department now. Okay. >> Yes. Uh, Chief Franklin is away at school, so I'll just be doing the reports for today. So, for April, we had zero defensive action reports. For arrests, we had 50 arrests for April and 59 charges related to the arrests. We had 11 emotionally disturbed persons calls and we had zero overdoses or expected drug use calls. So
7. 7:12no um no OD deaths or arcan was administered. Also for April, HBD responded to 9 922 incidences. >> The shelter is closed now, right? >> Correct. Correct. >> Right. So that's that for section nine. The body warrant. I'm sorry. >> When can we ask questions? >> U for the body warrant camera supervisor reports. There's nothing to record on there out of the norm. And I'll just do up the parking report here. For April, we issued 3,570 tickets. And I have a typo here, but in April, 2,860 tickets were paid at $63,675. uh the revenue for April for 2025 with 111,000 or correction yeah 111,000
8. 8:15and for this year was 144,000 so we were up 23%. And that's all I have for my reports. >> I have a question and a constituent concern. Um constituent concern is um who how often do the speed radars get checked to make sure that they're working or like the um the speed radars and the crosswalk signals. >> Um we don't HPD does not check that. >> Okay. Um, however, I did want to report that we had zero pedestrian accidents for April and zero on roadway accidents involving pedestrians as well, which I think is a great job. I also want to know I think that DPW I see them out there doing the curbs and they're doing a great job and making sure safety is so to have zero is pretty pretty good for city. Good. >> And then the question I had was around the um maybe it can go back to park mobile. I know that people have access to go to the park um parking bureau and
9. 9:18fight tickets if they think they're inaccurate, but I wanted to just highlight that I witnessed somebody get a ticket after um putting in on the app and paying and then like moments later got a ticket because it didn't register the correct parking zone. >> Um and I've had multiple people bring that to my attention, but I don't know if that's something >> actually that we can figure out. Yeah, that is on our radar and that is an issue we are working on. Other than that though, parking is going great. But yes, that that is a concern. >> Maybe we can Yeah, we've been talking about delay the time so that it's not right on that mark because that's what's causing >> and it's something between like there's a different there's a different zone on the app than when you use just the regular QR code. And that I think that's also >> okay >> confusing the people in the parking enforcers. >> Thank you. >> Is that is that under residential complaint on on the agenda is residential complaints and petitions. So, is that what we're covering now? Is
10. 10:22is the parking things that >> that wasn't my addition to the agenda, but I'm wondering if um the if he's referring to the petition around the pocketbook factory parking. >> Okay. >> But he's not here. So, um >> yeah, we're aware of that as well. Yep. >> I'm done. >> I'm done. We have what? Um, well, we going down the agenda. >> No, there's a public comment for >> Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. public comment. >> So, two questions now. One, where are the radars for speed? >> Well, there's one. >> Go ahead. >> No, no, it's your meeting. I'm sorry. >> No, no, that's fine. You You could answer this. >> So, there's one on Harry Howard. >> Okay. >> Okay. And there's one on Glenwood. And and is there one on a word of that? >> And it's and it's only a SP it's not a it's a radar let me know how fast you're going. It's it doesn't do anything
11. 11:25ticket wise. >> Oh, sure. Yeah. You got to have Paul that. And do you track speeding tickets? >> Expl. What do you mean? Like >> how many speeding tickets do you clock? >> Yeah. Um I did the quarterly quarterly report for January, March. I don't have it with me right now, but it's on >> What's the general number? >> You can just >> I want to think I want to say that we I can't remember off the top of the head, but um let's say 250 for a quarter 200 250. >> Where are the majority of those roughly? >> I just don't know that with my top of W. >> You don't know what word? >> I don't >> per area. No, because it's all over. Well, it's a two-m It's a two-mile, you know, radius city, you know. >> So, how many speeding tickets potentially do you think you've actually assigned to people on Warren Street? The entire length of war?
12. 12:27>> I I don't have >> No. >> Is that a That's a concern. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's why you can >> Can you address yourself this concern? your your name and >> sure Brent Fer and I'm a resident upon Warren Street. >> Yeah, you so that data will be right on the website, >> but the quarter report report for traffic is right on there. >> Okay. >> With all that information with each location, every locations also, >> correct? All of it. Y and you can go back. We've been doing that for years. You can go back to whatever quarters that you want. But also as it warms up, you'll notice like bike patrol is out in the Warren Street area more. So, you know, and the the speed limit, how long ago was the speed limit dropped to >> 20 in the city? >> Since 20 >> 25 >> 25 >> and that follow question that is um all of my understanding all of them top to bottom is 25. So whole cities 25ard 25
13. 13:32>> right I'm just asking about more street >> it's 25 >> right okay >> anymore >> just curious we don't have like any extraordinarily fast would that be the the exception someone like 100 or something crazy like that you don't run into too much of that do you >> no I've been here 26 years we never had that I've seen someone going 100 in the city of Hudson only because of the layout. >> Yeah. >> You know, when you're going, you know, 30 miles per hour, it seems fast, especially, you know, around people walking, riding their bikes, kids, you know what I mean? Because it's a city. >> Yeah. Word coming in the city. U >> well, >> Bay Road, >> right? just to point >> I want to give you a point of order just so that you're aware because I don't think you've been to a city council meeting since this term has started but the rules of order are um director question like no more than two uh two items per comment and we try to prevent
14. 14:38a back and forth with the people on the committee but if you have another follow-up session we'll allow it in >> if you have written if you want to submit a written concern to the committee we can also put it on Oh, well I was chased so bad. >> Yeah. >> Do you have any other comments? No, other than um 30 miles an hour, the difference between 25 and 30 miles an hour, as I'm sure the officer would attest, is huge, especially when you have so many more people using our streets, using the sidewalks, joggers, bikers, and as you said, >> um it's a huge difference and people are driving faster than 30 mph. So um Captain are we are you using um radar >> radar? Yeah with radar and our officers are trained in.
15. 15:40>> Yeah. >> I just don't have the number off the top of my head for that. Like if you were here last month I had the sheets in front of me and that's all. >> Sorry. I don't want to give you information that. But we do write a lot of tickets. Like I said, um having zero pedestrian accidents almost for a half a year to me is is showing that we are doing our work and that DPW is also doing their their side of painting and putting up signs and everything else. So I'm proud to say that actually >> and this is the last thing I can say promise. So, the only thing I would say to that is that I've talked to several people within the last two weeks who've all said they've almost been clipped, including Jason. So, especially at Seventh and Park, >> right? >> You're tracking people that have been hit, >> right? >> I can give you literally the names of people that have come within inches of being hit. >> And I think it might be more of a more than more than a speeding issue. I think the mayor has made his priority like
16. 16:42safer crosswalks and make maybe making the signage for, you know, pedestrians and to look out for pedestrians more visible. I think that's going to do a lot for the issue because, you know, new people coming into the city. We have people driving the wrong way on one runways. That's also a concern. Some of the some of the people are not abiding by pedestrians in the crosswalk. Um, so you know, making some of that signage more visible and, you know, stronger crosswalks, I think, can also help make the city a more drivable and safer city. >> And I think they're doing that. And you're right, we don't collect almost accidents. We don't >> Well, you know what I find frustrating? I'll be at a corner and I'll be standing and waiting and then so the driver will see me standing there and they'll actually have the light away and the light and they'll stick for me to go. He conflicted >> that's more d I agree that that's more dangerous but that's like rule out that >> can't make people a lot of people do that. I'm like no please just go and let
17. 17:46me go behind you after you clear the bed. You have Margaret, did you have a question or comment? You had your hand up. Now it's down. >> Yeah, sorry. I had my hand up earlier because a question had to come up about parking, I think, around pocketbook. Is that correct? The petition. >> No, no, no. We are not talking about that yet. >> No, I thought that had to come up. Somebody referenced it earlier and I was going to give an update, but if this is not the appropriate time to I will hold on. It's f there's a there's a resident position further down on the agenda. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Sorry. Okay. So, Dan, when you get to that, I just do want to make a comment. Okay. Thanks. >> Okay. Thank you, Mon. And then your second one is Bill. >> Okay. Bale. >> Yeah. Um, as I understand it, um, at least uh, starting a few years ago up in, uh, Chief Ed Moore said that it's not possible for the cops to use radar guns
18. 18:49downtown, that uh, they actually don't do any ticket speeding tickets uh, downtown. And uh, Captain Miller, you're are you saying that HPD officers issued 200 to 250 speeding tickets last month? Is that what you're claiming? >> No. For the first quarter of the year, um they I I believe it was around that 200 250 might be more for the first quarter. >> So for the first quarter, that's three months. So you're writing about about little less than 100 speeding tickets a month. >> Yeah. Whatever that Yeah. Divide that number >> and that's on that's on the monthly report, right? >> No, that's we do that. bald-faced lie and you know it. Captain, >> what what what part? It's not in the section 9. I think that's what you're asking. >> The just so you guys know, these reports that we have here are not our reports per se. These are what you guys asked
19. 19:51for in the past. So if you guys want more, I'm not talking about film. >> I'm talking about if you guys want more, you can just ask and we can give it um monthly. >> But this information in our website already, right? Correct. Yeah. So, Bill could go on our website and take a look. Okay. Now, on the agenda, we have you don't have anything old business, right? That's it. I think >> that's it. Okay. The new business truck road enforcement. Now, I think you know anything about it. >> Truck enforcement. >> Yes. No, I mean other than the fact that the guys are training to do it on the truck route and other places they see car trucks off the truck route, they're advised to enforce that. >> Yeah, we see a lot of truck going in like skinny road, you know, like a union instrument and stuff like that. So, I mean you guys monitor those stuff or no just >> Yes, the officers are tickets or they just got >> right. It's under their discretion
20. 20:53whether they want to write a ticket or not because it's a it would be a violation Hudson city code or traffic. So they will use their own discretion >> with dealing if you know they might decide that if someone was out of the area and ran off the truck route that it might not you know be beneficial to write a ticket. So they will give a warning whatever they feel is right at that time. you. >> I've just been I've seen particular constituent concerns around increase of trucks off of the truck route are getting stuck going the wrong wrong route. Um 7th at the square, trucks are making wrong turns or when they're coming down state instead of Colombia. Um I've seen that a few times myself over the last couple months. So maybe an increase of awareness and enforcement could be helpful right now. >> Margaret with her hand up. I don't know if she has about the truck. >> Yes, I do. I do have a comment. Yes. So Dan, uh Jason and I are in touch with
21. 21:57DOT. So I want to clarify something about the truck route. Um I guess over a year ago as you know because you were on the committee um we identified the fact that the only access that we need to provide for through trucks is access from 9 to 9 on either side of town uh to 23 and to 66 on that's on the uh eastern end of town and we do not have to provide access beyond the warehouse on the other side of town. Um we are now working to try we have to put signage up to put that in place. Uh I think the issues there are two kind of separate issues here. The actual truck route for non uh in Hudson delivery is limited to going to the warehouse on 9G and then the uh eastern end of town connecting 9 to 9. It's HPD can't really do much to enforce that until we can get
22. 23:04signage agreement from DOT which Jason and I are working on. And I think some of the issues that y'all are bringing up and Claire what you have brought up and I have seen myself. I had a a truck going the wrong way on Fifth outside my house uh on a one-way street two days ago going up fifth to turn going uh north on Fifth oneway street uh to turn right on Warren. Um that's the kind of non-compliance with traffic that we can address right now. But at the moment, uh, until we can get some some, um, uh, mileage out of, if you will, pardon the pun, out of DOT to put in signage, um, we're kind of in a holding pattern on actually enforcing our true truck route, which does not in fact include Columbia Street. So, you know, >> most of the concerns that I was constituent highlighted are like semi trucks, not
23. 24:06>> Yes. Yes. >> Double trucks. They're semi trucks. >> Yeah. So, what you what you're seeing is even when we get this the the um no food truck stuff, what we are seeing in town is um vehicles that should not be on state. Even if they are, you know, unless they're delivering something to state, they shouldn't be on state. Um, so I think I think over the next couple of months we can try to nail this down so that the police department will actually have something that they can say, "Okay, this is the rule. This is the signage. Uh, you're not supposed to be on this road." Um, the case that I observed two days ago on 5th was just a clear traffic violation that had nothing to do with truck routes. It was just somebody driving the wrong way on Fifth. But I think um you know we are working on it and hopefully we will have more to report on that soon. But just Jason's uh committee is working on that. >> Thank you Mar.
24. 25:13>> Okay. On next agenda we have uh we have noise complent from the pocket factory. Lot of noise complent. Did you heard any pumping on the thing? >> I don't know off the top of my head that either. Uh I would suggest that they call HPD if they feel the noise is loud and they can handle it accordingly. Again, the officers will use their discretion on whether they're going to issue a ticket or not for noise. >> Yeah, it says something about decibel the meter decel meter you guys have in meter to check. >> Yeah, there was question. There's something going on with that too. Um, I don't know if the decimals are wrong. Um, some of them just seem too low, if you will. They don't seem right. So, there is another section that they don't need that. So, they really don't need that machine. There's a whole different section in the code that for noise that they wouldn't even need that uh machine to do it. If it's unreasonable noise, repeat it. It's a
25. 26:17different section. It was really not necessary is what I'm saying. >> You have any question on that? Have a noise complaint? >> I don't I think it I think it got put on the agenda because the concerned constituent um is looking for some resolution around like what is enforceable. Um so that's more of the question, but if we don't have the answer right now, >> repeated noise. Um so if they go there once, they're asked to turn it down. If they go there two or three times and it's, you know, repeated, they could issue a ticket. But again, the officers are going to use their own discretion of whether or not they're going to enforce that for whatever. Each situation is different. I can't I wouldn't feel comfortable as commander saying you will write a noise ticket each time when there might be valid reasons. >> And I think the the concerns that have been repeated in the petition at least are not necessarily like loud music. It's the machinery >> of the popular factory is
26. 27:20>> creating continuous >> continuous noise. >> Yeah, I know CH used to have a unit that would run for their hospital and it be the same concern and again there was certain you couldn't shut it down because then patients wouldn't get their service. So again, I don't know exactly what it is that >> Yeah, I think I think that's the question we're asking for um resolver on maybe maybe for next meeting because that is what is in the petition that is uh at the common council meeting Sean came and responded from the top of the factory came and responded that they're within the range but the neighbors are reporting that they've been measuring the decibb and it's outside of the range. So we're trying to mitigate what is >> right >> the resolved there >> right and I think there might be a problem with it sound levels actually >> Margaret >> yes I just wanted to give an update following the last council meeting um I had gone back not relating to the noise
27. 28:23issue but relating to the parking issue and uh I believe I sent an email to all members of the council I do not relieve uh Captain Miller that I had sent uh I copy the HPD on this. Uh I went back and researched the situation uh with regard to parking the pocketbook factory uh per the requirement of the certificate of occ uh and the planning board requirements. They purchased 40 permits uh for 2025 for parking and then they they have a signed lease with the city that is currently being amended uh because there were some issues around exactly which spaces they could occupy from DPW and from the fire department that is in process. Um but with regard to the requirement that they provide, they are currently using the space behind the fire fire uh house uh but with regard to the parking requirement that they had uh from the planning board. They are in
28. 29:26compliance and I just wanted this committee to be aware of that. I did send an email out fairly broadly uh to everyone after I researched that. >> Thank you Margaret. And to go back to the noise, I think it's like an enforcement act and also a code enforcement question. They don't come to a specific committee meeting. So I think we as a committee need to have a conversation of code enforcement. >> I I Claire, I completely agree with you with on that and I have started that conversation. Uh the issue around the noise is as Katherine Miller has indicated it's not and I think other people here have said it's not the loud music etc and you have said it's the mechanicals >> and uh actually the mechanicals from I've talked to multiple people who've been measuring it they fall below the threshold but the problem is that an ongoing hum of noise is not the same
29. 30:30thing as loud music, you know, for 30 minutes, right? And so I think that's that's where there is a disconnect here, but from what I have seen, they appear to be in compliance from the information I have been given. >> Okay, >> question. Tennly, the front porch was right. The neighbors for some reason when they redid their house they put the HVAC just the in the back of their house point which is right at our front porch. So I've experienced this. I don't know how hard is a convenience or consideration we can encourage the box book factory to build in some baffling noise baffling is a is a the word is a consideration is a kindness but because I know that what they're talking about the hum it's kind of weird because it comes off it comes on it comes off it come off like >> yeah and I don't know if they already
30. 31:33have any of that >> I think they're in compliance my understanding they're in compliance with planning board and code. So signed off on all that. So they are they've already done those things >> and see that's why we wanted when I said >> can they do more better? >> I think that's like that's the pocketbook's discretion once the project is approved. So I think that that's the next step conversations between code enforcement neighbors pocketbook. That's sort of where we are right now and I've been in that situation. It's kind of frustrating >> and it sounds like they're in compliance with parking as well, right? >> Well, see, this is the this is where we're at with the factories. >> Okay, we have to stand up. Ronald, >> uh, yes, thank you. Uh, in relation to this question of the sound problem at the pocketbook factory, after the meeting of the council where one of the neighbors brought up the question of sound levels, I I looked at the uh planning board portal and I think in the
31. 32:38final agreement uh to allow the project to go forward, there is a reference to a sound mitigation plan and I tried to see if this was published anywhere on the uh planning board site and I did not find it. So I guess this would be a question for the planning board if there is such a plan that was approved as part of the agreement. Is is this in writing anywhere? Thanks. >> Thank you. I'm trying to infer that the IDA has a pilot and there might be considerations as that they in that pilot agreement. >> Yeah. And I think what we were saying at the council meeting is that it wouldn't actually go back to the planning board. it would now be on code enforcement to be enforcing what they what has been approved. So >> the question is actually at the code enforcement office and if they're below the threshold then >> for what they were approved for then there's not >> anything to enforce. >> So I would say >> could I speak could I speak to what
32. 33:42Ronald just brought up? >> Yeah. So um there are two separate issues here and CLA is correct. Uh once the planning board has approved it and they were given their certificate of occupancy then the certificate of occupancy by definition means that the code enforcement went through and checked off everything that they were required to do. And at that point it is then up to code enforcement uh going forward to ensure that they are abiding by what was agreed to. but they would not have gotten a COO without meeting all of the requirements. And so I think on the subject of noise and sound, uh, the mitigate I have not, Ronald, I have not seen that mitigation plan that you're talking about and I can go and try and find it, but when I did a tour with them a couple of weeks ago, um, they showed me all of the things that they have in place to mitigate noise whenever they have an event. They have screens that they put up in the
33. 34:44windows to prevent noise. They have a sound engineer who monitors sound uh outside of the the venue uh one street over and so forth. So I think from the point of view and listening to the residents, it does not appear to be an issue with noise from the events themselves. I think the bottom line here is the noise from the mechanicals. um which was probably not part of that sound mitigation thing. Now, our our thresholds uh for sound uh at night in the in the area where they are, and they're I think I don't I don't recall whether they're residential or mixed residential, commercial, but our threshold is I believe 45 dB at night, which is um you know, it's it's pretty low. But, you know, I think it comes down to is are they are they exceeding that? Are they not exceeding that? But it really does come back to code enforcement to look at
34. 35:46whether that whether that's working or not. But I do know that they did put in uh a number of mitigating um strategies specifically for sound emanating from the venue uh when they were having events. And and what we're not hearing from residents is that the events are creating noise as in music and so forth. So that appears to have worked but I think it's as Claire has indicated the real issue for the residents is the uh mechanicals. >> Thank you. >> Excuse me. Could I just uh respond to that if I may? >> I did raise my hand again. Uh I I understand that this has to do with the mechanicals and not with events. What I'm wondering is first of all if this text exists uh this mitigation plan in writing and
35. 36:49if it's available anywhere. I I agree that now it it'd be in the hands of code enforcement. But I wonder if there if there is a such a plan in writing if it has anything to say about the mechanicals and ongoing noise and if this there's supposed to be some provision for the measurement of ongoing noise in this plan that that's all >> Ron Ron I can follow up on that and try to track that down. Okay. Thanks. >> Do we have any question? I got to have a DPW. >> Okay. Yeah. Okay. Now I know the on the agenda we have the DPW you know complete the stop sign and the you know the all the sign on the curb and painting. >> Yeah. So, um, DP DPW it's on a schedule
36. 37:53to do the the uh they they're only responsible for the yellow paint on the corners. Uh, the handicap uh signage and the handicap painting is on pocketbook. City doesn't do that. Uh, so uh pocketbook is had to reorder the sign. That should be on because it's a wrong sign for the handicap parking on Prospect's side. Uh that should be on Thursday and hopefully the painting repainting of the handicap spots should be done um by the end of the week. So the other DVW like the DVW is only the yellow curve corner see that it did paint the carbon. >> Yeah. And that's going to help a lot. >> Yeah. That painting is going to help. >> Yeah. >> People you don't know what now it's look better too. Yeah. Any question? Public. Okay. Any question?
37. 38:57Anyone else? No. >> Anyone online? >> No. Nobody online. >> Do you say you do 900 a month? >> 922 incidences for the month of April. >> Like 30 a day. >> Yeah. It kind of explains why certain things might not be as high as you may want to because we have a lot of uh priority calls, a lot of domestics, a lot of things that we handle uh more than just parking. >> Are there a lot of repeats that are like revolving into perpetual? >> I mean, of course, I think that's normal. We have a lot of repeat offenders. Um but sometimes we'll run a shift with two guys, >> right? >> That's it. and they're doing they're running call to call to call. So, they're doing the best they can and they're doing a great job and just like DPW and the fire department, I think you guys are very lucky to have I watch I live here and I watch what they do and I think >> it's awesome. I know it's not we we can do better, but >> yeah, go ahead.
38. 39:59>> And you guys, too. >> I'm not just saying that. I I live here and I'm very I know there's little issues. I call little, but I we could have bigger problems because I worked here and we had bigger problems. So, >> heard. So, it's all Kia system been installed on >> No, that it's taking a while. Is >> that a dead issue? >> No, they're working on it. It's um it's getting worked on. >> How many we already installed? >> I think they wanted 10. 10. >> Yeah, 10. >> Yeah. >> And more 16, right? >> Yeah, I believe there's six right now. >> So, they want 10. Yeah, I think it's 10. >> There's something on the agenda. I don't know if you addressed the uh your the HBD's opinion on the citywide new turn on red. Any thought? >> Yeah, that one I saw a email from the mayor. I mean something like you don't want to you saw the email. >> No. >> Yeah, something. >> You want to do it? >> Yeah. >> He doesn't want to do it >> something. I'm not sure. But look, >> can you suggest something?
39. 41:02>> Do you know anything about it? No return on. >> I know you guys discussed that. >> We discussed it and >> we can leave that for the chief. >> But yeah, >> my opinion on that >> chief. Okay, >> I'll try. >> But I I have seen pedestrian pass. We really don't need this. >> Hey, uh Margaret, do you you know any permission about that? >> Yes. Yeah. I I just want to make a comment on the no turn on on red. Uh if this committee wants to make a recommendation to the full council, uh what I would recommend is that if you are recommending and having the council discuss that process, uh it can then go to legal and as we did with reducing the speed limit to 25, we can work on uh local laws to change that to no turn on red. And for what it's worth, when this first came up, um my immediate response was, "This is ridiculous." Uh because we have very short blocks and there are stop signs
40. 42:04and red lights and I come down sixth and turn right on Warren all the time and I can see all the way down to the Presbyterian Church. And um then a fellow council member said, "No, hang on. Give it a shot. See what you think." And so for the last 3 or 4 weeks, I have been treating every red light as a no turn on red. And it actually makes very little difference to my life. And if indeed it improves safety, I'm fine with it. But it'll be up to this committee to see if you want to make a recommendation to the full council. Full council will discuss it and if the council wants to move forward, then legal committee will write the necessary legislation. But I had a small conversation about it. We talked about the fact that the most dangerous stop lightss already have a no turn on red >> and that was >> that was exactly my initial response cla was you cannot turn right on red at uh fourth and state for example and one of
41. 43:09the things I would have been interested in was how many accidents have there been uh where a vehicle was making what is currently a legal right turn on red involving a pedestrian. How often does that happen? So, yes, >> we had zero pedestrian accidents on the roadways this year. >> Exactly. >> Again, we don't keep we don't keep track of almost. So, that's the >> Yeah, >> that could be one of the issues. >> Yes, you Yes, you're going to have situations where somebody makes an illegal right turn on red because the intersection is not safe and they should not have done that in the first place. But um yeah, my initial act reaction cla was well have there been any accidents and we already if it's a dangerous turn then we should put signage up no turn on on on red. Um but just from a day-to-day practical point of view um I've been testing it out and haven't really seen much of an issue. But I I'll leave it to this committee to make a recommendation
42. 44:12to the council and depending what the council wants to do, legal can take it up and and work on on a local law. >> Okay. Well, it all comes back to also the drivers obeying those laws because on Tuesday on way home from the meeting, we were coming up four street and somebody's coming down one way street. So, it's all depends on somebody obeying the laws too. >> Yeah. Uh question operation uh >> so I was wondering do you because I keep hearing reoccurring statements but we don't keep track of all accidents, right? Would it would it really make sense to do that because like it wouldn't make sense to do that
43. 45:15in general, right? >> We just wouldn't have means to do it. I I suppose if that person would call to say, "Hey, I almost got in an accident, but they don't people don't generally that's not something people really do, right? They're just happy you didn't get hit and they move on with business and each party goes on their way." So, we wouldn't we wouldn't have that. Like, it just doesn't exist. You don't tie up manpower either, right? >> I mean, you would have someone sitting at a intersection watching it. Maybe that whole day nothing nothing would happen, right? Because it's just >> Yeah. >> It's like rolling the dice. We don't know when it's >> right. >> I mean, we drive around, okay? Like >> Yeah. >> And there's not like if the police saw something like that, they're going to stop anyway. Hey, are you okay? You know, so that generally doesn't happen either. But Zade, like to your point, that's that's usually where like constituent concerns constituents and neighbors do things like petitions or they like they spend volunteer time be like, you know, I spent x amount of days watching this intersection. It's a little dangerous.
44. 46:17I've seen this many times that this thing has happened. Then you report it to the police. And then that's something that they'll be like, cool, let's see if we have the manpower to pay attention to that. That's usually how that type of thing would get addressed or handled. They wouldn't just >> But some of our guys, I mean, to be fair, do watch intersections daily, you know, for whatever, blowing the light, blowing the stop sign, uh, you know, cell phones, whatever it is. And, uh, yeah, so it's not like they're not around. They are around and they're watching this stuff. And I'm not I have no doubt what you say is true. It's just a matter of, you know, collecting that data >> and more now that it's warm, right? They're on bike patrol. >> Yeah. When you guys walk around, they're already started. >> They start. >> Yep. >> But the cameras that are set up, are they set up by intersections that are currently set up? >> Some are. >> Is are they recorded? >> Yep. Yes.
45. 47:19So you could conceivably collect data internally, right? Are you having somebody review it? Say, oh, you know, if you had someone if you had someone available to review, let's say, eight hours of that to find that one person that almost may have got hit by a car that day and you could do that each day, but it would take a lot of manpower. >> No, I just mean after the fact, right? Just >> Right. And we do that after the fact. If something happens, we will check or if someone did report, hey, I almost >> got hit by a semi, >> right? >> We would we would check that out, >> right? But it always follows them. They have to report it first for you to do that. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> It would be hard. It'd be really hard to try to guess something like that. >> Yes. >> And like I said, it's there's 922 other incidences that they're responding to. >> Mhm. >> So, >> and it's only going to get warmer. >> It's Yeah. Yeah, we had 50 arrests for April. So, as it gets nice out, we'll probably have more statistically. >> Um, how about the ebike?
46. 48:22>> You know, I we I haven't heard uh that was hot and heavy there for a while. We did we did do some um outreach on that, some programs with people. We had Sergeant Hodgeges do a couple details. I haven't heard uh much on ebikes for the last but it is getting warmer. Yeah, that's my concern is >> nothing a lot of evite now on the street. So, >> we do see them again. We do see we do see some are reckless, you know, but they're advised from we talked about this last summer to keep an eye on that as well. >> What about park? Can they ride bikes any park? >> Ebikes got a couple reports that they're using a ramp and all that. So >> yeah, I would say if you see an ebike in any park that you call the police so that we can deal with that. They should not be doing that. >> Okay. >> There's no signage, right? >> There is no signage >> for e. It might have some bicycle signage, right? >> Yeah. I think we adopted signage for
47. 49:25ebike, >> but it's not again u not saying it's not happening. We haven't had any calls really on that the ebike usage in the parks. >> Yeah. >> You know, some people might see it and just, you know, again, move on with business, you know. >> Yeah. Or not or not. Yeah. Or not even think that it's a reportable thing, right? Because they they may think, oh, they can ride in there even though they're being dangerous at the yard because I heard some, you know, they were weaving in out of the young kids. are probably the same. >> Yeah, I would say um people can call us for anything and if you know some people that they're going to don't have time or they think think it's dumb or whatever, just call us. We we'll figure it out. >> Yeah, >> I think Yeah, Margaret, go ahead. >> Oh, yeah. Sorry. Sorry. On the ebikes, my dog is beginning to bark, so ignore him if he barks. Um yes that's on we had brought that up um last the end of last
48. 50:30year and we broke it into three components which is what Captain Miller has indicated which is the police department is giving people warnings and and speaking to them but we want to review and uh update the code so that the police department actually has something to work against with regard not just to ebikes but also to scooters. So that will be coming from the legal committee hopefully in the next couple of months. >> Thank you. You have a question >> on the on the intersection thing. Um going back to that, I mean if somebody is going to sit there for 8 16 hours looking at video, one thing I would suggest is actually looking at pedestrians crossing against the light. uh pedestrians crossing the street looking at their phones. Um you know I mean the the most of the things that I have seen to be honest have been more about pedestrians
49. 51:33strolling along and not paying any attention to whether or not uh they have the right of way. Obviously when you're driving the pedestrian always has the right away regardless of whether or not the light is red or green for you. you always yield to a pedestrian, but I think it would help if pedestrians were more self-aware uh as they are crossing intersections. Just my >> I do think it could be it could be helpful um maybe we can talk to the mayor if there's something on the city website for pedestrians. It's just like something brief reminding of pedestrian safety um as tourists are coming to the city or you know anywhere that we have tourist information available maybe we just have some type of infographic >> reminding them of pedestrian safety I think could be beneficial. No, I completely agree and I think Claire, a lot of the stuff that we're talking about and Captain Miller, we had talked about this last year. I think a lot of what we're talking about could be
50. 52:36accomplished through awareness, education, hey, safety campaign um as opposed to writing tickets. Mhm. Zade, I think because I think that would be a perfect thing if we've decided to take up a safety campaign to invite um some young organizers in the community that have ideas around us to be a voice on something. I think that I think that's a great suggestion because also if we had young organizers involved um much of the scooter ebike stuff is kids in the middle school and the high school and that would be to me a very good suggestion. Yeah. Um 922 those are reports. >> Yeah. Each that's uh each incident calls correct reports.
51. 53:40>> Is that above average for summertime since you know more people are doing crazy stuff outside? >> Yeah, we're going to have So that was for April. We'll have more now. um that it's getting nicer, more people are out, more people visiting. We'll have more calls than that. So, if you came here next month, it'll I'm sure it will be more than 944 or whatever I said. >> Mhm. We're really we're a really busy um city and uh I'm glad we are because, you know, that's how we stay afloat here. We want people to come and visit. We want them walking around. Okay. Any more questions? public online. >> I just chime in again on the pedestrian thing. I've seen people with babys. Thank you. Thank you.

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