At a glance
Tuesday's regular Council meeting did a lot. The treasurer presented Hudson's 2025 books — another $160,000 hole, but a far smaller one than 2024's $1.3 million plunge. After a long debate the Council passed the controversial county parking deal at 11 Warren Street, but cut the term from five years to two and required Columbia County to pay, in writing, for moving the lost handicap parking space. Developer Ben Fain came back with a renamed project — Waterfront Village is now South Bay Hudson — and a Whiteman Osterman & Hanna attorney challenged the waterfront-dock law on behalf of an unnamed client widely understood to be Colarusso & Son.
010:45
Opening, minutes, bills
The meeting opened, the April minutes were accepted, and the month's bills were paid by roll call.
Key points
- Roll was called and the meeting opened.
- Minutes from the April 28 regular meeting were accepted.
- The month's bills were paid by roll-call vote.
A note on the transcript
This page is built from YouTube's automatic captions. The transcript has no speaker labels and garbles many names, so this summary describes speakers by role. Numbers from the financial report are rounded as the treasurer presented them. Check anything important against the city's official minutes.
023:12
Treasurer's annual financial report: a smaller hole, but still a hole
The city treasurer presented the 2025 unaudited Annual Financial Report (AFR) — the report filed with New York State. The picture: another modest drop in fund balance, but a dramatic improvement on 2024.
Key points
- The general fund's unassigned fund balance dropped about $160,000 in 2025 — far better than 2024's $1.3 million drop, but still a drop.
- Unassigned fund balance is now roughly $1.39 million. Government-finance guidance puts the minimum at about two months of expenditures — for Hudson, around $2.6 million — so the city is still well below that threshold.
- Several revenue lines moved in the city's favor: lodging tax, sales tax, parking-ticket revenue, interest earnings (about $40,000 over budget after the treasurer renegotiated rates with the city's bank), and tax-foreclosure penalties from owners paying off back taxes.
- A one-time boost came from selling two surplus fire vehicles for about $230,000; that money goes into a reserve fund earmarked for the new pumper truck, reducing how much the city will need to borrow.
- Costs rose too: debt service was up about $250,000, driven mostly by the Ferry Street Bridge and the DRI grant-funded projects, which carry interest while the city waits on reimbursements; benefits (especially state retirement system contributions) rose about $160,000.
- The city is issuing new debt in mid-June — a long-term borrowing for the pumper truck and 'callable' short-term debt for the bridge and DRI work, designed to be paid down early when state reimbursements arrive.
What's next
The unaudited report has been filed with the state; an external CPA audit follows, and the numbers could shift. The treasurer said closing the fund-balance gap will take either revenue increases, expenditure cuts, or both — a question the Council has not yet taken up.
0315:02
Routine resolutions, passed
The Council passed a slate of routine resolutions that had been previewed at the May 18 informal.
Key points
- Authorized the mayor to appoint three commissioners of deeds.
- Cancelled outstanding checks uncashed for over six months, including a $10,000 National Grid check.
- Approved a budget amendment for City Hall sprinkler-system and control-panel repairs.
- Approved a budget amendment for police department equipment — defensive-tactics training equipment and fire-investigations training — funded out of a restricted federal Department of Justice equitable-sharing reserve, not the general fund.
- Approved an amended lease for the Pocketbook factory tenant's parking at the fire station lot (about 34 spaces).
- Approved a resolution setting standard work days for the New York State retirement system.
0418:24
The 11 Warren county parking deal — amended in the room
After a long, sometimes heated debate, the Council voted to approve the Columbia County parking agreement at 11 Warren Street — but only after amending it on the spot to cut the term from five years to two and to require the county to pay, in writing, for relocating the lost handicap parking space.
Key points
- The original proposed agreement would have given the county 18 designated weekday parking spaces along its new 11 Warren Street offices for five years, at 90% of the city's parking rate.
- Members called five years too long. Council President Margaret Morris said the county had also already agreed to put after-hours public use of its lots in writing, and to discuss other county lots case-by-case.
- After a long discussion the Council voted to amend the resolution: term cut from 5 years to 2; county to put in writing that it will pay for relocating the handicap parking space across Warren Street to a more ADA-compliant corner near the church.
- The amended resolution then passed by roll call, with two no votes. A member who voted no said leadership of the deal had not made good on its word, and that residents and business owners had told her the deal is unfair.
- A council member acknowledged that the city's own county representatives — five of them — are who should be carrying these arguments at the county level; one of them voted against the original sale of 11 Warren Street to the county.
Connections
This deal was reviewed at the May 14 Legal Committee and the May 18 informal. The handicap-spot relocation question came from public comment at both.
0554:35
Old business: an apology, and an unresolved cannabis-convention dispute
A council member apologized for an earlier statement, and the Council pressed unsuccessfully for an explanation of the unpermitted cannabis convention at the Basilica on May 13.
Key points
- A council member publicly apologized for an accusation made about a resident, saying he had not personally witnessed what he described and was repeating second-hand information.
- The Council president said she has asked the Basilica's operator for a parking plan and an explanation of how it informs renters about Hudson's mass-gathering requirements, but has not yet received one.
- She said she will not draft any new policy until she meets with the operator and understands their process — including why some renters of the venue have filed mass-gathering permits and this client did not.
0660:39
South Bay Hudson: Ben Fain rebrands his waterfront project for the Council
Developer Ben Fain returned, now with the architects, attorneys and engineers on his team — and a new name for the project. 'Waterfront Village' is now 'South Bay Hudson,' a 6.2-acre mixed-use neighborhood on the long-vacant Kaz property.
Key points
- The project's name has changed from 'Waterfront Village' to **South Bay Hudson** (also 'South Bay Village'). The Council heard the same plan the Planning Board saw on May 12 — a roughly 16,000-square-foot grocery store, retail, internal walkable streets, and about 145-150 homes in a five-story residential building.
- The site is the long-vacant Kaz property (referred to as 'Cass' by the developer — the former Kaz/Cass factory that closed in the 2000s). Phase 1 is the grocery, retail and infrastructure; phase 2 adds more retail; phase 3 is the residential building, projected several years out.
- Attorney Charlie Gotautle (Whiteman Osterman & Hanna) said the rezoning petition was submitted April 27 and the Planning Board has agreed to be SEQR lead agency. The site has been accepted into New York State's Brownfield Cleanup Program.
- On corporate structure: each property is held in an LLC; the parcel for this project is owned by Montgomery Street Projects LLC. The team emphasized they are not seeking to acquire additional land.
- Council comments and concerns: a member raised that adding density to Tanner's Lane and Cross Street is a real change despite the site's existing zoning; questioned phasing commercial first when Hudson's housing crisis is acute; asked about mixed-income housing and affordable units (the team said a market analysis will be done; the residential phase is several years out).
- A council member who lives near the site reported she had met with Ben earlier in the day; he confirmed the city's wastewater pump station can handle the project's projected flow (about 300,000 gallons per minute at maximum, well under the station's 3-million-gallon-per-minute capacity).
- Members raised emergency-vehicle access (the site funnels onto Front Street with limited egress), the building's five-story height and viewshed impacts (a visual viewshed assessment is being prepared), and connectivity to the existing Amtrak parking lot.
- A public commenter, Matt McGee, noted the renderings appear to eliminate Montgomery Street — named for General Montgomery, a hero of the Revolution — at a moment when Hudson is celebrating the 250th anniversary of American independence.
Connections
This is the same project that came before the Planning Board on May 12, where it was still called 'Waterfront Village.' The site is the Kaz property near the Amtrak station. The Council will need to act on the rezoning petition that lets the project be built as proposed.
072:13:48
A dock-business attorney challenges the waterfront local law
Near the end of public comment, an attorney representing what appears to be Colarusso & Son — the waterfront business that operates the dock — said his client is the only business in Hudson that would be harmed by the local law amending Chapter 325 (§ 325-17.1) that was introduced at the May 18 informal. The Council president agreed to put it on a future agenda with a proper public hearing.
Key points
- TJ, an attorney from Whiteman Osterman & Hanna representing the waterfront-dock operator, asked to speak on the local law amending § 325-17.1 of the city's zoning code (the dock-operations clarification).
- The Council president said the topic was not on this meeting's agenda and that he should comment when the law is up for public hearing.
- The attorney said the law was introduced at the May 18 informal, with no prior chance for the affected business or other members of the public to speak before it was sent out to the county and planning boards for review.
- The Council president agreed to put the law on a future agenda with a proper public hearing, and asked the attorney to email his comments and letter to all council members in advance.
- The attorney urged the Council to consider obtaining outside legal counsel before acting on the law.
Connections
This is the local law that the Council introduced at the May 18 informal and — in Part 2 of that meeting — voted to send to the county and local planning boards. The Council will now also hold a separate public hearing on it before any final vote.
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0:456:00 regular meeting >> May 26 2020 real quick. >> We're doing the first roll. here. >> thank you.
1:52presentation. Is that online? >> Can I get a motion to accept the minutes April 28th? >> Motion. Yeah. >> All by second by saying I >> Motion carries. >> now the next report. So, we need a report. Yes. committee report. >> Second. Anyone against? >> I get a motion to pay the bills? Anyone Make a motion to pay the bills. Motion
2:58>> Second. in favor. >> Call the vot for the bill, please. >> Warren, >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Cousin. Hi. Not yet. Now we got Heather, right? >> Now we're gonna get a presentation from Heather, you >> here? Yep. So I believe Margaret That is the report that we have to file
4:04>> So I'm just going to talk about a few happy to follow up with anybody. I'm more detail. I'm happy to meet if people you've even skimmed through the report fund but all the other funds in the city sewer, the capital funds and and a few things that I think um to note are that the statement that these uh this report external independent uh uh CPA company financials out of the system that have things could change once the auditors during the audit. Having said that, um I note is 2025 fund balance of about $160,000.
5:12Um so that's not ideal obviously um but 2024 where we dropped 1.3 million. unallocated fund balance of million I believe um which is you know guidance as to what your unallocated unassigned fund balance um uh but the association says it should be a minimum of what your average um expenditures right now, we would like to see that we're at about 1.4. So, uh we are going that number up. Um, having said that, highlights in terms of some of the worse from our 2025 performance versus
6:23some nice increases in uh, lodging tax So that's all good news because trends that continue. Um, we did have a 2025. Uh, we had a a sale of surplus but uh we have to realize that basically was from the sale of two fire vehicles resolutions uh was set aside for use for money is actually sitting in a reserve for which we will be borrowing later that it lets us reduce the amount that debt service uh on that accordingly. also saw some nice bumps in um interest because and and also into uh delinquent
7:36that is the result of the fact that we and we have had people come in and pay off their back taxes they're obviously paying any acred penalties and interest. saw and I expect to see more of that in, conclude the foreclosure process. Um, and earnings. Uh, I had a a chat with or so and uh, talked about interest increased. Some of them increased quite um in rates about 40 grand more than we those are kind of the highlights. Uh we standpoint, we didn't have any through it, you will see that the from a revenue perspective, the bulk of
8:42are basically just grants that um work was not done in 2025. So, example, we uh I'm trying to say we had like a fair touring routes things and that ends up revenue is, you also have an equal it will make the years fluctuate um by, one year to the next, higher and lower does his projects. um but it doesn't at the end of the day. expenditures, um we did have some I had some pretty significant expenditures 2025. That ranges anywhere from I think purchased in 2024. Uh, as we all know, the death of one of the officers that
9:51that hopefully and was not repeated. Um, wound up in 2025 where the bulk of the plan and the money that we set aside for Um the net result for most of the things is few things that are impacting the have more debt service. We had almost a service in 2025 than we did in 2024. first year paying on some of the for in 2024. Um but the rest of it is the DRRI grants. Um and as you know, the slower the reimbursements, the more we and interest. So, um, we're seeing that
10:58seeing that in 2026 and in 2027 as well. because we're, as I mentioned, we're middle of the middle of June. basically issuing shortterm again except for the borrowing but this year we're going to that's called callable which means we if we have the funds on hand and my hope and for the DRRi we will get the fashion that we're able to pay that off will save us some interest and then leftover debt for either of those financing. so again from a from a spent less than kind of the highlights of course
12:02grant revenue. Um we talked about the debt service has gone up. Obviously uh well particularly retirement. We hospitalization i.e. health insurance. up which means social security went up uh the city's contribution to both the retirement system just continues to about 160,000 year to year. Debt service and then as I mentioned you know on the contract and the number of you know a few personal services lines So, as I said, you know, the net result expenditures exceeded revenues by about
13:11uh which takes our unassigned fund a bunch of different kinds of fund about it like when you're approving a balance to add to the budget for a grant were not you know um anticipated but are unassigned fund balance. So you'll see numbers me a second here. Yeah. Overall fund about a couple hundred,000 less than the portion of that is only 1.395 million. That's the top line. >> That it. >> Well, thank you, Heather. Anyone have >> I do.
14:13>> Hi, Heather. Um, Jason, early on. Early fund balance. What does work look like? revenues or decreasing expenditures. >> Thank you. Anybody else? >> You have any questions? larger dip and an unbalance, but uh like why it's closer to 161, correct? >> Anyone else? >> Yep, you got it. motion authorizing according to Commissioner Dot?
15:21Motion second. >> Roll call vote, please. >> President Morris. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. Okay, next is authorize cancelling the >> Roll call vote, please. >> Morris, >> Hi. >> Rooney. >> Thi. >> Robert. Hi >> I >> next resolution of updating our
16:34on sprinklers. Can I get a motion Jason roll please >> council member had >> hi >> hi >> hi >> cousin hi >> Eric. for HD. Any can I give a motion? second. Jason, It's uh for their uh inservice uh training in in house and the other is a call for fire inspector and now there
17:46the officers to do fire line inspection what the uh amendment is for. >> Roll >> Uh President Morris, >> Hi. >> Ronnie, >> Hi Boston. >> Hi Bellison. >> Hi. Hi Eric. resolution the agreement. >> Can I get a second? >> Any discussion? Council
18:53member. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Robertson. >> Hi. >> Present. >> Hi. Bars. Resolution establish establish standard work date. >> Motion ring and >> President Morris >> Hi. >> Hi Sar. Hi >> Hi >> L.
20:01trying to figure out how to get my other computer. No. Number seven is authorizing the the county. Can I get a motion? Before make clear um I think I think everybody I want to make sure added basic construction last meeting lot that the build that goes with the outside business hours that is everybody >> yes I have a question >> right now you've got the resolution that the mayor So, um, right now.
21:09have to go back and be re renegotiated. not take it up, vote on it. You can May I make a motion to table this until >> Sorry. Excuse me. Excuse me. I have >> Yeah. So, if you give me a moment, I'm going computer. Um, I have followed up with they already agreed that they were going parking space to the other side of the uh so that when the mayor signs it, we the agreement contingent upon a updated pay for the for the space on the other the issue of using the other lots that
22:16open to a discussion. However, each lot at 610 State Street uh that building is one is problematic, but they are you would bear with me and let me log in preference is that we uh do not table it contingent upon them putting in handicap space on the other side of with them the other lots. But 610 uh very soon. and I discussed that lot with that one. for a moment while I log in from >> Did Jennifer ever get her question
23:22>> but if there's a motion on the table, do we ask have to ask for a recess if conversation and a part of the will just give me three or four if you open my other computer. I mean, um, she can discuss. She can't >> So, she's question. So, hear the discussion. have a discussion. I've met with the me and let me log in. Why don't we do >> Then she still doesn't get to vote on be a part of >> Um Marvin, I did um talk to Rob Perry parking. They're going to move it.
24:30signage, but the city's going to be the ramp uh across the street. Uh the and but the county is supposed to be that's what I heard as of today. And um we Margaret then we'll but you might want to vote on about seven I mean 11 street. >> Yeah. >> I I would also like this contingent upon but also that we will have further lots that the county becomes in
25:33>> Yeah. I you know um one of the ones I I >> our our spot in fourth in Columbia, >> buses and everything. I don't know why spots at DSS. >> Why can't you put those at DSS? Because that location to get that van. And why parking on the weekends when they have >> Well, that's another thing. You know, my county parking unless identified as hours. That was my understanding. >> No, I I totally agree because you know um I would like to open up a little bit county can use you know their their lots back and forth for street until whatever
26:44>> one thing I'll say our personal the week is very >> Yeah. during the week. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. will be impossible. I didn't think it but at some extent other other locations. I just think that our parking um you know that we that we >> Uh I'm just Yes, I am logged in. Uh my let me in? >> No. Okay. >> He's still got a speaker.
27:54Okay. Can you hear me? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I can hear. I see you. >> Yeah, >> Yes. >> Can you hear us, Margaret? >> Her other device was how she listens to you're good. >> She does it every meeting. She logged in Okay. >> Logan, can you hear me now? >> Okay, good. All right. I can I can now >> Oh, >> the followup that I had with the county. uh to put in language allowing use of folks. They're perfectly willing to put
29:01movement of the handicap spot. Um and lots, but each lot has to be discussed about 610 state, which they are putting come up because it has towway signs on up for sale, that's probably not a viable solution. So my recommendation move forward that we make a contingent they're going to pay for the handicap that they will discuss with us other That's my recommendation and I do feel whether we vote it up or down. I do feel Okay. Any other comments? >> Thank you. Um, I live down right off of
30:08personally uh interested and involved Warren. Um, Warren Street in front of that building uh residents do not use it because required. Everyone is parking on the >> Um don't enter into this agreement, uh streets such as Union and Allen and will only exasperate the problem. So, feeling five years is a long time county to fires during our discussions period of time on this um so that we can
31:17regarding this. Gary, if if I could just comment also on primary interest in doing some kind of relating to quality of life for the town because they are going to be employees looking for parking where they not parking on and you're absolutely overarching reason for entering into an sure that the residents on the western these county employees now taking up 8:00 in the morning, 9:00 taking up negative for the individuals who live >> Yeah. Okay. So >> hand motion.
32:25communications from both residents and Warren Street who are against this. They their employees and still don't feel already offer parking passes um makes a this type of, you know, accommodation um our residents and business owners yet is >> specifically where the First Street front of that is is exactly where people out. I think having that already filled is going to create a dangerous relocating the handicap spot is better that it works against our goal of having that area. Um and I just genuinely think the things that they're asking for in
33:29them. I don't think that we can trust good on their word. um this entire good on their word and they have um their intentions were and what even completely different than what the support of this and I don't think the down there are >> Yeah. Um the mayor stated that um if more traffic will be on the residential people who going to be using those >> exactly there for probation or they're going to spaces. So I'm not for this. I think park and ride shuttle program. >> the question of your apartment actually
34:37now where that parking is it's not it's better for us. >> by the corner ramp on the opposite side >> Well >> yeah closer to the west side of the church and the other day which which is technically more >> where it is now the only way you have corner and it's not really safe that >> so the move that actually is better for >> great Jenny has a comment. >> Sorry, please. Um, could we could we >> so that we have something in place when
35:41know that wasn't the stated month. in place so that we continue to negotiate >> So remind everyone and a comment >> you have a comment. >> I don't know if you can Henry has a >> Yeah, I'm just trying to answer Margaret with Margaret we should vote on I will resend if I may. Can I do that? my motion to table because I do. Yes, we
36:53on it, fine. But I would like to echo far too long because it gives is two and does close us off to our executive and to applaud Margaret's hard work. other agreement we've had with the holds them to writing. But, uh, I I hope a city supervisor who was also on the who orchestrated this deal with the >> which seems to me like a rather severe pretty sure that violates a few rules of So knowing where we are there, again for I just like Claire and Jenny and
38:00heard from our constituents how this fiveyear length, I will have to vote no. back to our to the mayor and Margaret to the taxpayers's best interests and maybe if we have the time to work on it. But similarly that this is um without it in is a raw deal for us. pending those adjustments in my opinion. a hard time for Samsung. I think a lower what what needs to be corrected. Right. we have problems that we can't correct if the journal should be u you know two
39:11renew barring any issues. Now how do we your resolution to put in stipulations you following changes and that would be you want. Um we see and including a to move the handicaps. you amend your resolution that you know you are approving and that conformity with what you approve and approval well. But who would somebody misp whoever wants to introduce
40:17to amendment I'm sorry introduce the the resolution to add >> then you vote on the amendment and if back and vote on the board resolution >> but so we amend this but this is a necessarily mean if the county is going You're not actually all you're doing is >> you're not approving the agreement as a resolution to approve an agreement things you're requiring. If they agrees to that, the county agrees to approved. nothing to write in place and they move They're moving introduce this resolution and amend the
41:23whatever other things you want to put in back to the mayor and the county. If with what you said you would approve, then they're good to go. can be signed those changes. If they don't make those We've got nothing and it would have to >> I think >> Yeah, we have a a full calendar month. that's June 23rd and our meeting would >> So we would have to loan I have my hand >> Yeah. Go ahead. amendments that we want to make to this um I'm hearing a lot of different impression that you're opposed to an
42:29and I get what you're saying about uh for their staff and they park in forth. I get exactly what you're saying Um council that you can agree upon what reduction in term paying for the uh amendments Claire that would make this you opposed to an agreement period? >> Okay. So I think the I think we have to set of amendments. The time scale was think as well. Um going to pay for the for the uh handicap But what other amendments do council
43:34>> I heard the discussions on other lots. >> I I heard the discussion of other lots are the three. The third one, >> that I've heard. is that the county agrees that they will my discussion with Matt Morell today, looked at individually. So the 610 lot the council is really not an option in for sale. So that was one that I know know which other lots. So I don't know agree upon to put into this to say X Y the community after ours or do we just agrees to discuss in good faith? That's why I think the shorter time
44:38negotiating on if we go you know two by that time you know they need to come >> and open up their doors right 90% right so um you know that does give you know what is what is being like Gary anyway because they're being charged. because the problem is we have um you things got to be in play uh figure out everything's going to be moving down u shorter time frame it allows us to work better. Um, so I mean that would be my at the table with a two-year um, you >> And by and I'm sorry to interrupt, but
45:44through, we'll have some suggestions on that are uh, pinched now. I'll call it maybe they can come up with some kind of >> So yeah, residential park. ourselves and the county two years, I of time for us to come in there. >> Yeah. Yes, I say um adding a permission the others really doesn't do much. You >> that's correct. who's who's the judge of that. I mean really making more problems than than it dispute over whether negotiating sure that adding that is is really very
46:48>> okay about we need specific laws and we >> Well again of? to these specific laws. What I like to two years, right? um that allow us to they're going to sell whatever that can do you know four street can they parking back and separate conversation about this license for parking at 11 entertain the conversation about other two years of a license and then they like that's one conversation and then different in regards to parking Am I
47:55so you know you you give them if you talk to you about the other lots and if faith about the other lots after two the leverage. I think that's more says, you know, it's a provision to this because that's so difficult to enforce something's in compliance. It's such a >> I would be in favor of the two be in favor of that in five years to do I would be in >> Yeah. Just I mean I'm just saying this just as a reminder to everyone here that the city of Hudson that should be level. That's their job. because one of our county
49:01of 11 street. trying to solve this problem amongst need our county reps to do under us. >> Yes. in this conversation. >> So can I get a motion? time frame from 5 to two? Motion. resolution. >> Do do you have a second to that motion place? >> Okay. for for 11 street parking contract? >> Jason first. >> as is or then we talk about
50:10make a motion to this agreement the resol resolution approve agree agreement subject to the to two years. make that motion to amend subject to the five years to two years and >> the second. right? >> handicap parking being paid moved and >> writing discussion Keep going. Don't keep going. >> Stop right there. >> Two years. >> Now vote on >> So just the handicap park.
51:15>> The two issues as an amendment. Please handicap and also two years. roll please. vote to approve the agreement as amended payment for handicap. Correct. This is just a vote to amend any >> Okay. Fine. Thank you. >> Right. President Morris. Council member Hadad. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Roberts. >> Felton. >> Moransson.
52:18get you to write a motion to approve. motion to vote to approve the resolution >> Mhm. resolution as we just amended? Can I get >> Second. >> Roll. >> Yes. Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> no. >> Hi. >> Hi. Thank you. Okay. Thank you everyone.
53:31the motion or do um grant Budget amendment. >> Second. >> Roll, please. >> Yes. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. Anthony >> no is not coming. >> Anyone have any old business first? >> Jason, go ahead.
54:37>> Right. Um so in a meeting a few months uh I said something um to Bill Houston apologize. following anyone to their home. I did to his home. I did not observe him apologizing for that because I did not witnessed it's all second here >> okay council I need by the council up two issues last month. Um, and I have One was the incident that happened two basilica where we had several hundred
55:46still have to date, as far as I'm aware, correct me. They have not come forward explanation as to why they took day and made it untenably safe for the quality of life throughout the first parking in the state launch and the have yet to come forward even though the asked them to do so. was a nightmare. Yes. They should have city because of the private property know slid on the radar there. facility so that yeah needed a mask out. The problem is unless we put something in play, right?
56:51it is the mask, right? Now they do this >> Sorry, excuse me. Excuse me. I have been by uh the by Basilica submitted a parking plan. I have not parking plan involves any use of public property, then it seems to me that a uh that is renting its space to people uh should be informing their clients of within the city of Hudson for mass They are not, this is not new to them. are. And if they have reason to believe their space is going to be having an
57:58"Okay, here are the things that you need let's say, you have an Airbnb whoever is going to be renting your put the garbage out on Monday morning or the owner who is renting the facility what the local ordinances are. And I conversation to understand how it is it to outside entities and what processes clients of local ordinances. because of the hindsight is there identifying what went on send it to them the notice moving forward. Well,
59:07forward, I would like to meet to with facility to know what processes they occur at Basilica. And how is it that gathering permits parking plan did not know to do so. any information, sit down and meet with the entity that don't have enough information. I haven't have come in in the last week when I was it and I want to sit down and I want to actually happened. I don't want to start facts of what actually happened and clients that rent that facility uh
1:00:14>> So Henry Margaret's gonna appreciate I just bring it up again to >> I think and Joe get a satisfactory answer that Any other business? >> Absolutely. business from the county? >> Okay. Now, can I have presentation by know in front of the planning board, but count might have uh regarding and he has disclosure. Thanks. Dominic, I may have to leave shortly minutes, but I'm going to wait for as >> Okay. HCR.
1:02:05Really? I Surely. that
1:03:25are ready. All set. All right. So, Good evening. I'm Ben Fain. couldn't be our I was always told it was called the it as that and that's what we're going South Bay Hudson. Um, so when I was when I'm gonna tell you tell I was always told doing these kinds of You tell them what you're going to tell you told them. So that's what I'm going about the site itself. it really aligns with Hudson's long-term
1:04:31Uh the environmental remediation that and I think more importantly feedback. collaboration. I've lived in Hudson for feedback is extremely important right at it from you. So So south the south bay when I moved to waterfront was disconnected from the really an extension of Hudson, a got housing, retail, hospitality. so this I wish this was my idea, but
1:05:39for itself. So about 10 years ago, right, they wrote the comp plan, they and they changed the zoning to RSC2 mixeduse neighborhood. I really thank was a brilliant idea. I wish I came up towards that because with my other work we're talking about today, the site remember Cass. It was quite lively. 2001 it left a really big hole down seen it. up. It's still a great neighborhood. Um
1:06:46the next this is the original site. It's know something very dark. Okay, go So, reimagine a active, welcoming, Um to me, the the number one word there Okay. Next. So, this is what we're it's fairly straightforward. It's a 16,000 square foot grocery store, unbelievable amounts of landscaping, and a pro about 145 homes in a Uh so this is we this is going to evolve process but this is where we're where next.
1:07:54phased approach. So I think it's it's enormous and it's empty. I think a phases. some internal drive. Next phase is more residential building. So I think that I think it's ridiculous to do it any approach from the beginning. Um, we're excited that we can add, we think, Um, okay. One of the the things that this site has issues. not huge, but we
1:09:06the brownfield cleanup program which we exciting and and a really important little bit more about that. Next, that this this is a big project and it Chris and Ray, Christopher Short from frankly is probably one of the best go after them in particular because they developments. They have had a lot of about what they came up with. We're engineers. You've probably seen them. and white and Austin and Hannah with and myself. Nice and weird group and
1:10:12Right. So, be transparent and part of the reason questions. So, we're gonna we can address all these more questions and I think we need those So, we want to address storm water. We We want to address the property. So, go Um, seven years. We've opened five launched Mr. Cat, which is I hope you wick and giving it a little bit more building on that. So, I really fell in I think this is part of the reason
1:11:21proud of the work we've done so far. people. I was a bit surprised at that Go ahead. that we structured this, we buy an we ladders up to a parent company. It's the Street Projects. That's the LLC that uh the cast devil site good. land. Our our plan is using the lands about that. Nice. So I see this as a collaboration. Um so looking forward to the discussion Charlie and Christopher from Arc
1:12:28little bit more. Okay. Thank you very >> Uh good evening to Charlie Ging Council April 27th, we submitted to this common does help facil facilitate the project. board, which I'll let you um uh inform found when we were looking at the have the zoning picture on it, but it's into this RCS2 zoning district. The idea encourage mixeduse projects specifically reasonzoning we've requested, I'll get your new comprehensive plan. It's revitalization facilitate this project. Um what's
1:13:37there are three phases to the project. planning board for a site plan the project. Um however to comply with act we have to study the environmental project now and that's to avoid any board has designated their intent to be be conducting that thorough forwarded you a notice of their intent wanted to learn this evening uh were comments on the resoning, and what other to assess before the planning board? Uh some flood plane issues we're going to be done by our consultants in a very forward on to this board. However, your related to the zoning request. So, we
1:14:43of them are already in the RCS2 zoning Cross Street. You can see they are white west of the Wick Hotel. They're in the those lots were not zoned RCS2 back in just east of the Wick, that's also zoned multifamily building is proposed, those zone district. Um, our intent to make just put all the lots that are in this year. Um, interestingly, where the industrial zoning district, multifamily district. So, we're really kind of just make sure it's all consistent. Those are in the R4 district, they have vacant
1:15:51intent is to reproduce those uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh village. recently been accepted into the also going to be another level of review. That's all done by the state conservation. How that works is certain contaminated the property is. So, we're contaminated this property is. Um, we will cut all the contaminated fill out. with all state and federal regulations will have what we call an unrestricted contaminated piece of land that no one meaning we can do residential,
1:16:58big open space park that is park phase site there. city's comprehensive plan which is uh a Your current comprehensive plan suggests corridors and strengthening the city of heard about I believe it was 83 or 85 applicant. Um and this will certainly more spaces for residents to connect. needs of the city's younger residents. a vibrant mix of residential and riverfront and the train station. goal of the comprehensive plan come true identifies this as the southern would facilitate a mixeduse and walkable
1:18:03site as a priority area for of Hudson for a long time have been now we have the intent to develop it. So the project any and all comments. We proposed resoning that is going to need your comments. We will respond to your related to FEMA, we are getting an have to raise the buildings to comply again also tweak the relief we request beginning stages. Uh thank you very Excuse me. talked about it? just to confirm some of these things. upland mixed juice area, the southern this affects it, but
1:19:12if this property was designated as >> you don't mind? We can >> let's take it down city >> Um well since since uh you just went to residents are actually over 40. Um a long time as a city for retired people. Most of our residents aren't to correct some of your previous >> No, and I think that statement was you have a diverse housing stock. attracting um through employment is so that the city can succeed in the population and I just turned 40 so it want to make sure they are they are
1:20:16but there's also housing stock for before the planning board is doing a what is the housing situation in Hudson? the marketability? whatever and and sure that the multifamily building fits about the multifamily building is that's for approval of phase three for the next do phase one first, phase two, then completely shift by then. little premature but or maybe it's for you the architect? So, it might we may So, thank you. >> I'll wait. >> Uh, good evening everyone. My name is
1:21:30York office of architectonica. Happy to page. did a pretty comprehensive introduction community here. So the site in question is connectivity to the waterfront that a real opportunity here. how we fill in some of the grid down so it feels like a also serves as a real good opportunity city of Austin. A lot of people come off right now we're greeted with a little parking and a lot of warehouse. So consider when coming off the trans front But it's not it challenges. Um the site south. Uh we are bound by dead end
1:22:39by streets that connect further south we create that connectivity to the have to explore. Let's go to the next uh version here. Um the site as But if you consider everything that um with the boost case everything that's approximately 7.75 acres. Uh and the attention is it's a big subject. Um, and architectural gesture to just come in entire 7.75 acre site. So, how do we and everyone is used to? So, obviously opportunity for us to not just do one continuing that street infrastructure uh
1:23:45has ahead. coincidentally, we came across an old or 1880s. actually continuing south. That doesn't connecting Second Street because there's uh to Cross Street, which we'll talk it's illustrative of what the city was south, but do it in a way that we're infrastructure. Um so kind of how do we merge this with organically spill into the sites? Um so means of transportation whether it's realize is there's a lot of good the train track is and Amtrak stop is is stops right adjacent to the site. So
1:24:51oriented development that makes huge infrastructure and services that are But what's interesting is this that we showed and that staircase those times. I walked here uh this this from cross street up to to the top it kind of just dead ends into nowhere street and there's not even a crosswalk destination to that. Um so there's an this site, can we really activate that perspective city itself? the existing plan just to orient nothing proposed architecturally. Charlie had mentioned. Not in scope is
1:25:58here that is not owned by uh our not in scope. CSX building is not in landscape changes around that. Those are What we are looking to improve is this and the lapidated residences here and here. Let's keep going. And then the So connectivity with the extension of what these names can change. They're they're helps break up this portion of the running east west called Wick Street block. So we have one, two, three blocks the phasing that Ben mentioned. You'll connectivity wise for vehicular access.
1:27:07South Second Street here, and then one been done is that once you get onto the but the streets themselves have been wide sidewalks on both sides of the driver for how we laid this out. elements here, right? There's a lot of verges. That's intentional, too. We buildings and parking, right? We want some of the tree canopy that comes out Um, so that's why you see the three for the groceryer, and one for hotel. there. front retail here, boutique retail here. about 1,200 square ft. And then the serve as an anchor for this site, but
1:28:16extension of South Second Street from a We place the residential right here, 150 units. So, further back. The reason a couple. one, there's a nice existing continue. So, that's why I put retail there to bring people from the western also in this portion of the site, it is taller portion of the building, we feel that it's actually not as tall as comply with FEMA requirements, flood having some crazy survey and sent by finished floor applications are. There here the hotel and two retailers. Those leftover spaces. When we think of outdoor rooms. So we located them
1:29:23the hotel so they could be flexible restaurant ends up being one of the portions of the grocery during the shipment of apples come in, whatever it It's a nice outdoor room that's not alley. Uh but the biggest outdoor space see that's kind of centralized on the new almost pin wheel off. Right. So it's community gathering place. It's wide open right now because one of the needs for the community uh for that is seen as successful for anyone residents of the town. Um let's keep So we start out with plan. We always some grand architectural gesture and try
1:30:30after the master plan, multiple started looking at some of the existing scales, proportions, materiality, Um obviously I think everyone's pretty train station obviously streets. Um and the designs of the buildings themselves And then couple of images a little bit that crane we absolutely love and we're prominently. Um so you know the reason there's a very historic nature to Hudson want to bring in elements of historicism page. had previewed previously just to orient
1:31:36the site. So we're looking at these but train station here caboose here is this retail is intentionally angled. So jaywalking this way or going across the portion and plan of retail is larger inviting facade for people coming the site. Um and we have our existing retails and proposed grosser and there are some solar panels shown on Uh and then some solar panels proposed Ben has undertaken thus far has all been commitment to sustainability. Um whether house that's still to be determined. Um
1:32:43recognize that is an important element go to the next page, please. So, more designs. They're more illustrious for pedestrian experience. What does it feel feel like a natural extension that is historic texture of Hudson. Um so, we building here. Just look massing wise. instead of just having 49 degrees it's repurpose the grain. I think we're doing better than Water Village. That's that's groceryer here in back. Go to the next yeah. So, this is looking further down and at the end of there, the Wake Hotel feet. We have a smaller linear retail
1:33:50of those pocket parts, right? Again, we room, outdoor space. It's not just inside out, vice versa. So, we trade it or umbrellas. It could be a really cool street parking. Um, but we do have on the other side of the sidewalk. So, um, the, uh, the idea is that this friendly, the cyclist friendly. Um, so, retail, the way it's located, we get a site. Let's go to the next page, please. greenery we have. So this is looking up the boutique retail here, the hotel in building as Charlie has me mentioned and from now. market conditions can change. we we wanted to at least acknowledge a
1:34:58representative of a lot of row homes Let's keep going. Uh this is simply the retail 16t floor roster has higher stacking requirements inside. So that's residential propose all the way in the away from Taylor's land. So nothing that enchanting effect. It's all brought back it can breathe plans just quickly phase one rich street groceryer uh these two are out until we would be infill of that retail. So again uh from an onboarding and an online that's just overall master plan going please uh the residential which
1:36:07more I think and then this is the final in summary, we're confronted with quite of the existing conditions, but trying fabric, whether it's through pedestrian stairs and minimizing electric sites. Um we feel that that fabric so it doesn't feel like a It's very important that it ties into two, there's a commitment to which um we will be using something whether it's and then three, this is a real awesome site that could serve as really serve as to the city. So, that's what I have and
1:37:14That's it. So, any questions or comments tonight or again, this is the start of a response and writing. Thank you. Um things. Yeah. Um how are your dealers uh planning plans? sessions yet. Once we submit our full hearing with the planning board. We'll board um for the reasonzoning. We have on Uni Collab from a neighbor on Cross the one parcel that is not in our project site. Um were concerns about look at making Tanner or Cross Street parking. So, we actually just had a call
1:38:18consultant Mark Naldini um Kraton city and we're going to be doing a full those specific issues. Um so that was we've received thus far. So I've lived on Crosby for six years. independent conversations with anybody I website that has a lot of information project. We plan on hosting periodic als but some that are just for our So, that is that is a big part of our be public about when and where uh in the our plan. Anything else?
1:39:28community space, how are you going to know, because out of the top of my head, great, especially for older and younger, kind of bowling out. >> You can just We used to have one and it >> Yeah. and they're always location for stuff like that. And I know wants a recreational pool, but there >> um couple comments, concerns. be answered further down the line, but biggest concern is echoing what the around just like that area that has been
1:40:34that to mixed use, what that means. I you're considering phasing this project store and you know a lot of the the city is already about truck traffic the city. So, how would putting a there before housing not increase trucks walkable there's going to need to be some spaces to need to park. So, that would add to right next to a train track that is not life when you are building housing is also is a flag in my mind. Um and I'm being reszoning right next to to
1:41:41I haven't explored zoning a ton since initially looking into what that would right now right next to an industrially that that creates and I'm thankful we think there's there's many things to to look through. Another point that I comprehensive plan um yes huge part of what is going to keep our right now we are an agent population in work in the city of Hudson don't live in the last phase um is still not promoting work in Hudson. Um those are all my >> Those are great comments. One thing I'll
1:42:47and our traffic impact study is going to remind the board that everything you see two little buildings is currently changing a significant amount of the it's all consistent. or how narrow cross street is and how add that level of development in that legally right now, but to really think to that. >> I agree. go ahead. week. I clearly vocalized a few of them. on Tanner's Lane. Um, and fortunately, with Ben today and get some of those
1:43:52satisfied. Sorry, questions satisfied infrastructure. You are all aware it's a from Bon Ritter that was uh finalized in million. Uh, we paid it out and not and lack of maintenance on the U storm My big first big concern was the volume that would be directed at this location hill from the wastewater treatment Uh he said he met with Rob and the pump potential buildup. So, that was my first our pump station uh can handle three an overflow event. I believe uh Ben,
1:45:00projected to be at the large and if I'm me know. Um the volume here would be 300 um at its max flow. So if for that the infrastructure point of view another flood again as long as we're and we will see inundation on the concern that was alleviated. The second were really worried rightfully so. Um, on it and the other ones in front of us um, doesn't have those homes on it, their immediate concern to say, why side of Tanner's Lane? Um, their
1:46:07be bought out one day and put homeless. immediate concern is are we not being that concern as well and it just is a at those town halls and of course this coming. This is clearly the beginning >> and it feels as though like at least concerns and and I'm sure more are going practices work and projects like this probably arise. Another concern of it is um being thought about and still yet, but adding these three streets, service to South Front Street to get out connectivity and connection to 9G or
1:47:17grade as South is now, which is almost to remind everyone, we do have an active Maybe there is something in the plans tracks at the end of the old Von River entrance from L &B. Um, in my head that maybe CSX allows you to do it or who for this finished complex, services in one manner or another and short distance from Cross to because it does bottleneck all of that get in and out of town, which of course Kitties is busy, the wick is busy, and
1:48:21destination, the state continuously for another concern that I I'm sure you are this is what and I know this is an RSC zone so the heights of buildings um in an RSC or in at my building in a commercial and this being a fivestory rendering would have to be a zoning variance to going to say that's 55 ft tall in a um which would be just as tall as would be massive. So I would be able to from Allen Street. I would be able to
1:49:26potentially my view of Mount Marino was be gone. I lived on Montgomery or Allen >> Yeah, the planning board brought that up well. >> and so what we're doing is we're from different vantage points Awesome. something that everyone has to evaluate. >> And so that is what we're taking a look >> Thank you. I think I can follow up. talk about like I see I hear you guys commercial building, but what about like get there? Mixed income >> so there's no plans yet on the I said, that wouldn't come online, you
1:50:31same phase to your point, um, for five might be different at that point. look at how many affordable units are the city of Hudson. I know the Hudson that is going through the planning board a project I worked on, they are having Um and so we want to make sure we have needs of the city of Hudson before we will be in our secret review uh before to see. affordable units. I think it's the other think it's the opposite. affordable units. cross >> I wouldn't consider that affordable. Jason.
1:51:38Obviously not going to be a a brand, you kind of grocery you thought? Price Shopper. It's not going to be a building. The intent is for it to be um nature that we are in negotiations with renderings of what that's going to look submission. Um when we looked at the for a number of years, um there is no and get a lot of different things that the idea is that this groceryer would something more than just getting that night. Um, so that's the plan. And finalized, we'll be able to add the when you say regional, what does that ordinance that you know uh it can't be a
1:52:43many stores. the ordinance well it's it's an be a chain. >> case um do is there in RS2? Uh, so when very difficult to read because it's follow the regulations from the CC follow the regulations here. So, we >> Um, and in four stories or three that. But before we know what relief we topographical survey done. And then we compliance perspective how high we have needed before we do that viewshed the bottom and we have to do all those can figure out what it's the end height >> I'm glad you brought that up because uh without a 10ft raise if I'm not
1:53:54anybody throw? our engineer to this meeting, but I helpful. in, >> Whether you're in a 500y year, 100year, >> That zone is 100 flood zone. have to raise to. >> And then the difficult part is raising make sure you have the same flood >> right? So if you're putting fill in, you >> Okay. Um would you consider removing the for? >> You can answer that another time if you >> Um what I will say is we'll answer will be the last time you see us because for those cross street properties. So currently R4. >> I'm asking could they be left at R4?
1:54:58really the sole relief we're asking for >> for the industrial industrial zone allows multifamily >> fine, but you also wanted to consolidate >> to make it more consistent. Yes. But >> Okay. I then I'll phrase it differently. arch understood. Um so these streets we owned. They will not be maintaining the All right. Um issue where people might want to go on students. Um, so question. We'll have to figure out how working through with the planning, but realizing these are private streets. How would the access easement be? So, there
1:56:05the public to traverse these access easement agreement with the city of interal access roads to a certain certain standard and the property owner of Hudson can go in cure the defect and reimbursement some similar to a storm >> Sure. Um would you consider talking to backside of what we call the Amtrak lot, near the Amra station. >> Yeah. Yeah, that is something Ben if you something that um we've contemplated and right here. Um it's about connecting Ben >> lot. It just gives another way out. I in that lot and you want to go to town walk the second street a lot easier than
1:57:13I think we have it located here. Um, and would be something because you would >> we have to the right of the groceryer >> Oh, thank you. If you take Second Street >> come right into that. other thing is, so I'm looking at image residential building. The renderings do show five. It's just it feels like three from the front. It Yeah, look that's it looks like a roof. back like this. So the top two loses are that might not be seeing level four. It >> You can see it better in this image a >> Well, yeah, that one looks that one like this.
1:58:17>> And this is a very big project. Are you We haven't really thought about that. I I have we haven't explored it a lot. I some some pilots, my experience with tax or just for sale tax while you're we're not familiar enough to make a anything like that. But construction access. Um I don't think warehouse. Um they would need exposed and private road come from the south bay think they have to take Columbia Street Colorado causeway.
1:59:28the prior planning board always talked it did it it made a big difference. So plan. Um quite frankly at the moment city we haven't thought about point but it will be a part of our analysis to understand how construction temporarily uh for a project of this realized it's we'll be doing major sewer have access to Any other >> I do. Um was regarding the the glow space tour. negotiations with your company, what is Is it in line with the the current
2:00:37Hudson general? It's just that general and you guys also mentioned that Hudson you know, if you're if you're pling up the current population, not just to do that. What I will say is, you know, has does kind of prevent accessible to come into the city. Um that said um I atomic here pretty fast. >> You can always >> Okay. >> I'd like to um thank you for coming. Um most because it is in the first w um I
2:01:50mayor is having a town hall on the 28th of his agenda, but it is uh probably a feedback or hear some current concerns is at uh not not the Presbyterian the brown one Kitty Corner the post office. tallest people. >> Yeah. Thank you. The one on Court Street. >> Thank you. >> Do I >> Sure. demographics in the area. You >> yeah actually and um just like looked it
2:02:59is actually the youngest town in closer to 50. America as a country is So you know obviously everything is County is very young stock in Hudson is obviously we lower our population but is yeah like we're approaching 41 days which is different food options and restaurants so we'll an older country. We all easily Africa anyone else. >> Yeah. would it be ever possible to create a
2:04:06Because every time you decide something, thing those places go and then they have to Street and then that gets all clogged up these traffic got into street war is not going to change >> And that's what they do with everything. They going to change. Yes. from the train is getting further and >> And people don't mind leaving their car >> Their tickets on those cars have to be of it just seems to me like it's time function. Well, there was there are because I've been looking at this for a
2:05:13>> I know. So um we there was a study done the 19 kind of based their ideas around but minimum situation so we don't have when when our uh when kinds of decisions, they have nothing to whoever the developer is, which like you me. So, we really working on it. I've often brought up resident. I mean, >> Well, now it's out of our hands. And now
2:06:19>> Okay. Who hands it in? parking permits. Now it's in the hands >> And think you need to New York state New York. >> I believe you do. I'm not 100% sure, but that >> It's not an easy thing. referring to, we're talking six, seven everything that's added. get skewed. So, I don't know how valid >> Valid with three hotels coming, right? >> Exactly. Anyone else? We got someone >> Let's get Ronald online. >> Yes. the presenters, so I'm going to have to
2:07:26Thank you. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Matt McGee might may want would like to point out that uh looking would appear that Montgomery Street, Is it being sold by the city? Uh what's >> It's just not on appropriately. >> It it just doesn't seem to be on the the detail. >> Well, they do show a very carefully done which does eliminate it uh for their Uh so I think it's really a a question uh they did sell a portion of it to them
2:08:35and at some point that building was put the 20s. I'm not sure. It used to go all They couldn't put it all the way up the stretch up on off Third Street, which is there's the stretch they never built. lost. And ironically, replace it is is named Wick Street. Street. And we're in the 250th Montgomery Street is named >> most likely named for General Montgomery And it would be nice if his name
2:09:47Okay. Walden Kenny, more than just a So I introduced myself originally as light and gift visionary I've come up due to the HDC and and I pitched this I don't know uh the 1 hour 1 minute and has the vote but it does not have my did be that my public statement. I don't looked into and we will be formulating record. Now, having said that, you all pitched. It was the authentic Austin Hudson Railroad shop. You imagine
2:10:55steam engines with oxins to go up the hill that but yeah that's but so I amuous HDC meeting last last month they were with the bright idea. came up with it. And just to tell you, where I came from just earlier before there? My good pal Joe Ferris. And I saw Christine Jones and the dad. sorry I'm getting a little touchy here letting you know I'm not just a casual have been working since that last HDC
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2:13:09here before you f Let me speak two more >> Okay. >> Don't raise your voice again. >> Okay. I'll say quietly. >> I'm indignant. like being >> And I don't like being treated poorly. society. That's why it's restoration. humanities intrepid metaphysical. This head around. Metaphysical manifestation restoration. It was all about sacred and better start treating me nicely. >> Any other >> In the back. >> My name is TJ. I'm attorney with the law son, Inc. I'm here tonight to speak on
2:14:14introduced at the informal the last short ready to go. No, no. Um, so city of Hive that would be harmed by comments tonight >> That's not on our agenda today. So we >> public comments. our agenda. >> Please, agenda. I mean, your subject is not on Right. able to speak in front of the common allowed to speak on the giving local laws. I mean, presented, you know, uh, in in the legal and everything. You have plenty of >> The local law was only introduced at the meeting.
2:15:19>> How could you possibly have had no >> No, we haven't had a public hearing. It just wanted to give a few minutes of the would be okay. But wouldn't you wait for one has even looked at it in other in front of this common council and and >> No, we haven't had a public comment. So to this common council about this local >> I know when you were discussing it yes came too, presentation at the same time they did. now? >> Okay. You're subject to this is the current rule of order. It floor may be open to comment from
2:16:23before the council for on new business or I that's what I believe that's the >> to not I do think the general rule of order is issues that are on the agenda or I mean you can do what you want but I >> I would ra I would rather have it on the the same topic and same time right that we're the only commercial operation in right it's what's on the agenda have talk on that's the agenda is better
2:17:33definitely talk to Margaret we'll put it hearing on it that's the best time both >> I would encourage a letter from the you. letter and I urge you to think about advise you on this local law. That would >> Thank you. Thank you. all going to get it. Whatever you're that we do have it so we are prepared >> And it's nothing against what you have personal offense. You know, I understand agenda and and this is a topic a subject right at the end of the meeting, right? topic. It's your own time, right? And we when you're here at the 12th hour of a
2:18:40and I don't think you you know you're time. Okay. Well, I will ask that you before the next public hearing. I will and I appreciate all of your time. Thank Okay. Motion to adjourn. Thank you.
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