Common Council Safety Committee Meeting

1. 0:46Logan >> lo Logan. >> Yeah, >> I'm just checking audio. This is Margaret. >> Good check. >> Okay, great. Thanks. >> Awesome. Uh, so it is the first of the month. It is Monday and this is the safety committee meeting in the city of Hudson. We have President Myself Henry Hadad. We have Councilman Dominic Dwan and Claire Cousins. And in attendance we have Chief Franklin and Lieutenant Miller. And we have our fire chief Hoffman and sorry Captain Fireie >> Captain Miller. I'm sorry. um and uh our new addition to and hope maybe the per and probably the permanence um seat for our code enforcement officer Nick. So, um we're going to start with the
2. 1:52fire department and get them off and running. >> All right. We had uh 36 calls last month. Five of those were fires. Two of them were structured fires, but they were both mutually aid. one German town went to uh Catskill. Uh we had a brush fire down street. The other one was a uh cookie fire, small kitchen fire. Uh four hazard situations. Uh three of those were power lines down. One was an odor. Uh one car was pedestrian was up on the boulevard. And then we had 24 non-emergency calls anywhere from, you know, malfunction wars, false alarms to accidental. And then we had two standbys for the total of 36 calls for the month. Uh the boat was in the water season. It's in stock. Is Yeah, the uh new truck is set to be here next month.
3. 2:56Uh we're going to go out last week of this month. We're hoping for final inspection. Uh things are moving along really well with it really quickly here. So we hope to have it sooner than later. You know, we've been waiting on it for long enough now, three years now, all together. So where do you have to pick it up from? >> They we'll pick it up from get driven down here to Premier, our our dealer, and we'll pick it. They'll bring it here. >> They'll deliver it right to us. >> Oh, cool. >> Yeah. But it's got to go it's got to go to them first. get stuff mounted and everything like that. >> Yeah. After the factory and go to our our dealer and >> which is local so right. >> Great. >> Starting here probably in the next month or two we're going to be coming to level EMS calls uh with the rescue squad. So cardiac arrest calls different things like that. the coordinators could ask all fire departments within the county to uh sign on to to assist the squads. There's some days there's very minimal
4. 4:01ambulances in the entire county. >> Um so those falls uh first aid first responders are are are vital in hopefully saving somebody if we can. Um so we're doing some training with Greenport Rescue uh next week to get familiar with their ambulances. um and the equipment and probably I would and we have to redo our CPR. Um, so hopefully within the next few weeks once we have enough guys, we also have multiple EMTs and paramedics that are also volunteers. So there will be a huge asset. Um, you know, on top of the police department responding, you know, and if the police department gets there and nobody else is needed, then they'll obviously call the fire department off. But we are going to be dispatched uh probably within the next month. We'll we'll start that. >> Great. So they were using like the AED from the rig. >> So we we have all of our trucks and these vehicles have a currently. Um so the van or the Tahoe will probably be
5. 5:07set up as the EMS vehicle which will have an AED in it. Uh maybe like a first inbag with some other equipment in it for the guys. Um so that'll go and not not the engine or the ladder or the rescue. It'll be the the tile or the van. >> Can we do an homage to emergency call squad if you want? >> No. >> So, we're averaging 15 cardiac arrests in the city per year uh for the last 5 years. Um so hopefully we can assist um and help. That's that's all they're asking for. Um so we're going to step up and and do that. >> Yeah. EMS coordinators have been pressing it for two years. Uh we've been dragging it. I you know two years have they really pressed us and we really tal we had a good conversation about it recently. So um that's all we're going to do. We're not doing EMS calls. We're not going out above and beyond. We're not getting involved with that. We're
6. 6:09already busy enough as it is now. We're going to strictly do echo echo calls and that's it. You know, we're not going to be doing anything extra. So unless obviously you know like in the past where he pulled us for other stuff we'll handle that stuff but it won't go any further than that than the echo. So >> yeah Friday I think I heard I think it's easier and they had an echo fall card and only a kid was trying to kind of talk you know that's it's that's great that there's going to be extra hands closer. >> Yeah. Well, the problem now is uh they're very short with rigs for EMS. >> Yeah. >> So, you might be getting a rig that's 15, 20 minutes away. So, >> yeah. >> And you never know with HPD, you can be tied up on something. You know, fortunately, we have them that are fairly there fairly quick, too. But they do tied up on something. So, >> no tools an option. >> They're trying to get every fire department in the county, and I think they're a few shy right now of
7. 7:11that goal. Um, and if they can do that, I believe this will be the only county with 100% participation in the state if they can get everybody to sign on. >> Um, so we're going to do our part and be part. >> So the training going to get everyone going to get the training >> for our department? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We'll get our guys um have a certification that just expired. >> Um, the squad is going to provide uh that training the reertification to everybody. Um and then again just the familiarization with the ambulances. So if hey I need can you go get the stretcher? Can you go get the backboard? Can you go get something? Um our guys with the extra set of hands asking EMTs and paramedics to to focus on uh first aid. >> Well you started as a junior message class so you know that >> thank you. Um any well you covered mostly you covered the two new business
8. 8:15issues with the truck delivery and the >> yeah next month about hopefully we got hopefully trucks here in this area >> by next month you know it be at least the dealership so hopefully >> I do have a question um is there any like formal language between the county and the department about what you're signing on to and agreeing to do in case >> I have No. >> Yeah, that was the first thing. >> That was the first in question, Val. That and that was their their pressing with it. That's their press. There's nothing has to change. It's just as if you were walking down the street and somebody fell down and you fall under the same as, oh, we are. We're not changing anything, you know. >> There's no liability there. That was and that was a big that was kind of like a big push back and a big question when they were doing this and they've dabbed their tees and all that stuff. So, okay. law. >> Yeah. So, it's not really an agreement with the county. We're just, you know, we're supporting. >> We're Yeah. It's no different than if like in the past we've been called for cardiac arrest to assist whether it be, you know, a lift or come down because
9. 9:19they're short on man. We've going to before just now we actually dispatch. >> Okay. >> And with the the boat as well, we're going to be reaching out to the boat club um for some additional training um with with docking and different things. We don't do it all the time. Um, so I talked to a few of the guys and they're definitely willing. So, we're going to talk to members of the bowl club and get that try a couple bites to to get guys better familiarized with with docking in and out um down at the club since the power association is gracious enough to get six spot um instead of a number. So, >> well, I'll piggy back on that. the south spots that the boat club have are um at the what what was the language? It's we we have those spots only to service emergency um services. So we have Green County Rescue. We have the sheriff Columb County Sheriff's and the Hudson Fire boat sorry Greenport Rescue County Sheriff
10. 10:22and the Hudson Fire because the city docks do not have space for the new fire boat. Otherwise, we would love for it to be there >> because it's on city property, but um you also don't have a locked gate and you don't have water and electric. So, that's the only reason why it's over there is so because we can house it and provide that service. So, we're hopefully going to move it and I guess now I'm speaking as the doc master of Bob. We are going to move that to eventually so it's right off the park and make it a little shorter distance for if there ever were to be an emergency for you guys to get out there. We're going to leave you a little passcode um where it used to be. There used to be a gate access that the city used for the last 20 years um to have a little shorter run, go through the park if there's ever emergency, go right out there, run out to the water. Um and it's big enough to use in an emergency. Um and we saw the new additions, the the
11. 11:25alterations to the boat, little anchor holes and whatnot. And um and I guess I would be that person just showing them how to get in and out of those tight spots. >> Whoever, >> sorry, >> whoever. >> Whoever it is operating the boat. We do have some wellvered dockers at the club that can just the river is very tricky and there's there's a tide that's quite strong at times. Um sometimes it's up to like five and a half knots. So that's really hard to dock anytime there's wind. So, and that bullet is twice the size of the old song. And it's a big bull. Yeah. We appreciate it. >> You are welcome. Um, so anything else for fire? >> Got a question? >> Any questions for fire online? >> Yeah, you got bills. Okay. >> Yeah. Can you hear me? >> I can hear you, Bill. Um, is this for fire? >> Yeah, it is. >> Okay. >> Um, we got two two quick ones. Uh maybe um is the fire department or the
12. 12:31representatives from the fire department aware that the digital sign of theirs on the Sixth Street side of the fire station is broken? The side facing south is been broken for several months. >> Yep. We're waiting for a quote for the park so it can get replaced. However, because it's an old sign, it's taking longer than expected. Did you hear that? >> Yeah, I I heard that. So the expected time of fix is any idea when that's going to happen? >> Could be a couple months. We're waiting for a quote from uh the manufacturer. >> Huh. So could should be this year. Hey, I'm also wondering if uh fire department is aware of how often uh all the fire hydrants in the city get tested. Is it yearly? Is it uh every other year, six years, 10 years? >> Yearly. Yearly they get tested. They get flushed. The city and DPW city water department handles that. They do they go through yearly. >> They test them yearly. >> They go through them yearly. Yes. >> Thank you.
13. 13:33>> At night, I believe. >> What's that? >> At night, right? Yeah. >> They do their own test. That's That's the city water department handles that. >> Anything else, Bill? You want fire? Um, >> I'm wondering if somebody from the fire department wants to wants to mention or talk about the the uh accident on December, excuse me, January January 2nd involving the fire, the new fired engine, and if there was any serious or expensive uh damage to the truck >> damage being fixed, insurance is handling it. No injuries. >> No injuries. >> Yep. >> Was the car that was hit totaled? >> I don't know. I don't have that information. >> See, thank you. >> It was parked illegally though. That helps for insurance on our end. Thank you, Bill. Um, anyone else with fire questions?
14. 14:37Oh, actually, I do have one that I should have brought up um last month. Uh when I was down talking to the residents on Tanner's Lane, and I think I already know the answer, but I'm just going to ask. There is a fire hydrant um 3/4 of the way down. Well, it's just about I don't know 200 yards past the intersection across and Tanner that is out of commission. Um if maybe you could guys look just look into it to make sure that I know you have a lot of hose on the truck and you could probably reach wherever you need to reach. Uh but they the last two residents expressed some concern and I just wanted to put their worries at ease. >> Take a look at Tuesday night. Think about some of like some of those you know some of those areas you know there's times which we specifically don't even use in the city just they're small and you know you get the 4 in lines we're not going to get the water we need from and we know that you know we prepare for that. So but yeah we'll look into it. Thank you so much. Um that's all I've got for fire.
15. 15:39Have a great evening gentlemen. Hope it's a quiet one. >> Is that a buzz word? >> It's all right. >> I'll I'll set my toaster on fire later. >> Burn some toast. >> Burn some toast. >> So, what do you say? It's not quiet. Hope you have a great night. Have a good evening. Okay, moving on to uh the police department. Um, in the monthly reports, please. >> Sure. >> Uh, so the body warn camera report didn't indicate any training needs. Um, we had zero defensive action reports, 34 arrests for 50 charges. We had seven emotionally disturbed person calls uh and zero calls involving drug overdose or suspected drug overdose. >> Nice. >> Uh, some of those emotionally disturbed person calls are the same people. Um and on that I did meet um with a couple of neighbors from the 100 block of war
16. 16:44lower neighbors about some trouble folks down there and some um new people who are creating a few problems for them. Um, but it was a good meeting just discuss like our visibility down there. Um, and options for them when these things are happening to call us, video cameras, looking into other cameras for us to have down there as kind of like a protection method. Um, so the issue is like we we get into this cyclical pattern where there's not always enough resources and then the resources that are available aren't being utilized to to where they could be. So it's unfortunate just add to like yes tell them to call you but also my job is on front street and they are down there often looking for an outlet in the bathroom >> but they don't have that permission to use. So even just if somebody is aware where there's an outside outlet like
17. 17:47>> direct them like that's resources that they're looking for also not even just >> social service resources just basic needs being met. Yeah, I think the concerns with the neighbors are folks are going on their property to use the bathroom and and different things and then when they say, "Hey, can you just like move along?" Then there's there becomes like a conflict. Um so they they have been trying to to navigate that whole situation. >> Maybe we could ask the county building to keep a a bathroom open in the evening. I'm sure there's going to be cameras on the county building once that actually >> but >> during the day maybe >> they don't do that either do that for closers would be empty they're open to they're open >> they don't let them use it >> whatever it >> Yeah >> yeah well it's unfortunate we kind of know with the people that use it So they see them walk in.
18. 18:49>> They come to the station. >> Yeah. Well, yeah, that's generally where I direct people. HPD has a bathroom in. Well, I guess I don't tell them they come to city hall much anymore. Uh, yeah, that's a good spot all the way up town, air conditioned. Uh, thank you for the report. >> Question. I have a question. Um, >> EWC, the video thing, >> the camera said no training needed. I mean, what is that? I mean, what kind of training like what >> it just means that like reviewing the body warn camera reports that there's no interactions of like um abuse from our officers or anything like that that would would say that we need to train an officer in something >> like a policy retrain or something. >> Right. Right. if they didn't follow a policy or if they, you know, we did get say a use of force incident where we would have to review it and say that they were within policy or not within policy.
19. 19:51>> Yeah. So the sergeants review them to make sure there's no issues. >> Do we have any issues previously? >> No, not general. >> All this time I had no >> no problem. Thank you. >> Um, any questions about the monthly report from anyone in the room? Audience member? >> Yes. Um, Brent Krueger, resident owner, Warren Street. Do you have the number of speeding tickets? >> We're going to get to that. >> Okay. >> Um, if if you don't mind, >> thank you. Um, it's not on new business, but I know it was brought up last month. Actually, if you want to take care of it now, we don't have to >> go through data. I don't have that data. >> Okay. That's what you said, >> correct? Yes. >> Last month and you said, Captain Miller, that you usually have that information with you and that you would bring it. It's so it's a it's a >> it's a two-part question though. First, it's a total number of speeding tickets in speeding tickets on Lauren Street specifically. So, it's a quarterly
20. 20:53report guess or estimate. Thank you, Logan. I can't. >> It's a It's a slow click sometimes. Um, would you be able to get us some data for next month? >> Yes. Thank you very much. um on the speeding issue and uh speed devices in town. I'm only remembering some old stuff from like 12 years ago, but are we is there some and I'm probably remembering this incorrectly, but do we have the ability to use a radar gun in town or is there some >> Mhm. >> Okay. I know we have >> some of the cars are equipped with radars and then we also have like a handheld radar. So >> I was under the impression there was some New York state law saying in a city of a certain size we couldn't. But great to hear that. >> Yeah. >> Does our radar trailer work still or is it being fixed or something like that? >> So it doesn't capture like collect the data but it does has the have the
21. 21:58ability to to actually see the read the speech. >> Could we deploy it maybe >> at um >> we actually talked about that last week. >> Awesome. So, it's really just a matter of where you might want it. >> Well, for for me, um, >> upper warden, >> uh, I have Do you Where do you Are you a couple of suggestions? >> Well, are you on the three or 400 block or 700? Where? >> So, I've lived on the 600 block for 22 years. And I just probably similar to everyone in the room, as soon as the weather turns, uh, loud cars, loud noises, nice weather, and burnouts are almost synonymous for as soon as the weather changes. Just it's like clockwork. Um, and we have tall buildings and everything gets louder every what 15 feet as the acoustics reverberate off both buildings, >> both sides of the street. Um, and I've noticed that just in the last two weeks, we have a nice posy burnout on South Third going up Warren Street past
22. 23:02Steiners. That's a very impressive burnout. >> Um, and I'm sure that was pretty loud. Um, and we have a lot of people that like to come to town and drive their nice car and rip up the street and maybe they're not speeding, but would some of that, you know, rapid acceleration qualify as qualify as dangerous driving or reckless driving? >> Um, I don't know exactly how the definition of reckless is. Yeah. >> But I think there might have to be some subsequent um like injury or some kind of danger. >> All right. And so the supervisors were advised of this complaint. Got >> um during the supervisor's meeting when you when he when he brought it up and they have been checking that area, but when you talk about speed, they're just not finding that speed there. Now you're I know I hear you talking about other things which >> it's not it's I can only imagine it's really difficult to you know you're not going to find someone doing that if it's in 100 feet and they're gone. Sorry. >> No, no. Right. So, we're talking about
23. 24:05two different things. >> Yeah. >> But they are they're they were told they were advised of the complaint and uh that's where we're at because their concerns were our guys do check that. We're not finding that speed. Although it may seem like they're going and I'm sure that other stuff is happening, but that's not a speed violation per se. That's what you're talking about. Another thing. >> Yeah. You accelerate to 25 and you let off the gas. It's loud. You've done what you want it to do. That's probably a really fine line to get someone on. Um, >> but we can still deploy the speed trailer. >> And I might suggest near the truck route. Maybe we could put it near Hudson Roastery to increase that area where the truck has to turn. Maybe near the pedestrian crosswalk. Give a little bit of buffer zone and sight. Maybe. >> Yeah, we would. Since ours is pretty big, we would just have to figure out where it wouldn't impede any traffic on warrant or parking for that matter. But >> well, let's lose space. >> I mean, but we can certainly lose a space. How many we have? One or two? >> We have one, right? >> Yeah. What what we use like for flag day for the bigger events are DOT or from
24. 25:09state DOT. So those aren't ours. >> Um so yeah, if you could um around 7 that seems like a a great spot. It is our heaviest traffic street, the truck route. >> Yeah, it's not a problem. >> Thank you so much. >> I mean affordable one. Um, I don't know where that is now, but if we can get that charged, um, I think I gave Kaiser the contact information for that. You can actually collect the data from that. >> Which one is that? >> Is that the the >> No, the one that the one we the one like the ones um by Harry Howard Avenue and Worth Avenue. Worth Avenue that can collect data. Tell me about the signs. The speed signs like the ones that's on Harry House >> speed radar. Oh, >> that can set like the >> Those are fixed, aren't they? They can't be, can they? >> No, there's one portable one that there's a little one that's meant to be. >> Do you know where that one is right now?
25. 26:12>> I thought it was at Oakdale. >> I don't think so. I don't think it's right. >> Oh, yeah. We have one on Oakdale. What is that? We bought two of them. One's portable and one's P. So they >> Okay. So right so right now we have there's one at Oakdale and Harry Howard. >> Yeah. They're all fixed. >> There's one. It's like a suitcase portable one that can come scrap and it takes it back. >> I've never seen it. >> Maybe. >> No, I think ask Kaiser. I think he's like because that there's a I gave him a connection with a guy that he'll come down. >> There's daddy clock. >> Okay. Even if even if the light even if you can collect and it collects both waves even though radar is one it collects both waves >> okay >> the data um you know in time whatever you can the query it's whatever you want >> so the nice thing is it is portable battery operated it's you know so you can set it someplace for two weeks >> for the battery
26. 27:15>> cool thank >> can someone take it if we left it somewhere >> I saw you get a strap to a pole Okay, >> point a camera at it. >> Yep. >> Um, >> there is one by seventh up there in that area anyway. A camera. So, >> great. That'll put it in front of the camera. That's even better solutions. >> Thank you. Any questions from council members about I guess we're still on the monthly report. >> Okay. No, great. Moving on. Uh, >> no. I'm sorry. anything uh from Captain Miller or Chief Franklin? >> I'll just uh go over the parking reports. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> Before I start that, just so you know, for May, we had 975 incidences u that HPD responded to in one form or another >> just for the month. >> Oh, for the total. >> So, basically, I think last month was around the same number. So, we had basically almost 2,000 incidences that we HPD had to handle.
27. 28:18um documented incidences that we have to handle just so you know. Okay. For parking for May, we issued 3,35 parking tickets. We had 2,378 of them paid for a total of $49,652. Last month we had um 63,000 paid and I don't know if that number went down by 13,000 because of the uh I know they changed the parking rules for the weekends. So we I know we lose the revenue or or the enforcement during that time during the weekend. So I don't know if that that could be related there. We had 25 um hooted vehicles, but our overall increase it was 10% from this time last night. And that's about it. Thank you. Um
28. 29:20since we're on parking, do you I know that the kiosk locations were chosen. >> Do you have a rough estimate on when they will be installed? So originally when we were with a tech they said first or second week of June. I sent an email today to confirm when that was going to happen and I have not heard back. >> Okay. >> Um I can give you or I could forward you if you want me to list them out here for locations. One of those locations we might be adjusting. Um there was a request by a business owner where one of those were to see if we can shift that. So we'll have to we'll have to look at that first. >> Okay. >> So I can you want me to list them off here? >> Yeah. >> Um 136 Warren uh 213 Warren near Thirstston Park 425 Warren uh by Finch. The park by Finch. >> Uh 516 Warren 539 Warren. So, the park next to the old Mexican radio.
29. 30:22>> Yeah. >> 606 Warren. That is the one we're going to try to shift a little bit. 701 Warren, 722 Warren, 751 Warren, and 735 Columbia in front of TJ Auto. >> Oh, great. Um, good luck. >> Are they solar and electric or >> they will just be solar? So, two of them have to be converted to solar. Mhm. >> Um and the company will do that when they come and install them. >> Okay. >> Yeah. The one in front of Old Key Liquors is going to be hard to find a spot that's there's no pocket park up there. >> Don't put it on my side. Um All right. Moving on. Unless there are any questions about parking. Question on line. Is it is it about parking bill or can we wait till the end where we can give you all the questions? Um, parking. Um, yeah, I do have a question about the
30. 31:25parking uh new paid parking system. >> I'm curious. It seems to me that all projects, especially the big ones, um, have a, um, estimated uh, finish time when everything's complete. It's running on its own. And I'm wondering if somebody from the police department can tell us when the new paid parking system is going to be all in place, all the kiosks, all the signs, everything that's needed, and uh it's all done and ready to go. >> You mean the remaining 10 kiosks though? >> Well, as I as I as I understand it, those 10 kiosks cannot cover the entire area of the paid zone right now. I mean, you you can't have just one kiosk on one side of a block, can you? And call that a complete coverage for the block. >> There's plenty of those instances in Albany. >> Okay. >> And other municipalities. >> Okay. So, your your answer is yes. That some of these blocks, if not all of the
31. 32:28block, all nine blocks on Warren are going to have one kiosk on one side of the street for for users. >> Yes, that's correct. >> Okay. So, if somebody's on >> She just explained it in great detail. If somebody's on the even side of the street and they need to use a kite kiosk, you're expecting them to walk to the other side of the street and find the kiosk. Is that correct? >> No, I'm not expecting them to. That is their choice. There are other options of pay to pay. >> But you want people using the kiosk, right? >> Thank you, Bill. Is it 16 even? >> No, they can use the signs also, right? They don't need sign. >> There's so many options >> if they have their phone, of course. to add. >> Well, remember, Bill, this is a a a problem that was not a problem. And the city previous administration spent $250,000 on a solution that did not to be have to happen. So, we're doing as best we can and it does not feel perfect in a lot of circumstances, but we're limping along trying to get to where we need to be to
32. 33:32make everybody happy. Does the police department feel the same way as you, Henry, that they'd rather not be in this position right now? That it's the previous administration's fault? >> No, I feel like we've we're running parking uh pretty great, actually. I'm very proud of >> Amazingly well. >> Yeah, I'm very proud. And there's just so many options now for the public to use, whether it's kiosk, sign, the uh codes, um they can even not use the parking and park in the free area. So, there's there's plenty of options for the public. um the work that they did at DPW parking the the older uh persons everything it's it's going great. I'm really proud actually. >> Yeah. >> I have I have one last question please. >> I want to know. >> Yeah. The does does Captain Miller understand how bad the >> I'm going there. Sorry. Thank you so much, Bill. We'll get you with another question in a minute. Logan, could you please >> Thank you. >> Uh Lloyd, >> you have something? Yeah. >> Yes. Thank you, Lloyd.
33. 34:35>> I was just curious that I heard um there was changes to the parking and I just I'm not familiar with the community >> alternate side parking on Friday night and Saturday night was suspended on in May. >> Usually it goes till Labor Day. >> Yes. May for the season >> from now from May until like Labor Day. >> Thank you. >> Uh, anything else on parking from the police department? >> Oh, no. >> Oh, no. Sorry. >> Okay. Council members, anything? Moving on to new business. Awesome. Um, so I have under new business. If anybody wanted an agenda, it's up here and not by the chair, but it's old news. Uh, we've been talking about uh signage in Hudson for a while, >> for uh probably 20 years.
34. 35:37>> Um, so I picked out a few spots that I would like us to have to request code enfor. I'm sorry, DPW and code for person. And please chime in if anything strikes you as poorly thought out. Um where we can put up some no entrance signs for our one-way streets. Uh only in the last couple weeks. I think we've all probably seen it. Um a lot of one-way streets get abused um by visitors because they just don't know. Sometimes residents take them, too. I've done it by accident. It happens. Um, but one really two major spots would be North Seven, uh, across from, well, where Bagel Time used to be, uh, Ean Thai. >> Mhm. >> Um, and the blue Galvan steel building there across from was that Upper Depot. >> Um, so that doesn't have a no entrance, I believe, >> from the alley. from the main from state to
35. 36:41>> state to north seven. >> Um and if we can just make even just a short list today and then send it to DPW. So next week at code enforcement uh we can just remind Rob that we'd love to have them there. It's even if it's a couple grand to get all these signs done, I really think the litigation potential that we could mitigate in the future would be awesome. So, North 7th at State and and Colombia and North Sixth >> Farmers Market. >> The Farmers Market. Especially the is that the Old Presbyterian, whatever that is now, the Hudson Sound Barnscape, whatever it's called. That those two are really bad. And it's also very poor sight line coming around and it's already a truck route out and relatively fast street. Um I was going to bring up the long alley and prison alley but
36. 37:47maybe just baby steps to get there. We we have a couple up now would be great. >> Okay. >> Um so then there would be the other one would be North and Colombia. I we don't have one there either and we have a lot of traffic going down that street as well. Um it is the visual thoroughfare from the asylum to the I'm sorry old library >> to the uh asylum uh to >> lesson right now. >> Yeah. To the county courthouse. Um and it is a beautiful thoroughare and people just don't notice and we and the Galvan hotel is going to come online soon. So, I think it'd be just a really good spot to have those three locations marked. And I know they're probably 350 assigned, but better than somebody coming around fast and getting slammed. Um, and we did have the conversation at the council meeting, and we definitely had it last month or before the no right turn on red signs.
37. 38:50>> And two of those are the same exact location. We have one at North Fourth, I believe. Yes, we do. But we don't have one at North 6th in Columbia. And that one's a pretty bad. Um, so just for now, we could put those three, sorry, four locations for signs up on the list >> and just one no right sign, right? >> For now, just one no right sign. Um, I know we'll have to order a couple down the line, but the sooner the better. Um especially since we had the pedestrian incident in January or December, whenever it was, and um uh Captain Millie referring to one pedestrian versus car this month. >> Maybe a sign wouldn't have helped there, but just to to protect our pedestrians in the future. >> Yes, sir. >> Also, there's a sign in Colombia, the truck sign. >> Mhm. The actually truck boot is from third street to up not the down. I believe the signs
38. 39:56look like it's the whole Columbus is truck round. So that sign need to be the sign. >> You know what I'm talking about? >> I don't Well, Columbia is the truck route. >> Not the whole thing. >> No, at Third Street it turns down South Third, right? Yeah. Yeah. >> So you're saying the position is not working like the sign is for like >> Yeah. So to reposition it >> where where is >> third old Tony Cret >> it literally was a double arrow. >> Yeah. The double arrow indicating maps. take some white out and go over one. >> Thank you. >> Any other recommendations from the council members for science? >> No. Okay. Anyone online?
39. 41:03Margaret? >> No. Uh nothing on on the signage that you've mentioned but um probably for another meeting uh the intersection that you're talking about at 7th and Colombia. Um I think that could probably benefit from being a four-way stop. It is a very difficult intersection, but I think it's I think that requires having a traffic engineer look at it. I don't it's not a simple question. >> Yeah. >> Because because making So when you're coming down Colombia and making the left turn onto 7th to go to Warren, uh the cars coming up Colombia do not have a stop sign. Uh the cars coming on 7th to the right have a stop sign
40. 42:10and I don't believe there is a stop sign for the cars coming down uh Columbia to turn left onto 7th and that that particular intersection to me is quite dangerous but I I don't think it Henry I don't think it's a um I don't I would prefer to get the opinion of a traffic engineer on that one. Uh but that intersection to me is it's like the sai thing where you're coming down seventh etc. You've already mentioned the no entry signs. Um that but that to me is a problematic intersection. >> Yeah, I remember some of that conversation was the proximity to the CSX tracks heading west. >> No, that's that No, that's on the other that's on the other side. That's a different issue. That's on the other side. I'm talking about when you're coming down Colombia. >> Uh Colia does, >> right? You're coming down Columbia. Colombia does not have any stop signs. Uh you've got cars, you got cars coming
41. 43:14one way on 7th. They do have a stop sign. Um you're trying to make a left on you're trying to make a left onto 7th and you It's It's tricky. Uh but I I I don't have a a simple answer to that one and I think uh we should probably get a a professional opinion on what the appropriate signage would be in that intersection. My my you know nonprofessional opinion is that if that were a four-way stop that might be a good thing. >> Margaret, I believe the the reason it's not a four-way stop is because the CSX tracks right there by Lies. So, if you're coming there, I think it's uh difficult of where to locate >> that one stop sign >> you do it after the tracks, then it could potentially back people up on the tracks. You do it before and then people have to turn make that weird turn from Speedway. Um and then that would be a stop sign.
42. 44:16>> So, it's a little Yeah. No, I I think there are reasons why it's not there, which is why I'm not saying that that's what it should be because I'm not a traffic engineer, but I do think that that intersection is problematic. >> Makes sense to me. Thank you, Margaret. >> Can I propose that we hold the rest of like public's comments until after if it's not department specific until the public section >> specific to the conversation? I know they I think if we move through our agenda and then you have public comment when it's department specific that makes sense for you to be able to chime in because they might leave in the middle of the meeting. But I think we should reserve public comment. >> Yeah, we we'll get to you and we'll back right up into my head. >> Me too. My hair. >> Uh thank you very much. Um on sign everybody. Uh we're going to move on. Um I >> You're not the only one. There's other people I'm trying to talk to. give it to me. >> Uh so I I got an update and thank you
43. 45:19Manda for Chief Franklin for uh giving me some information. Um and at the formal meeting I brought it up and at the informal meeting uh we did get a response from the from Basilica and the people who through the revalry event um about the overflow of cars and the disaster of parking that happened on May 13th. Um they were and they were very apologetic. uh they reached out to Joe and said they, you know, admitted that they made a goof and will work better in the future. And uh Chief Franklin, if you had anything to add on to that. >> Yeah, I think um there was a lot of confusion between Basilica and the owner of Revalry as far as what needed to be done. Um because obviously she understood it to be if it was a private event on private property, there'd be no need for a masc. uh uh last year's
44. 46:23event, they were able to utilize Karusa's the hall road which was now closed to them this year. They had partial of the event in another in another spot. So all the parking and part of the event spilled over onto public property and state the state boat launch which created a huge hazard. Um but the meeting that I I had and Lieutenant Piro had with uh with Lulu from Revalry again, she was very apologetic. Um and we told essentially we left the meeting considering the following for her to apply for a mass gathering permit for next year. A shuttle service to re reduce vehicle numbers down um down in that area especially close in proximity to Amtrak and train tracks. Uh private security for outside um or ask us to assist um with traffic flow and control. um discussion with Amtrak as far as like what are offlimits for parking, where they should and not be and then planning
45. 47:25meeting with the city, fire department, uh HPD before the event. So, we know exactly where what is happening and where. Um because there was no mass gathering. There was no input by us or any information for us to even have when the event was happening. Um, but yeah, I emailed her the mass gathering and she said she would complete one for next year and be in touch. >> Great. Thank you, >> Henry. Henry, I've been trying to raise my hand, but I have not been able to for some reason. If I may speak. >> Yes, absolutely. >> Yes. So, um I I had spoken to someone from um Basilica and apparently the uh group that was organizing this submitted a parking plan to Basilica. I don't know, Chief, if you received that parking plan. Um, >> yep. I have also not received it to Well, I've been away for a week, so I haven't been on my email. I may have
46. 48:28received it during the week. Um but a fundamental thing to me is if the uh location that was renting out its space aka basilica to an entity received a parking plan that involved use of public space, public parking etc. Uh that that should have triggered a mass gathering permit. And something I think we need to look at is that if um uh locations are leasing out spaces to entities who are submitting parking plans that involve uh public streets that we need to make it clear to them that they have an obligation to inform their clients that within the city of Hudson uh they need to apply for parking uh for a mass gathering permit and they need to talk to the police department. Um outsiders cannot be expected to know what the mass
47. 49:32gathering rules are. However, companies in the city of Hudson who are renting out space to uh clients coming into the city uh should have an obligation to inform their clients of what the rules are within the city of Hudson. And I I I do feel I have still not seen the parking plan. Um but I do feel that there should have been some responsibility for the vendor here to inform their client that they needed to submit a um mass gathering permit. And it's good that this client now is on board for f for the future. But in general, if any um any uh entity, any uh venue space is going to be uh renting out their venue to a client, they need to inform their client of the rules within the city of Hudson with regard to mass gathering permits. That's all I
48. 50:35have to say. >> Thank you, Margaret. I agree with you fully. It's especially when somebody has been in here long enough or has been here long enough and filed dozens and dozens of mass gathering permits should kind of known this would have been um a misstep. And the the Henry, the analog to this is if you are uh a short-term rental person and you are let's say you are you fall into the category of people who are renting out their home. Um for up to 60 days a year. Um, you should inform the people who are renting your home of what the rules are within the city, what the what day it is that you put the garbage out, what the rules are, etc. That's sort of just basic stuff that you do when you are engaging with a client to use a space in Hudson. You inform them of the rules.
49. 51:40>> You're here. >> Thank you. Anything else regarding that? I don't think so. Right, everyone? Yay. Okay. Um, I had another item on new business which um they're not here so I will not go in depth about it at all. Well, unless code has any comment. Um, I know it really involves code and I'm sorry I did not give you your proper space on the agenda. we will do better for next month because it would probably be best if we got a report from code just like we do from fire and police so you can update the city on what the heck's going on. So actually after I I'm done blathering maybe we'll give you a little bit to say anything that you have. But the issue I had was the uh scooter rental business that was in town. Um that does not necessarily and it's not their fault. they are going on the information given by the city. Um
50. 52:44they just are not being held to it uh because it's a few there are a few chart charter violations in the agreements that we have between them in the city. So they were they had a scooter business in town now under a vendor permit. It has not been vetted by the council and that's generally how we do things and not to throw them under the bus but it would be best that we do it legally and properly so we protect our customers and the public as it is a business operating on public land and we are in the business of protecting the public. Um so that's all I have for that. We'll table at that particular thing till next month so we can get maybe them here to speak for themselves. Um so anything else from council members regarding this kind of stuff? Anything great? Anybody from the audience? We're going to do code first and then it's loy time unless it's about scoops.
51. 53:47>> How about the police? How about the stuff we just went over? >> All right. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Thank you very much. Let's do that. >> Appreciate that. I got brief. check because uh I have to remember now because my train is bo 7 I think part of the problem they have diff >> and then you have the truck coming down there they have to stop >> that'll probably chew up the road >> remember how bad six Columbia was next to the Lutheran church >> how the sidewalk was so chewed up >> I was told that was because the trucks >> and they sit there for Yes. Yeah, you're right. and sitting there. So, and besides jamming things up front, you probably need a study when I just off the top of my head that seemed like um do things for the police. So, I thought to be on North 6 uh right by the alley by uh county and I saw this guy speeding right by me. I think it was Friday and then I think I saw three cop with police cars, you know, in pursuit. Did you catch that guy? He he it he was. Yes.
52. 54:52>> The one that took off down 66 all the way out there. Yeah. >> That guy was speeding. >> CCSO ended up stopping him out in 9H. >> Like just past the circle. >> Wow. That far. >> Oh, that far. >> How did this happen? >> He was avoiding >> stop spike stop. >> Oh, what did >> spike strips? >> Okay. >> Yeah. know what that is. >> So pokey things that they say they fly in his tires. >> We stopping. >> No. >> Uh just two more things real quick before >> you got another half a minute. You're fire. Let's do it. >> Thank you. Um now I'm confused again. You see that's what happens when you get into that would have been done already. >> Usually he does have notebooks. I'm >> No, I don't use the I thought extraordinius. Just shimmer with us, Lloyd. >> I'm shimmering. I'm shimmering. So, the other one and this Oh, I already told
53. 55:54you this. Oh. Oh my god. Peace. >> Yes. >> There was a uh I Well, I guess this is an incident in this, but do we know when that that was uprooted? >> Did you ever figure that out? >> Sometime maybe between the 5th and the 7th. >> No, it's before that because it was May 4th. I heard about it at conservation acting. >> I think our I think our report says that someone last saw it on the 5th. So the timelines might be off and whoever reported it. >> Well, you can go to the conservation advisory comm council meeting tomorrow and you can talk to Joshua who talked at the conservation advisory committee on May 4th >> and he talked about the tree being missing at that meeting. So I'm thinking it was the weekend before. >> Wow. So >> if it was I don't think they reported it or whoever. >> No, I was just wondering when my So was reported probably after that. >> Yes. >> So I'm thinking that's what happened >> probably.
54. 56:55>> Yeah. I was just curious. I know Tracy was on it. >> Yeah. Oh, thank you. >> Um anyone online? >> Question. >> Yeah, you got Ronald Fire away. Ronald. >> Yes. Hi. With respect to the scooter business, I looked up uh code and I was unclear as to whether they fall under a vendor license because strictly speaking, they're not selling the scooters, >> they're renting them. >> Right. >> Correct. The closest thing we have would be the vendor permit which is on uh it's in section 3073 where the vendors are on the city charter and it is specifically 307-8 where it talks about uh signage regulation and location. So in short they are if they are a vendor then they would be held to something very similar to what we have with Hudson Pattis. Um, and that would mean that signage must be
55. 57:59approved by code enforcement um and regulated and removed every night, I believe, at 9:00 p.m. with all of the materials and then reinstalled the next day. >> Uh, so they would not be allowed to sit overnight, especially on public property. Um, and then definitely not in a residential district. So that would be Front Street for example where a few are located. >> They are not they they don't have a permanent location. They are not renting a shop or anything. They're just setting up on the sidewalk. Correct. >> Yeah. So it's a little >> Henry Henry. Henry, may I speak to this? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Sorry. I don't want to get too crazy, but please go as far as you want to go. >> Sorry. just I I since they're not here um and they have >> No, I I also don't want to get too crazy. I just want to respond to Ronald. Um Ronald, I think this is something that we need to take a look at over the next month and um as indicated they are
56. 59:05not selling anything. So the analog here is Hudson pal paddles and uh the arrangement that the city has with Hudson paddles would probably be a template for the appropriate range arrangement for renting scooters. And so I think this is something that we need to take offline and take a look at and see what the appropriate arrangement is between this business and the city. >> Thanks very much. >> You're welcome. Um, moving on. I think the goal be to encourage and just learn by what's going on because we don't want to discourage. We want to encourage and make sure that moving forward any any process is followed clear and the expectations there. It's not fair to vendor if you're getting two different stories and the expectations. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. and we just need some protections legally for us as a city and for them as well. >> Um, moving on to code enforcement. Nick,
57. 1:00:09if you have anything any hot issues you want to discuss or bring up or it's my first time here. >> Yes, of course. Yeah. >> So, I wasn't as prepared as I probably could have been. I didn't bring a a monthly report. >> Good. Um, but there's some things um we're working on at the code enforcement department, including using a system that's been in place called IPS, which will more digitize the our reports and stuff like that. So, in that case, when that's up and running correctly, I'd be able to access the reports right here in front of me. Um, but nevertheless, uh, I didn't know if you guys wanted to talk about the pocketbook factory and the >> Yeah. >> noises that we had from that, >> please. >> Um, oops, I left for the noise regulations here. But believe it's what during the day
58. 1:01:11residential it's 55. Let me get there. Yes, during the day in the residential zone um that the Washington street where all the complaints are coming from is 55 dB during the day. Um I went around various places within the city in that same zone. Um, and well, long story short, uh, Washington Street is essentially the quietest street in our city, even with those things running. >> That's crazy. >> Um, during the day and at night, they are well within the noise ordinance. Um, I also connected with Neil, the um, one who's leading the charge with the noise complaint there, and he let me take a reading right from his backyard and was a Jean at 42.2 dB in the middle of the day, and that
59. 1:02:15was with the lawnmower running at the Pocketbook Factory, well below the 55 dB allowed. So, from a code perspective, they're making no violations at the Pocketbook Factory. Do you foresee anything possibly changing when the weather starts to really turn and all the AC units and HBAC units might be running at once? >> It's quite a possibility. >> Could we revisit to it? Yeah. Um, according to Neil, um, he thinks it's loudest uh, in the middle of the day when the exhausts are running from the restaurant, which is going to be a problem all over the city, though. those same exhaust systems are used all over the place. Um so if that's a president precedent that we want to set >> um >> I some like you said being the quietest neighborhood it is easier to hear the juxaposition >> right >> from something yeah >> I think it's they were used to it being very quiet and I took readings at
60. 1:03:17Parkwood and Oakwood and over on a um and they were still well below then um Aken a which we know is a really quiet one was 48 8.8 dB. And then at Mid Washington, you're at 39.4, which is 9 dB below that even though they're well below it. >> And so >> that's an answer that works. >> Yeah, there's there's nothing I can do to enforce what they've done there. >> Um the parking over there is a whole another story. Um but supposedly they're getting that for example there and that would help to divert some of that. >> Yeah. Uh I don't remember but are they supposed to pave that or are we are they not paving it? >> They're I believe from the looks of the plan that was approved by the council last month looks like it's the the handicap spots are paved but the rest is gravel.
61. 1:04:19>> Yeah. Um, I could be wrong, but that's kind of the way I read it. >> I'm not sure. >> I haven't was curious. >> But, you know, I know that they they are utilizing it already. I pass area when I'm at the firehouse. Um there's also, you know, just if they need the extra, they've also reached out and uh to Shan, fire chief to if they need the extra and we're not using it to kind of alleviate and they'll utilize more if there's no snow or no event at the firehouse for extra to try to alleviate even more parking for bigger events that they have. I think it's clearly in their best interest to pave it to entice people to go over there because some of the clientele cars they're driving might not want to park in a dirt parking lot. >> So, a roty dirt parking lot. >> If if I could if I could pri provide an update here >> uh because I met I met with Sean on this. Um they were waiting for the approval of the revised uh lease. They then have to get site plan approval I
62. 1:05:22believe from the planning board and once they have those approvals they can then uh they are intending to pave it and to put up signage and so forth but until they've gone through the various steps within the city to get the lease agreed to to get the site plan approved. Once that's done then they can start doing investing and doing the paving in that lot. That is their plan. >> Thank you. Welcome. >> Good update. >> A lot of work. Thank you. That was nice. >> Thank you. Um, vacant buildings about also. Um, so I think on file right now we have less than 20 buildings that are labeled vacant. I don't know that all of them are on the vacant building registry. Um, I've been making my rounds around the city to see what I can locate and I found I'm not done yet. I'm probably about 3/4 of the way and driving down
63. 1:06:25every road and everything through the city, but I believe I've located over 50 that I would consider vacant buildings. Um, I'll have to pull out the files, see if people are living then, uh, see if they have any violations on file to be able to force them to register >> to be on the vacant building registry and then be able to enforce the codes and fines and whatnot that go along with it. >> Okay. What do you mean vacant though? if if a building has no um is vacant but no damage or anything outside and that's not an issue, right? It it it goes on board windows and things like that. >> And that's something I kind of wanted to touch on you guys about anyway. So, um it's defined as a vacant building if it's unoccupied and unsecured. >> Unoccupied and secured by means other than normal, right? unoccupied and unsafe building as determined by the
64. 1:07:27code enforcement officer. Unoccupied has multiple housing or building code violations or illegally occupied. Now, some of these buildings that I've can clearly tell are vacant empty. Uh that's why I have to go through the folder, but they look like they wouldn't have any violations on file. Um if I didn't know who I was living there, I would assume it's a well manicured Nice looking house. >> Do we want to classify these as vacant buildings? How far are we going into this? >> Well, maybe we take back your list first and we worry about that maybe next month or after you have a hold on the 50 or so you've identified. I remember the list that was up for grabs from up for graphs. The list, the tentative list put together from Galvan to Bard had 40 potentially vacant properties on it. So I can only assume a number of these are in that.
65. 1:08:28>> Oh, sure. Yeah. >> Yeah. But he jump he jumped by just having a building permit for it. So that kind of puts the clock on the vacancy, right? >> Uh yeah, but I mean I I try to stay more on top of it. Um, if they have a building permit, make sure that uh, you know, in our building permit, it says if they didn't start the work within, I think 90 days or something like that, it's void. So, boom, you're back being a vacant building. >> Yeah. >> And I'm not going to let you continue to just submit a building permit every couple of months. >> Circumvent. Yeah. >> Right. And that building permit is going to have to make it so that that building uh will be occupiable when they're done with it. So, they can't just take a um building that needs hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of work. They're going to pay a few thousand dollars to get a building permit. If they're going to let that expire in 90 days, then they're going to have to resubmit >> and pay another few thousand. And if that's what they want to do just to avoid being on, they're they're paying more money that way. >> Well, well, more initially, but then the
66. 1:09:31vacancy money goes up every so many years. It goes up, I think, >> right? I'm saying if it's if they have to submit a for a building permit application every couple of months and they're paying a couple thousand dollar every couple of months, they should have just filed to be on the vacant building registry and pay that 1,000 2,000 3,000 4,000 5,000, >> right? >> Um, also there's there's verbiage in here that they're not complying with any of this stuff. Um, they can be fined up to $1,000 per day for >> Yeah. Well, >> something to uh >> and it's meant to incentivize people to get, you know, do the property, get it back on, you know, a rental or, you know, or sale, right? I mean, the goal. Yeah. Right. Right. >> Um, so we'll see where this goes. >> Awesome. Thank you. Great job. >> Anything else? >> Uh, I don't have anything else. >> Okay. Any questions for code from the council members? Anyone online?
67. 1:10:36>> Awesome. >> Any questions in the room? >> Well, um ju so Nick, thank you very much. Um, I will give you we'll have a we'll try to have a similar breakdown so you can inform the the city and have a platform so nobody has these questions and don't flood your emails or bring it and make our council meetings shorter at the informal. Um, Nick, if you could like just for your report maybe complaints like and how you know they're being handled and time frames like kind of like thinking about HPD how they do the tickets and things like that. Uh, and what type of complaints are are are you looking at right in terms of we don't have to know the buildings but what type of complaints should people reporting? um >> cutting grass cutings, you know, whatever whatever the >> I mean, right now, yeah, that's mostly our reports is uh overgrown vegetation. Um we usually send out an otr in order
68. 1:11:39to remedy on that. Um and those usually comply, but >> um if not, we have to follow up after certain amount of days and we continue to do that until we see no other way but to give them a ticket to get them to comply. because I'm trying I mean um I'm having conversation with Margaret about amending the sidewalk law uh for emergencies because right now how it looks right now is there's really nothing you can do because that other laws in effect but there's so many properties now that really need emergency before before they even come to get you know uh fixed via I think that since they can be uh credited I think it's very important that we address the emergency sidewalks that are really dangerous. And I think that we amend that law so you can go and implement that process. Uh so we can get them fixed in a in a in a more timely
69. 1:12:41manner because we're talking about 3, five years before anything happens with sidewalk, right? So you they're bad now. They're only going to get worse. They're not going to get better unless we intervene with emergency uh you know repairs. Okay. So, >> after you're done driving around the city looking for vacant buildings, I'll walk around on some sidewalks for us. >> Great. >> Thank you very much. >> Um, so with that, I entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> Just a quick thing. >> For the sidewalk law, now I'm confused. You would have to change it because I think the city assume responsibility with the advent of the sidewalk improvement district. Mhm. >> So you would amend it? >> Well, you would have to change >> amend it >> old law. Would you would change the whole purpose? >> No. >> Okay. I'm done. >> Thanks, sir. Motion to not enter it. Motion second. All in favor? I uh weed.

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