Common Council Safety Committee transcript: FUTURE HUDSON

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1:22the common council's committee meeting of safety. It is uh 5:32ish. Um we only have the two of us in attendance. Uh Claire
1:35walking in right now.
1:36Excellent. Dwan will not be here tonight. He is for reasons of out of Hudson
1:44and good evening.
1:46Hi brother.
1:47We just started. So it's Claire, myself and Dominic and we will start with I don't have any agendas printed out but it's pretty straightforward. We're going to start with fire with the monthly report. Uh so for last month we had 44 calls this month. Three of those were fires. One was a dumpster, one bombing, the other was a cooking fire. One hazardous conditions. Two of those were gas leaks or gas orders, carbon monoxide incident. We had one bomb thread and six of those were power lines, something affected
2:28with power lines or transformer blown electrical hazard. Sorry. Seven of those uh one motor vehicle accident, 18 non-emergency calls. 12 of those were false alarms from a malfunction. and then 10 public service which range from you know accidental alarm activation from lift assist and one weather related incident and an elevator rescue at the end of the month or so a busy month. Eight out of those 44 of those were the day of the storm all once we they all got hammered all the matter of a minute they called us for the first one they called us right back in nine alarm eight alarms
3:11a loud night from you guys. Yeah, it was pretty good. You know, we used to get him all a lot, you know, so for the younger guys, it was a little different, but uh yeah, I mean, we kept it, I think everything was back up and running in the city except, you know, as far as power by 9:00 in some major stuff over on Union, but that was it.
3:29So, um the new truck is they're going out final inspection Friday. This Friday, they went out final inspection. So by next month, you know, when we come in here next month, we should have a truck.
3:44Okay. Mid June, I'm sorry, mid July, we supposed to deliver. It's got to go back to it's got to come to hire an actual dealer to come down here, get tools mounted, some small stuff done to it before it comes here and we train on it and put it in service, which won't take long at all. Uh we did run our first echo cardiac arrest. Uh what was that?
4:05We got our 9th version. Thursday night.
4:07So, we ran our first one. It was a reversal, believe it or not. You know, seeing everybody involved there. It was a reversal. So, it was a good start to our new new doing our new stuff that we're doing with the medical for the geckos. So, it was a good way to see work out some of the kinks and stuff like that. So, worked out with HPD, the SWAT, and us there. Actually worked out perfectly. We probably would have got pulled anyways if it was the old style and we weren't there cuz it was on the third floor and we definitely needed some assistance. So, you know, other
4:36than that, we're off to a pretty pretty busy start this month, too. So,
4:41yeah.
4:42Well, hopefully we don't have too much weather the rest of the month.
4:45Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's Yeah, this whole time, right?
4:49Uh well, thank you. Um any new stuff or I don't have any questions. Any Mont Dominic, Claire, anything?
4:57Did it did anyone use the cooling center? Do you know when
5:02I mean we had it open for 3 days. We had it was we had it open for 3 days. I don't believe there was really anybody a person or two maybe walked in here in between but I didn't notice anybody in there. I don't think anybody else really noticed anybody in there. I think I've sold one bottle bottle of water.
5:17I seen a woman go in grab a bottle of water.
5:19Yes. All right. So they haven't. So I mean every year they do it. I've been told in the past too that nobody you know
5:27Well the power loss we would have
5:29Yeah. You know it's different like Yeah. It might that storm happened maybe you know when it was really bad like that would have been different story you know
5:36but as far as just like on a regular basis on extreme hot weather day
5:41Mhm.
5:41you're not you're not seeing the traffic or anybody in there so
5:45Oh good to have it.
5:46Yeah.
5:48Well thank you. Anything else for fire? Okay. I don't have anything.
5:54Wonderful. Have a great evening.
5:56Man I'm not going to be that.
5:59That's good. See you guys later. Have a good night. Thank you.
6:03I don't think I'm going to be that fast.
6:06No Captain Miller tonight.
6:07No Captain Miller. Captain Miller is away on vacation this week. So
6:11you guys are allowed to do that.
6:12Yeah, you know, once in a while. That's okay.
6:15I thought we could only do that every two years. Uh okay. Well, thank you for coming.
6:23Oh, yeah.
6:23Then we'll start with the monthly Oh, sorry. Yes, monthly reporting.
6:27Okay. Uh first, the body warn cameras. There were there was nothing to indicate any training needs or any discipline. However, there is an open IIA because we received last week a citizen complaint from the AG's office. Um so regarding obviously I can't speak about that but regarding the incident body cam will be reviewed again for that particular particular incident. Um so for that the monthly report uh the number of defensive action reports were two. Um one was we had an active arrest warrant for a subject and then he fled. He was apprehended and taser was displayed and pointed but not deployed. Um the other one we responded to a mental health incident involving a subject who
7:13expressed a desire to harm herself and refused to voluntarily go to the hospital. So officers had to take her into custody so that she could be brought to the hospital. Uh we have 26 arrests and 32 charges for the month. And then nine emotionally disturbed person calls, zero administered narcan or sub suspected drug overdoses. Would you like me to go through the quarterly report? Yes. The emotionally disturbed person's report. Do those automatically include children or would you specify?
7:54Uh, we wouldn't specify. It would be it would be both. However, if you're referring to stuff at the school, we probably wouldn't I wouldn't report that on my monthly. That would just be um yeah, that we wouldn't include necessarily the school unless we had to do something extra. Usually the SRO does handle those. get a call for a young person whether at school or in the community. Um
8:22what's the next step?
8:25I mean we would we would do the same reporting. Um parents would be involved and then they would go to the hospital the same
8:33the hospital is the next step though.
8:35Yeah. you know, of course, we will still try if we're able to reach out to um I can't mobile crisis.
8:46Okay.
8:47Um as well, uh but we know they work usually Monday through Friday. They're not available. Um the referral would be to the hospital like from school or outside of that as well. Part of my reason for asking is because I know that uh Aster is in the area now and they are like homebased crisis intervention. So I was wondering if they've made it to a secondary step if mobile crisis isn't available cuz they're like the set to avoid the hospital.
9:16You can make a referral there. But I know you guys are in the crisis response or probably the hospital first. But I didn't know if they were put on the police department's radar as a resource yet. No, I mean I this is the first I've heard about it. I mean and I'm certainly and I think everyone is certainly happy and willing to have some kind of diversion as opposed to just straight to the hospital. Okay.
9:39Um we know that the hospital is good at what they do. It's not always the best place for folks in crisis and who may need other interventions. So if you don't have one, I think we are ask to come to our safety committee meeting and comm resource is always better.
9:59And probably Dan want to speak.
10:04I don't know who that is.
10:06County um director of
10:11even better.
10:13I think also with the school it depends if the child has an IEP. It might be in his plan to go to the hospital. So it's all all depending the person's
10:20how is that more community than school.
10:25Thank you.
10:30So for the so for the quarterly vehicle and traffic reports um 216 tickets were issued for quarter 2. Um and then if you break it down 320 traffic stops or incidents were completed. Um, so that's a 65 67 12% issuance rate um for traffic and that includes 16 uh speeding tickets for for that time period as well. Uh, and I do kind of disappointed Mr. Krueger isn't here today because I had some data to share. Um, and I can go through that data or I can send it to the committee
11:14and send it to the council and then ask Lyric to post it as well. And I I can send a copy to Mr. Krueger.
11:20Yeah, sure.
11:21Thank you.
11:22Sure. I didn't print out copies for everybody. Um,
11:25but it was you can post it and we'll read it there.
11:27It's some data obviously about the speeds from Warren Street eastbound as and westbound for a period of approximately two weeks each. Um, I think for westbound there was a little bit of discrepancy and the sign might have been down due to weather or something because there were significant uh number of vehicles less than that were eastbound, but we know that that's probably not true. Um, so we think there might have been some technical issues that created the discrepancy. Um but I think what's important so eastbound on war between June 3rd and
12:07June 17th um it recorded 49,293 vehicles. Yes, it's a lot. It's a lot. Um
12:18weeks.
12:20The average speed was 17 miles an hour of those vehicles. the highest speed, which we think might be an error, uh, because cameras were checked and couldn't find any listed at that time at 81 miles per hour. Um, but again, we checked the cameras and couldn't find anything. So, we're not sure where that came from. Um, and then yeah, the highest the busiest hours were between 10:00 a.m. and 400 pm.
12:53This is the 8 800 block.
12:56Yes. Uh, and then the number above the posted speed limit of 25 miles an hour is 6,50075. I didn't break that down in percentages as of yet. Um, which I will do when I send my reports out to the council.
13:14Thank you. Seems like it would really be really difficult to get out to that speed in that area.
13:20There are some bikes to rip down that street lane.
13:25Yes.
13:25I only know because
13:27seems like it would be hard to do safely.
13:28Oh, it is hard to do safely.
13:30Yes. And then westbound uh starting from June 19th to June 30th, 22,400 vehicles, which I think again I think is an error. Um but it collected the data it collected. Um the average speed was 19 m hour with the highest speed recorded at 49 miles an hour and then above the posted speed limit was 4939. And this information that I have right now doesn't doesn't exactly give me the range of what over that is. So what is included? It doesn't
14:09and I can break it down and look at the data more closely to see how far over the speed limit that was.
14:14Um but initially looking at it without it being on here it was between like 26 and 35 mile. Um, not too many in excess of that number,
14:26but I will have more reports and send them to the council.
14:29Thank you.
14:29To post.
14:31It's felt like that.
14:33Hi, this is this is Margaret. May I ask a question?
14:36Sure, Margaret.
14:38So, uh, Chief, you had in the data that you just reported where you had the outlier at 81 miles an hour. Mm-m.
14:47Do you happen to have available what the next speed was, ignoring that outlier?
14:55Not not currently. Not in front of me. No.
14:58Okay. Okay. Thanks.
15:02If you want, can you send that to me in an email so that I can have that? Um,
15:06sure.
15:08Yeah, I'll I'll follow up with an email. and the reports that you have in front of you that that raw data will you be able to share that with the council?
15:18Yes, I'm going to I'm going to add more uh information, more data to this, send it to the council and also provide it to to lyrics so she can post.
15:27Okay, good. Thank you very much.
15:29You're welcome.
15:35What else did I have? Um, is that it for quarterly?
15:40That is it for quarterly.
15:43I have
15:44unless you wanted to know where the speeding tickets were issued.
15:48Yeah, I'd love to know where
15:49I also have that.
15:50Yeah, great. That's an important one. So the general locations were South Third Street, Green Street, Harry Howard A, and Worth Avenue with the majority being issued at South Third Street and Harry Howard Avenue.
16:10Okay, thank Is there a time on those?
16:12Uh, I don't have the times in front of me, but I think they're they're on the report, though. And if they're not on the report, I can get them to you. And so this the south the south third uh speeding is almost certainly before you reach Union and Allen. Is that correct?
16:33I mean it's it's possible but I think I think everyone was even in excess of 30 miles an hour anyway. And and when you when you're reporting speeding, um is it anything over the speed limit or is there a buffer?
16:53Uh so
16:54so like when you when you enter the 20 mile 25 mile zone, is 26 recorded as speeding or does it have to be something higher than that? Well, I mean, an officer can pull over someone who is doing 26 miles an hour, but I imagine uh the discretion is probably going to be 30 miles or
17:1730 miles an hour or more.
17:19Okay, got it. Thank you. Uh I did I did want to bring up to later on I would would like to bring up another issue but once this is over.
17:34Okay, we'll give you the time when this is over. Does this data take into account any time that the state troopers are doing their evening runs or
17:44No.
17:45Okay.
17:46It's just HPD.
17:47Gotcha. Uh, any questions on the boarding report?
17:53Uh, Margaret, is now a time or would you like to wait for new business or something like that?
17:59No, I No, I can just bring it up now. It's something that we talk it's something that we talked about in the last administration and um is something that I think we need to
18:10address probably in legal committee. I know that there has been some activity around trying to do educational materials. This relates to ebikes and e- scooters.
18:24Um I don't know what the current status is in terms of getting education out there. We we were going to take kind of a threerong approach. We were going to have an educational piece, try to reach out to the schools. I think that was being done through a different committee. But I think also this committee should take up the idea of ordinances relating to ebike and uh ecooter safety uh age ranges, helmets, and so forth.
18:55Well, Margaret, I'm glad you said that because that was one of the things I was going to bring up under new business was I was ask the perfect segue. Um, I was going to ask that we start pulling over everyone without a helmet on and stopping them.
19:14Yeah,
19:15we have bicycles and we have cars and there's really nowhere to run in Hudson. It's a square mile. And not to say we should be ticketing all the youth that are ebiking and on bicycles without helmets, but it's only a matter of time before unfortunately uh statistically someone is going to crash their bike. Someone is going to get hit by one of our visitors in town and it's going to be a lot worse without a helmet on. Um, there was a Margaret the this going back
19:45to the article you sent me in the last week of May, May 28th, there was an ebike and a bicyclist colliding on I think it was the not the Brooklyn Bridge, but maybe it was the Was it the Brooklyn Bridge?
20:05Um, I I think so. It was a Yes, it was. It might have been a runner and a and a biker. It was a No, it was a bicyclist in a non electric bicycle and they were hit by a electric scooter.
20:20Correct. That's correct.
20:21Has the ability to go 50 miles an hour and it was a head-on collision between the two of them and they both died.
20:27Yeah, that's correct.
20:28And it was no car involved. Both of them had the helmets on, but it's there's a lot of It wasn't here obviously, but it's they're dangerous and they're super fun and and I mean, if you've been on one, they're exhilarating. It's really fun. It's it's a great time, but they're super dangerous. And if there's some way I know we have a a helmet law in Hudson,
20:53but I don't think the language extends beyond wearing a helmet on a bicycle. Um, and yes, Margaret, we should be looking at creating some sort of language that at least protects us and the community in some framework, but um, is that something that you could just say we're we're going to start pulling people over? They're always kids. So, we did so two of our sergeants last month did go to an ebike training and we have not and because June has been so busy have not had the opportunity to have a meeting as far as what are now um current New York State
21:30laws and best practices for ebikes. We do know that um that children under the age of 16 are not supposed to be on them. Um is it scooters too or does it ebikes?
21:44Uh it may be both. electricized or electric
21:48that is not pedal assisted
21:50right
21:51is the language that
21:53so I think what we discussed at work is trying to obviously what Margaret said is educate people um because we also know that there is um there are families and kids who use that as their primarily mode of transportation because they don't have cars or they don't have any other way to get ground. So, we also don't want to impact those who really use that to get to work every day um or penalize those who are using it for the for that purpose. Um as far as when we
22:28get citizen complaints and complaints from the public for the noise or, you know, um erratic behavior on the roadway, it's trying to make contact with families and saying, "Hey, we we can't do this. it's not it's not safe. um and with the potential to maybe take those scooters away from the kids and have a parent turn them over to um we know that's not that always ideal um because we don't want to also create a confrontation with with kids and we want to continue to build a rapport and a good relationship with the communities but we also want to make sure that nobody is injured and everyone is safe and hopefully if we can get out there and speak to families and parents um and
23:19caregivers of like, hey, we need we need to just be smarter about this because we don't want somebody to get hit. And it may not be the people on the scooters. It could be the cars, right? Not paying attention or whatever. Um so we can educate those on scooters and bikes, ebikes, motorized um you know, motorcycles, all we want, but it may not
23:40it may not prevent everything from happening. But we want to do as much as we can. Well, does the child with the ticket or the parent get the ticket if the ticket is issued?
23:49The parent
23:50I have a question suggestion not a solution. Um
23:56was already brainstorming what it would look like to have like a community and youthled information infographic like biker safety scooter safety thinking about crown scooters and you know bringing everybody to the table. had done that because I'm not sure what makes the most sense, but if you have received training, do you think that like a community town hall on best practices and just like opening the conversation for dialogue and figuring out where to go from there about like what we as the city can request or you
24:32know like put something in the atmosphere before the like we haven't said anything yet publicly about like this is not allowed, this is not. So to be fair to the new
24:44I mean it can't hurt
24:45emergence of e scooters and e vehicles we if we offer an info session and then put something out there
24:54first
24:55there is a point where we are
24:58this Thursday as well at Oakdale.
25:00Yeah.
25:01Okay. Um is is helping
25:04no right it's at Oakdale um and parent uh is is kind of helped organizing it along with Birkshshire bike and board um
25:15um that that
25:16so we can also try to get as much information that day as well. Um and I'm hoping I can reach out to Victor from Bergkshire Biking Board to see if he has other information. Um because what we've also found in the past is that where people are purchasing these ebikes from, they should be providing the correct information whether you need to get it registered and all that and they're not. Well, we are also allowing a in this in this wonderful code book, an illegal business to operate the scooter rental without proper insurance,
25:54signage, or information about safety, two people under 16.
26:02That that that actually was something I really wanted to bring up. Uh Henry,
26:07well, I got two pages of of questions about it, but we've yet to hear back from the mayor, and we've yet to hear back from Crown Scooters, and I still don't feel, even though it's been 60 days since they were asked, um, and they still aren't here. I still don't feel it's fair for me to go through everything without them in person to speak to their business and defend themselves or just give us some back and forth. Um, but there is a business operating in town that does not conform to our code. And I know
26:46that we might not agree on it. Um, but it is the ordinance that Joe signed. Um, and I'm not saying we don't agree because I think that we can kick them off the street for a number of the violations, specifically signage and insurance. And there's no regulation stopping anyone with an iPhone from renting these scooters. And that just makes it more dangerous. And yeah, we're putting some on the parents, but then again, we're also putting on HPD, which is not super fair to your burden of
27:22responsibilities. um without anything in the code book this that codifies our end of safety and protects the city and its taxpayers. I think that this business right now is not operating at the best time um specifically with helmets and times of use. And anyhow, that's my feeling on the scooter business.
27:49Um you mentioned that they don't have insurance. it's not displayed and their insurance says um at least this is coming from the very minimal information that Joe has responded with and then he got a little nasty. So why bother having the conversation after that is that they are they said that once somebody uses their app they are no longer legally responsible for the actions of that person renting their product
28:25which I guess you know that kind of makes sense but I am not a counsel um I'm not a lawyer so I don't know how to go about And have you reviewed the terms and conditions inside the app?
28:40No, because I'm not going to rent their product.
28:42I know, but we're talking about it.
28:46Yeah, we're going to feel like
28:47we're going to um speak on their terms and conditions. We should at least be familiar with them.
28:54Agreed. So, I don't really want to go forward without I'm just without anyone coming forward. What is our due course if nobody wants to show up for the conversation? I think I think I think Henry one of the issues with regard to that is that uh they are operating under a permit rather than a contract and so they are operating under a permit as a vendor um and they are not technically a vendor. So unlike unlike unlike
29:28approved
29:29unlike uh Hudson paddles and so forth where there's an actual contract Um, but that's that that's kind of I think part of the problem that you're facing in trying to get information. But I'd like to kind of reel this back a little bit and say uh to Chief Franklin um since we know that this entity is operating in the city. Um and legal can can look at uh what the current ordinances are. There's nothing relating to e scooters to my knowledge, but we can work on that.
30:02um are they a are they uh renting scooters to people under the age of 16 and b and I think cla this is something that you brought up to me that this is potentially an opportunity to engage with uh that company and talk to them about you know having them give handout safety information handout educational information so that you know that's a point of contact where individuals are renting ecooters and they are informed of what they should be doing from a safety perspective. So Claire and and
30:41Chief like I don't know what you think about whether we could see this as an opportunity for contact.
30:50I mean it could it could I think my question is what um what would the city be looking for for a contract with her? Is that just to uh be free from liability if something were to happen with someone renting the scooter or is there
31:07Okay, I can answer like that.
31:11I can answer that. Um when this first arose um I took the position that this should be a contract uh similar to contracts that we have with uh and the closest analog we have is the Hudson paddles and uh the mayor's office took the position that this could be a vendor arrangement and they were given a vendor permit. So right now um they do not have a contract and the mayor has issued them a permit to do their operation. So it's not really within the hands of the
31:51common council right now. But what I'm trying to get at is, you know, I prefer a contract uh in part because it protects the city uh but also when you have a contract you can put in terms of what they actually have to do. Uh a permit is a different setup. Um but what I I guess I'm saying is okay, this is how they're operating. This is how the city has decided to approach this. Um can we at least connect with this company so that we're
32:27making sure that we have this point of contact where people are renting e scooters. Can we get information to them relating to safety at that point of contact? That that's where I'm going with this.
32:42Uh to piggyback on that, Margaret, my focus is yes, if if they're following the code, similar to a vendor permit. Second to that, it would be how are we being indemnified from a potential lawsuit? And that's my biggest bugaboo right now. Well, wouldn't entering a contract with them put us more at liability attaching us to this business that we're concerned about?
33:07No, actually, Nick, actually, sorry. Sorry. Having entering into a contract protects us because in a contract you specifically identify um the liability that this is not a city sanctioned uh thing that the the entity that has the contract you can specify exactly what they are responsible for and you can specify in the contract that the city is held harmless. So the part of what I am concerned about here is that we have a vendor relationship and uh an individual is renting something from a vendor on the street and it's a
33:51Hudson Street and it's a public street and to what extent could they reasonably assume that this is a city sanctioned uh operation? when you have a contract, things are much clearer. And so that was why I would have preferred to see a contract.
34:10Also, when you have a contract, we had contracts in the past that put stipulations like for example, if if if a person violates a rule, they're not they can't rent the to the ebike again, right? Say if it has a ticket or whatever, then they're they can't rent it again. So there's stipulations of rules that if they do A, B, and C, then that individual can't use it no more. So it puts more ownership on the vendor to pay more attention to what's going on. They don't want to lose business, but they also want to make sure that people are abiding by the rules. Uh Chief, real
34:46quick, I'm thinking on the educational side for the ebikes, maybe night out if we focus.
34:54I was going to bring up national night out. There are some other things, but we kind of got
34:57we got talking about this thing. But um since we're having this discussion, I certainly can get behind obviously the educational piece and trying to get the community together to for safety measures. Uh I'm having a tough time uh getting behind having uh a local business person who's uh you know trying to do her best for this business to enter into a contract which seems a little punitive in measure. Um and I think a goal as a community should be to um reduce barriers to entry to things
35:36like this. And it seems like we're going the opposite way. Um, but again, I am 100% for the safety piece. Um, it just seems like we're getting we're getting past that. Um, where they just
35:48Well, we kind of got it thrown past us
35:51um without any discussion at all. And I'm not trying to blame the business. Um, that was on the mayor for not consulting with anyone else in the city. um and just allowing signing a piece of paper and allowing this business to be on the streets when it does not codify to our public spaces and rather our laws. Um it's in a public space where it's being used. We're here for the public space and yeah to to go back to your point, safety paramount. Mhm.
36:26And I think I think I have not spoken to the business owner about this, but I think that uh myself or Claire or somebody or Nick, we could reach out to her and say, "Hey, like this is what we really want out of this and can we can we come to an agreement?" Um because again, I don't I don't know how she's feeling or if she's feeling like slighted in any way. Um but if she is aware of any of the discussions, she could, right? And so we need to have that discussion. Like you said, it is unfair to kind of have these discussions without her here to represent herself.
36:57I think she's veryoriented. I think she'd be very willing to be part of the
37:02Yeah, I think she'd be willing. I think the next step is like the enforcement, right? It's like this is all new territory. So, it's like even if it's
37:11codified, what is what's the onus on her for enforcement? If somebody does get a ticket and now they can't use the bikes anymore, what does she have to do on the app end of things to make sure that person can't rent anymore? Is that something that she's aware of? Is that something that exists in that platform? Like I think we have to also have a willingness to support her through those things.
37:31Absolutely. But what she cla one of Claire, one of the things that you brought up to me, I guess a couple of months ago, I I just think this is like we have this point of contact, point of sale, if you will, where an individual is renting either an ebike or an e- scooter, in this case, an e- scooter. That is the point of contact where you can actually provide people with educational materials. And I think our focus, you know, whether it's I, you know, I hear what you're saying, chief.
38:03Uh I don't see contracts as being a barrier. Uh they're just a different structure to a permit. Um and this is not a vendor. It's a service. So to me, it fits with the Hudson Paddles. I don't, you know, it's it's a different type of entity, but you know, it is what it is right now. how it's a vendor relationship, but I think that we're missing an opportunity here for this point of contact when an individual is renting a scooter and they could be provided with useful information relating to safely operating that
38:38scooter. And I I and this was something Clare had brought up to me and I think it's something that if we could try to work on that connection uh perhaps providing materials that they can hand out to people at the time that they are renting. I think that that would be a good thing.
38:59I think if it's app based you know I think there's got to be a method to put that information where it's a check off right you read the information you check and move forward. I would say that there is
39:09in the past when I rented them there definitely is. There's a whole section
39:14and we don't I don't know if it's not in place. I'm just saying that's why I think a conversation
39:19I'll set I'll uh I'll reach out to her and set up a meeting.
39:23Thanks. And
39:25just to clarify, there's nothing in our code at all about scooters. Um the only thing with bicycles says
39:32that is correct.
39:34Yes.
39:34I don't think it's appropriate. And then and Henry, that is something that is something that that is something that the legal committee needs to take up to put it something into our code relating to scooters.
39:47Um thank you Margaret. Uh on the this particular issue, does anyone in the room have a question or not? Miss Posley. Yes.
39:57Yes. Hi. Um so in the vein of um the same vein of bike safety and and you know the things that that always happen um by HPD and and um you know other municipalities as well um if there's going to be an information gathering like CL that you're speaking about and and Chief Franklin is going to be involved in um I would like to be part of that committee. I think there's an opportunity for Unculation United to assist in funding of certain helmets depending on the age appropriateness and
40:32what really is involved and we can come up with a you know with a small budget to kick this off so that we are working with safety as well as supporting a community member who's trying to get started and learn the roads that all of us are are are saying. So, you know, when it happens, that would be, you know, that would be ideal when it happens. The National Night Out, whenever it happens, I'll be at the table.
41:03You two can stay in touch, I assume.
41:06Awesome.
41:06Yes.
41:07Well, that is progress.
41:10That's good. We had the conversation.
41:12Yeah. Uh Logan, you have some questions online.
41:16Yeah, I have Ronald and Bill.
41:19Let's go with Ronald. Oh, hi. Are you there? Can you hear me?
41:27We're here.
41:28Okay, fine. And you can hear me? All right.
41:30Yes, we can.
41:32Matt McGee also would like to say something on this question. I just wanted to point out that there's another section of the code uh chapter 17 whose title refers to peddling and soliciting. It also includes a statement about vendors and there uh this also covers someone who is merchandising a service. So I wonder if the rental of the scooters could be construed as as that exactly and a service and come under that section of the code.
42:09I don't see why not.
42:10Yeah. Yeah. Well, well, because I'm circumventing that and it's not their fault, but the mayor
42:17strictly speaking that they're not vending anything.
42:21They're renting something. So, I just wanted to call that to your attention. And now Matt has something he would like to say. Yes. In New York City, uh there was a problem with bikes and it was revealed on the news that bikes were subject to the same laws as vehicles.
42:47Yes.
42:48And they were not allowed to ride on the sidewalk. And they were not allowed to ride in a different direction on a one-way street. uh and other things like that. And this I'm sure this law also applies to motorbikes and motor scooters. So I don't know, you know, the safety issues, some of them that you're discussing are about this sort of thing and there are state laws already covering this and people should have to abide by them. Thank you. Um just to echo your well to one answer
43:36there no wheels are allowed on the sidewalks unless it's pushed or pulled by a person
43:44or I think under 14.
43:46I thought there's an age
43:47there. There is a kids I think it might be 14.
43:50Was it 14?
43:52I'm going to reread that chapter.
43:54I may be wrong but I know there is a
43:58make sense. You're not going to put a kid in the street.
44:01Um, uh, I see we have one more online, but I'm sorry, Bill. I am still not going to take questions from you until you apologize from the language you used over the last 60 days towards our council members. So, thank you for attending online, but I'm not going to listen to your questions. U, moving on. Uh, we're done with scoots. That's great. Um, how did the weekend go with fireworks? Did you recommend
44:30that? That is on my list of things to talk about. I have a
44:33back then.
44:34Uh first, thank you obviously for the council. I know the whole council isn't here. Um but for supporting the Hudson boys basketball and having them in the flag day parade,
44:46acquiring acquiring a float and uh trailer for them in a boat.
44:52We got them. We got them floated.
44:53Yeah. Um, we did, mayor's office and myself did receive a complaint about flag day communication and safety with street closures. Um, I had a very long conversation with this citizen about maybe how to improve that for next year. Um, so I just kind of wanted the committee to be aware of that. Uh, because they were very unhappy with the street closures and the length of the parade. Um, we had a very good conversation just being that it was the 250th anniversary. It's not normally that long. The roads
45:31were closed off for Flag Day. The roads were closed off for
45:34a significant amount of time longer than they have been in the past. And hopefully next year, uh, if there is a parade next year, it won't be that long. Um, we only towed seven cars. I think it was for Flag Day, which is very low. So, it's impressive. Um, and then Pride, we towed none.
45:57Towed none.
45:58Towed zero vehicles for Pride. And I don't think I had any complaints about traffic or anything. I I personally didn't get any complaints about that. Great. Moving on to fireworks. Um, I did not receive any complaints of fireworks this weekend personally. Um, we did receive about 12 calls about the fireworks. Um, and I know similar to last year, uh, it was pretty concentrated to Front Street between like State and Colombia. Um, and in discussions with officers today, um, I think the city can use this maybe as an opportunity also for next year,
46:46um, to maybe get a community committee together of folks who are involved in setting off fireworks and maybe trying to have it somewhat controlled and out there for the community because I know we as a city don't do anything for Fourth of July. So residents take it upon themselves to do that to celebrate. Um and maybe we can bring each other together instead of
47:12create a space for them,
47:14right? Um and maybe have the fire department there to prevent anything and just for safety measures so we can say, "Yep,
47:21this is where we're going to be. You can do it. We'll be here." Talk to some talk to them about having a mass gathering permit to do it just so everyone is aware. maybe give a time frame and and maybe mitigate any complaints or any safety issues for for next year.
47:40I like that idea. Isn't count Isn't it legal in Columbia County to have and possess any
47:46It is, but I think the city could make an exception or an executive order allowing it just as they with the open container law for a day for October Fest. Um, Dr. or or or a mass gathering. I I if I may just comment, Henry, um I just want to last year we did have a lot of uh unauthorized fireworks and at our Jul I believe our July or August meeting. Um the fire chief talked to us about it and we talked about getting a message out ahead of time this year. Uh,
48:23and I want to just thank the fire department and the police department for putting a posting something out there ahead of time to say, you know, this is a safety issue and I thank you for that. And I do think Chief's idea of having potentially a mass gathering or something else uh so that people can come together and do a fireworks display if that's what they want to do. I think that would be a really good way to go.
48:50But thank you very much. Thanks very much for following up on the discussion we had last year and actually putting a message out there.
49:01It seemed like we had less than we did last year. Last year it was like
49:06it was it was and maybe maybe the messaging maybe the me weather who knows
49:12or maybe just everyone's like hey let's get together and just keep it in this kind of general one area and then work together and clean it up because I think everyone was pretty good about cleaning up after themselves as well.
49:23Yeah.
49:23Um
49:23it looked really cool along I mean the terraces did a great display just
49:30I heard I'm sad I missed it actually. I saw it from the water. It looked really good. Dish illegal, but I you did a great job. Um can we have we suspend Oklahoma container on October 5th?
49:49Yes.
49:50City on city property, right?
49:53Yes. Cuz so they block off that section of state up there. It's blocked off and so
49:59Oh. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah. So, not not throughout the whole city, just in that in that one area.
50:04Well, sometimes it just feels like it. I'll drink like three days a year and that's one of them.
50:08Yes.
50:10Like five.
50:11Um All right. Thank you. Um back to you.
50:14Continuing.
50:15Um I know Dominic had requested our sign go down by Oakdale for the opening of camp. I know they were closed today. Um things just got ahead of us last week. So, we will have our traffic sign uh at the entrance to Oakdale tomorrow um for the duration of camp. Uh
50:35thank you.
50:36Welcome. Um I am going to I'm going to request the safety committee to support a resolution for National Night Out. We've done that the past couple of years to just um indicate August 4th as National Night Out u for the city of Hudson. Thank you to Elena as well, Miss Mosley for Operation Unite. She is one of the sponsors for National Night Out this year along with uh the sheriff uh from the sheriff's department. Um
51:04does everybody know what that is?
51:05I was going to ask you to explain what that is.
51:07Yeah, so it's it's a national campaign to improve community and police partnerships and it's a free event for everyone in the community. We have folks coming in to table um and any organization can participate and provide services or anything for the community and kids.
51:24Where do you hold that?
51:25Waterfront.
51:26It's at the waterfront. Oh, that's what that is. Okay.
51:29Yes.
51:30Every day.
51:31And this year, uh it's pretty cool. CSX partners with uh first responders children foundation and they are they sponsored a national night out program for this year. I was able to apply put an application in um with that organization as soon as the application came out and they will be providing between 500 and 600 children or toys for children for specifically for National Night Out. Um that organization delivers toys to children um throughout the holidays as well. Um so it's pretty cool and it's free of charge. Um and they
52:12they'll deliver those at some point between now and August 4th to the police department.
52:17And of course you're going to be in the dunking booth.
52:19What's that? I don't know if I'm going to be in the dunking booth, but maybe maybe I will this year. I did do it uh two years ago, so maybe I will.
52:28Is that the line?
52:30It is a Tuesday. It's a Tuesday night.
52:31It is a Tuesday night.
52:32Saturday is the 1st. Okay. Tuesday night. Oh, great.
52:38Great.
52:38Uh,
52:39okay.
52:40I did want to mention, I don't know if anybody saw or knew the commotion. Um, on Junth at the hospital, there was HPD sheriff's office, state police there. the ER received a anonymous complaint or threat um for a bomb saying that there were tons of bombs in the hospital and they were bringing more. Uh so that started a whole like widespread kind of search. Everything was clear. Um and the phone number the phone call can't be traced. It's somewhere outside. that it's a computerenerated call and it seems like
53:20whoever is behind this does it randomly to a bunch of different places. Um so fortunately it was nothing there was no actual threat. It was not credible.
53:32Is there did they target hospitals or just
53:35anywhere
53:36any anywhere else? uh to that scale. It has happened before, but
53:46it's probably the same entity that does the schools around here when they
53:49It could be send that kind of [ __ ]
53:51They just do it everywhere around the world.
53:54They're really starting to take those extended warranties serious.
53:58Yes. Um, and then I don't know uh to Claire's email if you wanted to talk about any of that right now or the either the LE tech grant stuff
54:12uh or the SRO
54:15stuff.
54:18Yeah, if you have
54:18Yeah, I have a I actually have a letter from Mr. Rearen that he actually sent me today, an email that I I have for the committee.
54:26Awesome. Thank you. is the high school.
54:35What's that? Yes. Yes.
54:39He was supposed to get it to me last week, but he's on vacation, but he was
54:43so willing to send this to me today. Um, essentially commending officer for the work that he does at the school and to have him as a partner within the school. Um there is a lot that he does within the schools that we um that I wouldn't know of unless I spoke to staff um because he's involved in a in a lot of other things. Um and I can read this aloud if you prefer
55:21a staring in silence, right?
55:23Okay. Uh, and this is from Derek Rearden, the principal of Hudson Hyde. To whom it may concern, I'm pleased to write this letter in support of Officer Ralph and to recommend him without reservation. As our school resource officer, Officer Ralph has consistently demonstrated exceptional professionalism, dedication, and commitment to the safety, and well-being of our students, staff, and school community. Officer Ralph has done an excellent job of serving our district. He has developed a very positive rapport with our students and staff, earning their trust and respect through his approachable demeanor, integrity, and willingness to assist whenever needed.
55:56He's a valued member of our school community and plays an important role in fostering a safe and welcoming learning environment. In addition to his daily responsibilities, Officer Rouse serves on the district's safety team where he contributes to the planning and implementation of district-wide safety initiatives. He also serves as the liaison between the school district and the police department, ensuring strong communication, collaboration on matters related to school safety and emergency preparedness. Officer Ralph is responsible for providing traffic control at all district school buildings with the majority of his traffic duties taking place at our elementary school.
56:29His attention to detail and commitment to student safety during arrival and dismissal are greatly appreciated by our staff and families. Beyond the regular school day, Officer Ra regularly works after school activities and events requiring a police presence, including athletic games, graduation ceremonies, school dances, and proms. His professionalism and visible present help ensure these events are conducted in a safe and orderly manner. Officer Ralph consistently exceeds expectations through his dedication, reliability, and willingness to serve wherever he is needed. His commitment to our schools and community has made a meaningful and lasting impact, and I'm grateful for his service. I offer my highest recommendation for officer route and I'm confident he will continue to be an outstanding asset in any capacity.
57:12Thank you.
57:14What is he doing in his school not session back in regular patrol? He's on regular patrol right now and he will um probably bounce once the playground open. Once Oakdale opens, he'll uh bounce back between back and forth between that and the school because
57:32they'll have um
57:33school program too,
57:34right?
57:35Yeah.
57:36But other than that, he he is working regular patrol right now
57:39because I'm thinking with Mr. Rearen's connection with the school having you know an email blast right when we do this education thing. I think if he can take his his connection send it to the parents say hey grab this educational thing at this date blah blah blah blah blah I think there's a nice connection that we don't have the resources to do because we don't have emails to kids and parents right so I think getting him on board with uh Mr. router route and uh lining up whatever is the educational time to make sure Derek sends this out,
58:18right? An email blast to parents.
58:20Okay.
58:21Right.
58:22Okay, we can do that. I can reach out to the superintendent as well.
58:26Yeah.
58:27So that all all age groups can know get that info. Um sir, was there anything specific that you wanted to talk about with his role?
58:40So I feel like your email earlier did a good job escalating what we were ask what Jenny was specifically asking about if there's just like a quarterly wrap up book of like how things are going. I don't even think it needs to be reported like reported out. There's not huge instances, but
59:02I think it'd be nice to hear what's happening if we have an officer there. Okay.
59:07Yeah. I mean know I mean I think uh you might know a little bit but when there are um incidents where a student may have made a threat or vice versa he is involved in like those superintendent hearings and um the they're called tarpos the temporary extreme risk protection orders. Um so he is responsible for um handling those and what happens is that reach out to the parents and if there's any threat or risk for a gun or a weapon to be brought to school uh they go to this their house
59:45and search and make sure that there are no weapons and if there are firearms specifically they get removed from the home for a period of time
59:53because I think those were the instances that community like when there is a uh situation at the school and the school puts out public notification like that's where most of the speculation from the community comes in like should I handle it this way why didn't you do it this way cuz people are just not aware what's actually happening so if there's something quarterly that's like
1:00:12this is what this is what um officer is dealing with on a regular basis or this is what his role is in the school even if it's something that he hasn't done but just bringing awareness to other things that you know he could be handling in the school I think it will just help overall role between district and the city. Mhm.
1:00:31Bridging some of those gaps in communication
1:00:34instances would be great, but since everyone in school is still a juvenile I
1:00:40So we can't give out any of that
1:00:43information specific. Yeah.
1:00:46What his role is
1:00:47the role great but yeah but nothing beyond that would be great. I think even if we do the report of his attending a B football game blah blah blah that's it's like because that's community interaction right you know he attended x amount of games
1:01:02I mean I can certainly say like there were x number of reports of you know um someone bringing a weapon to the school I don't have to specify student or whatever I can just
1:01:16teacher
1:01:17right I could just say these are there's this many incidents at the school. Um because I also know that he will also help transport kids with staff home and and from home to school. So he is involved in a lot more than what um maybe everyone thinks. It's not just like police um business.
1:01:39Yeah. That's why I think you know the community engagement at the games is very important too because that that's him being part of that community and on a positive level. We don't
1:01:48until last year he was uh coaching volleyball as well. was
1:01:53um so
1:01:55but he bowed out last year.
1:01:59All right. Well, thank you. Any question?
1:02:01I think that's it for my list.
1:02:05Okay. Um any questions in the room regarding anything discussed so far? Logan, anyone online? Chief. Okay. Thank you. Um thank you very much. All right. I uh I took whole show. Sorry.
1:02:24That's what you're here for the beginning.
1:02:27Not just yet. Okay. He's he's up next. I did while
1:02:33While we were here, I did read a little the rest of the bicycle stuff. Okay. And it is
1:02:40uh I'll just do I'll just do the quick blurb that refers to the age of people. Generally, no person shall ride, drive, or operate a bicycle along any public sidewalk or footpath intended for the use of pedestrians. This provision shall not apply to children 10 years of age or under, nor to inid individuals or cripples who cannot walk.
1:03:01Oh, we need to change that.
1:03:04We should probably change. Yes. And we're a little our our vernacular is a little outdated. Uh yeah. So let's Well, I'll find out.
1:03:13I think the age should probably change to
1:03:15Yeah, maybe 14
1:03:17minimally.
1:03:19Yeah, I
1:03:21maybe 16.
1:03:23I know that's tough.
1:03:25There's
1:03:26pretty fast 16 year olds out there.
1:03:28I know. I just If we're talking about liability, I would to have a code that does put juveniles in the street.
1:03:35Yeah. Yeah. So maybe 17. Absolutely.
1:03:3916's a good place to start.
1:03:40I guess this is where people bicycling
1:03:4515 and under. I mean at 16 they're I think we should look my I think 15 is
1:03:51I think it should be consistent with New York state law and I think 16.
1:03:56We'll ask council to uh find the age.
1:03:59Yeah.
1:03:59Sorry. Legal council, not this council. Um so I'll just mark it. It's 786 A.
1:04:07Yeah, definitely.
1:04:09I can't believe it says 10. That's crazy.
1:04:15There's a lot in that book. That means
1:04:17Yeah. Yeah. One awful section at a time. Um, we won't read anymore. That's it on that one.
1:04:24Okay.
1:04:25Nick coach, thank you for being sitting here. I'm glad you It's better that you're at the end because fire and police, we need a little bit of code along the way.
1:04:35Right. Glad I had coffee.
1:04:38Me too.
1:04:40Um I don't have much. Uh I have my monthly report, so there'll be some questions or whatever. Um so, um we reviewed and issued 27 building permit applications and issued 27 building permits. Um 10 municipal search letters. We issued two certificate of occupancies, six certificates of compliance. Um we went on 21 construction inspections and four housing inspections. We issued three demo permits. Um eight orders to remedy violations. Um, and then our regular meetings and whatnot throughout the month. Um, in terms of revenue, I mean, just all together, we bring in $24,243.92
1:05:38last month.
1:05:42Should pay for a little bit.
1:05:45That's
1:05:46That's a light month.
1:05:47Yeah. Let's get you some more help. Yeah, that'd be nice. Uh, we are hiring full-time person. Well, we're looking to hire a fulltime person, I should say. We don't have any applicants yet. So, anybody knows somebody that wants to be a code enforcement officer, please?
1:06:07As long as they don't have to read all the emails,
1:06:11you got to read that, you know, that
1:06:12this is an easy one.
1:06:14Yeah.
1:06:14Yeah. Um, well, thank you. Um, I had some things for Nick, but we discussed it earlier. It wasn't anything we needed to bring up at the committee, and we don't have to wave through it again.
1:06:26Couple sidewalks obstructed that I'm going to take a look at.
1:06:28Sidewalks and signs.
1:06:30Um, oh, there was something I did want to um mention. Um,
1:06:35just reminding anyone, too.
1:06:37I keep getting complaints about chickens and roosters growing and rats from these chicken coops and stuff like that. So I think possibly we should review our chicken coupe laws and stuff like that.
1:06:51We Isn't it uh six six hens no roosters? Right.
1:06:56Yes. Correct. So that was my order directly. I did make contact with that home today. But uh chickens bring rats.
1:07:03They do.
1:07:04Well, there's a there was a there was a part of that was something to do with that rats and whatever, right? In terms of that code. I thought that law that was written in there's something to do about the bars, right? Varmment control.
1:07:17If you have rats, you have to get rid of your chickens basically.
1:07:20Well, if if they're a nuisance or if it's an issue, you you can lose that permit or you lose that your chickens, right? I thought there was something in that there's something that you had to do. I can't remember because it was a while ago that they introduced that that because you had to do like a permit to to get that, right? to get your tickets because you had to go through
1:07:40Yeah, you have to book the planning board to apply uh and get approval from them.
1:07:46Um I think it's a $500 fee just to be able to get the chicken fee. You are correct. You're five chickens. No roosters. Um the person with the rooster um wasn't aware of that. They are now. They said they'll get rid of it within the next two days. Um if they don't, then we'll write them an OTR as well. What's that? I don't I don't know how they're going to get rid of it. They just need to
1:08:13um
1:08:14Well, if I say rooster,
1:08:16we have all their all their neighbors are complaining about it. Of course, I think it's probably at 5:00.
1:08:20Yeah.
1:08:21Yeah, that one's an easy one not to
1:08:23Then we saw my cousin Viddy, right?
1:08:27Yes. Um well, thank you. Uh, since you did bring that up, I have been reminded of the um the ordinance, sorry, the code saying no posting of bills or advertisements on city property, i.e. street lamps, street poles,
1:08:51and public um utility. And we do have an enormous amount of signs that are posted on street land, street poles and utility.
1:09:06Those poles aren't owned by the city. They're actually owned by National Grid,
1:09:10right? But they aren't in the city. So it uh the way I read the code, of course, you're the code master. Um the way I read it says they're our responsibility.
1:09:19Code master.
1:09:22Um yep. The pools are owned by National Grid. It's technically their property. Uh I can write uh to whom it may concern otr at National Grid, but I don't think we're going to get much of a response from them.
1:09:36Let's just walk street. Yeah,
1:09:38it does obstruct vision. Um especially at first, I'm sorry, third and St. Mary's um on Allen Street.
1:09:46I agree.
1:09:48$200, not the new poles, right? that are the old ones.
1:09:53Well, they're supposed to be removed anyway. I think they're $200 plus 15 days maximum in jail. I'm sure they're not going to put them back up after that.
1:10:03I'm sorry. What What are you You're not talking about the regular business signs. Do we have a business in town in the city of Hudson that has one of these signs?
1:10:14Not that I'm aware. No, no. just like the the moving company, the cars for kids or whatever it is, the clean your house type of stuff.
1:10:24Mhm.
1:10:25Um, you know,
1:10:26but they are putting them on
1:10:29private property, which National Crater owns those poles again. Um, so it's hard for me to uh enforce these companies. They're mounting signs.
1:10:40Do they own the pole if we have to mount the light on it? Is it not our pole now? No, I guess it's it's still there. All right.
1:10:48I've already looked into this.
1:10:50Okay.
1:10:50I'd love for them to get taken down,
1:10:54right?
1:10:54I'd love it if somebody would take them down.
1:10:57So, if natural has no
1:10:59What?
1:10:59Thank you.
1:11:00If National Do they have to remove the pole?
1:11:05I can't take them.
1:11:06If there's no lines, if it's not an active pole, it's just there any do they have to remove the pole?
1:11:13No. No. No, even it's not
1:11:16even if it's their property, they have that easement, their pole, then
1:11:21I would say no.
1:11:22Huh. I don't see anything about rats in here.
1:11:31No, I think it was the the initial
1:11:35probably conversation because I mean that code is only a few years old itself, isn't it?
1:11:40Yeah, it's like six or eight.
1:11:43Mhm. No, 2024.
1:11:46I'm sorry. 2004. So, we have a little age here
1:11:51still. I mean,
1:11:52no. No, we just did that.
1:11:54The chicken law.
1:11:56Uh, the chicken law was updated in 24, but it originally went on the books in Oh,
1:12:02yeah. But it might have said no chicken. Yeah, it was.
1:12:04Yeah, that was 2020, six years ago. And then updated in 24,
1:12:07right? I believe it was no chickens before and then they changed it. Uh to which we should consider changing it against
1:12:16Yeah. to what? One chicken.
1:12:19Chickens.
1:12:20No chickens. I like that. I like chicken.
1:12:23Yeah.
1:12:24It's a small city, but still we're close. Did you watch the meeting? Was that
1:12:30the chickens? A lot of chickens.
1:12:33Sorry. What? Said those meeting were quite contentious.
1:12:36Oh yeah. Well, I I could imagine that a lot of people didn't watch chickens.
1:12:42No, we we get Lloyd to dress up as Colonel Sanders and
1:12:46Yeah, but if if there is an issue with rats in because of them, then there's got to be some kind of
1:12:53Yeah, I mean, they're causing infestation. That's another quote that we could get into, you know. Um, so I don't know. It's it's a new one um to me. So, uh that's just something I'm bringing up. Maybe we'll mark that as well.
1:13:0870-17 homework.
1:13:16Margaret.
1:13:17Yes. Uh, can you hear me?
1:13:20We can hear you.
1:13:21Yes. I was actually on the council when uh we brought back bringing in chickens into Hudson. And I don't remember anything about rats. And if this is something uh Nick, if you could send me exactly the section of the code that that is in question. Um
1:13:44tell you right now if you want.
1:13:45Yeah. No, no, I don't I'm not writing up notes. if you could just email me exactly what I need to look at, LC can take it up and we can update the code so that we can address that very issue. But I actually have no recollection of any discussion of rats.
1:14:08I got I'll send it over.
1:14:09I can keep rats though. That's what it says. It might be part of the application, but I'm not I know there's something about
1:14:14robots. If we need to put that in there, we will put that in there. I know that I know that the thing the only thing we looked at was square footage panning, no roosters, no more than six chickens. That was what we were looking at.
1:14:32Sorry,
1:14:33five chickens.
1:14:34Yeah, like it was Yeah, less six less than six. I know that six was a number. Um but yeah, I don't honestly I don't remember anything about the rat issue and um if there's something we need to add to that code, happy to do it. Uh just send me an email and we will look at it and amend the code.
1:14:58Thank you.
1:15:02Uh anything else from you, Nick, relating to code issues? Any council members? I do have something. Please, wait a minute. I need a smart homework for Nick. Well, he he loves homework. Yes. So, Filmont instituted a while back, right? The transition of rentals, right? There there's a application that when someone leaves, they have to go through and in get it inspected, which includes smoke detectors, blah blah blah blah blah. Is there a way we can look at Filmont's law and see how we because what what I've noticed is that when landlords tenants leave, you know,
1:15:47sometimes, you know, there's a new person comes in, there's stuff missing, smoke detectors, things like that, and there's a transition. So is there a way to see how we can ensure safety for tenants tenants that there's this stuff in place incl you know um be because right now it's only if if it's new right but if
1:16:09no we do building safety inspections for any multif family property three units or more or mixed use
1:16:16but it but that's only initially right
1:16:19if if a new tenant comes into one of those there's no new inspection
1:16:23not a recurring basis.
1:16:25It is.
1:16:25Yes.
1:16:26Oh, like like I know film every two years, right?
1:16:30Every three years.
1:16:31Okay. Okay. Oh, I didn't realize you guys had had that.
1:16:35Yes.
1:16:35I I know there's stuff with fire when they have fire suppressions and things like that. That's But I didn't realize each
1:16:42Yeah, there we have uh over 400 buildings that we inspect on a recurring basis.
1:16:48I guess you do
1:16:49again.
1:16:50I guess you do need a full another full timer. just to cover that. So what happens? So So every three years there's a rotating list. Now is that only as a new tenant or how's that? How's that? It doesn't matter. It's the same person living. There we go. Every three years we make sure all their smoke detectors are working. All the fire extinguishers uh have been inspected. All of the um sprinklers have been inspected. The uh the fire alarms have been inspected. Um there's no block egresses. There's no um extreme
1:17:28housekeeping issues or any life safety hazards at all.
1:17:33Okay. Okay.
1:17:35So, how do they get on the how do they initially get on your list?
1:17:38They have to register um as a multif family or mixed use building. Um and we know what properties those are based on our occupancy reports. Um, and if they change their occupancy, say you have a single family that goes to a multi family house, uh, they obviously have to build for permit to be able to do that and they get added to our Gotcha.
1:18:00Okay.
1:18:01So, it is a, um,
1:18:03great a process we do and we keep very good track.
1:18:10Great. And now and now all the smoke detectors are now 10 years, right? So, they have to have the 10ear smoke detectors moving forward, right?
1:18:18Yeah, most of them do. I mean, there's still some older ones that are, you know, lingering around. Um, they have to have CO detectors as well if there's any um gas powered equipment in the um building at all. Like even if it's way down in the basement and they're up on the ninth floor, they'll have a CO detector. Now, does one of the smoke detectors have to be hardwired
1:18:41or can they all be battery?
1:18:44It depends on the age of the building.
1:18:46Okay. Okay. You can buy radio ones that are like interconnect. Oh, I I that's what I have.
1:18:52They can, but again, uh it depends on the constru the age of the building when it was constructed and everything and what code to replace construction.
1:18:59Right. Okay. Thank you.
1:19:02You're welcome.
1:19:04Did you get did the homework correctly? Thank you. Yeah.
1:19:08Look at you go. Uh, any council questions where audience in attendance? Lloyd.
1:19:15Yeah. Hello J voice the reason. That's interesting. You have a list of occupied premises. You have like a is that a complete list of all the premises in Hudson?
1:19:29What do you mean by that? Well, you see you have an occup list. What does that entail?
1:19:34We have at every address in the city of Hudson, uh, we know how many are in it.
1:19:42Apartments.
1:19:42Mhm.
1:19:43That doesn't necessarily mean occupy.
1:19:48Uh,
1:19:50no. I mean, if a if a apartment is vacant and a landlord's looking for a new tenant, no, we wouldn't know.
1:19:56We know that.
1:19:57No. I'm just curious to that important not to vacancy.
1:20:03No, just we have a list of any building that's either mixed use, which means like these ones on Orange Street where they might have a commercial building downstairs and then two apartments above them or even one apartment above them, that would still be an inspe inspectable building.
1:20:19Um, if it has mixed use or it has three or more apartments inside a building. So, the only ones we don't inspect would be single family or two family homes, which in Hudson, uh, the majority of the buildings in Hudson are mixed use or multif family. So, we get into a lot of them.
1:20:40And you said there's like 400 of those.
1:20:42There's over 400 of those buildings. Correct. Not buildings, properties. Does some of these properties are Hudson Terrace or Skyler Court and so on that have multiple buildings on them. So, in terms of how many apartments were actually inspecting, it's thousands. Okay. Now, hiring.
1:21:05Thank you. Uh, anyone else? No. No. All right. Uh, anyone online other than the hand already raised? No. Okay. Well, that being the case, um, I don't have any more business. Thank you. Thank you both for coming. And uh this meeting is adjourned.
1:21:24Thank you.
1:21:24Or concluded, however.

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