Common Council, Infrastructure Committee

1. 0:03ready to go. >> Okay. Uh I'm calling to order the infrastructure committee meeting on city of Hudson, New York, July 13th. Independence in the room is council member Henry Gadan. And online is uh Mr. Romani. Um and uh we have Rob Perry. in the house to present the DPW report for the month. >> All right. Thank you. Uh [clears throat] revenue for May was $55,693. So that was a a very good month. Uh probably in our one of our top 10 of all time. And so the the big topic for uh sewer this meeting is our speedies per minute. So the speedies permit is the regulation that DEEC issues the city and it determines what what makes our our sewer
2. 1:09plant operationally successful or not. And there's a number of metrics that are required and all of these metrics require some type of sampling, some type of testing, some type of observation. Now, we've been under a a permit since 2007. It expired. Somewhere around 2015, DEEC issued an oper uh an administrative um extension. And you know, we've been in limbo with those guys for uh probably 15 years. And so now the the permit is actually going to match what the plant was that we built in 2010. So 16 years later they're catching up to us which is what it is what it is. So now [clears throat] so the the cover pages here uh I I did ask Stan I don't know if it's on the DPW website yet it will be but I just have certain pages I've pulled out of it. Obviously this is the cover page with
3. 2:11the August one uh start date which is it becomes effective in in two weeks. So one of the things to know is there are um a number of csos these are combined sewer overflows and these are the the points where when we have heavy rains they mix with the sewer they over they exceed the capacity of the sewer and then they go off into either another body of water receiving body and if it's a rain event these are permitted under certain conditions and if it's not a rain event then they're not permitted it. But [clears throat] one of the things that's notable is you'll only see three outfalls listed under our old permit. I believe we had a minimum of six, but we might have had as many as eight. So over the last 15 years, we've we've abandoned or or closed uh for sure three of them, but I think almost five of them. And the significance of that is kind of like from a Bronx tail, right?
4. 3:13If there's no cso now can't leave, right? because there's there's no connection. So whether or not the process has an issue or not, the the physical connection between our system and a receiving body has been closed off whether it's been blocked off, concreted, capped, or whatever. So we're down to only three outfalls, which is good because the the goal is to have no outfalls. Uh but that's that goal is a little bit off. So one of the other issues is uh what we're going to be monitoring. So in page three you'll see uh the red circles are new. So ammonia will be a new test that'll be quarterly. Mercury is a new test that's once once a month. And these are reflecting uh federal standards not because anything that they are concerned about in Hudson personal you know specifically but these are just things that over the last 15 years have been added to um the speedies permits. Chloroform is also something that's just been added o over the years and that is a quarterly test. So you
5. 4:17know all of these uh new tests obviously will incur new costs for lab tests because you know we don't perform the lab test. We collect the samples then they have to get transported up to the lab in Alb for their quantification and review up there. Um the chlorine residual you'll see it says it's 0.1 and and I'm going to get to that a little greater detail in just a couple of minutes. Uh down at the bottom you'll see whole effluent toxicity which is wet testing. This is something that's relatively new to the world and the easiest way to to describe it is it tries to determine what impact the effluent even if it's permitted with you know meets all the requirements has on the receiving body and so effectively they'd have to go collect like these five gallon totes of water either from the North Bay or from the river. I've been told Catskill is making their collections near the the bridge. Um,
6. 5:20yeah, it's look, it's it's the DEC and EPA, but I guess the part of the goal is to they take the samples and they're trying to determine uh they put like these, you know, the bottom level of the food chain, the producers, these fleas, these like little minnows, these little, you know, types of arthropod, not arthropods, but mulus or whatever, and they see how well they survive to get an indication of how what our impact is on the receiving bodies. I'm I'm not sure how it works exactly, but that's >> So, this the first time we're going to do it. >> Well, actually, this one we won't even start doing until 2027. Um, but yes, it will be the first time. So, um I guess that's [clears throat] another set of testing. There is also um changes to our contact. So right now 6 million gallons a day goes through the entire treatment process with final u multiple clarification and uh disinfection at the
7. 6:25end. Once we exceed 6 million gallons a day, there's a contact tank where it doesn't get the secondary clarification. It kind of skips a couple steps, but it gets disinfection with chlorine. This has been in place since the plant was built 15 years ago, but there's never been any monitoring limits or requirements for that. That changes August 1st. So in August 1st, we actually have to uh install a mechanical sampler, which is basically a refrigerator with a little tiny pump in it and a bunch of jars. And when the event is triggered, uh a signal tells this pump to start going and it starts drinking samples. >> [clears throat] >> takes the sips a little bit. Yeah. So, take one, it'll take a half an hour later, it'll take another one a half hour later, take another half hour, and it comes up with an idea where [clears throat] what the limits are. And those things will have to be sent off to the lab just like the test that we do for the the regular treatment process. >> Um, so, you know, there's another set of
8. 7:28testing and this is basically every time it rains and the contact tank um has flow to it. That so it's a pretty regular that it goes over 600. Is that what you're saying? >> Well, you know Yeah. When it rains Yeah. We get a heavy rainstorm. It's It's pretty It's good for uh probably three, four times a month, but it like I said, it does get treated partially treated and it does get hit with chlorine. We're actually going to have to sample the chlorine residual as well. Now, [clears throat] the next part gets a little bigger. Um the schedule compliance is because right now our chlorine residual at the end of the process can be two milligrams per liter or two parts per million. The new limit is going to be 0.1. So it's going to be reduced by 95%. Now the only way you can have enough chlorine in to kill everything and then minimize it is to have a second a new
9. 8:32process called decllor decllorination. So the chlorine is going to have to do its job disinfect and then another treatment process is going to have to be added which does not exist currently at the plant that's going to introduce another chemical that'll kill the chlorine and neutralize it. And so um because of you know the so many unknowns with the plant and samples you know DEEC has given us basically a five-year period to study tell them how we want to study what what our plan is um then use that whatever is approved to actually generate an actual study and a report and then from those findings we're going to have to come up with an engineering report that states how we how we physically are going to attempt uh achieve that goal and um you know then we're going to have to actually do some hardcore design and construction. Um, you know, we will be applying for we will apply for grants for this. Uh, you know, it's a little premature right now uh because we don't really have an idea
10. 9:35what it is the final treatment process will look like, but in a couple of years, you know, and we'll state that it's a requirement from uh the speedies permit, which helps us score a little higher and uh you know, probably a planning grant first and then and then a capital grant afterwards. So, um, you know, that's that's a 5year look ahead that doesn't need to be actually implemented until 2031, >> but still have a consultant that helps with this the planning. >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So, um, so that's that's the the major uh gist of what changes uh next month and and for the next couple of years. Um but it will be a a pretty significant uh there will be some changes in the operation capacity at the plant and uh in our regulatory requirements. >> So now >> yes but we are not doing the next step >> correct this thing. We just we we have a
11. 10:39limit that says two parts per million and as long as we're less below two parts per million out it goes to the river and everything's a-ok okay that two is going to be reduced to 0.1 and it's it's physically incapable to to thread a needle to get just enough chlorine to kill everything because we take we're going to take tests and if there's not enough chlorine in there there's going to be a bunch of pathogens >> and so we'll fail those tests and if we have too much chlorine Uh, you know, then we're going to have to >> do a tree pro at random. Is that basically it? >> Well, it's it's a treat. >> Yeah, it's going to basically we're going to be swinging it. Um, it's got it's going to be like the the sauna into the frozen lake. >> Yes. You know, we're going to whack we're going to hit it with the chlorine to make sure everything's dead. And then we're going to whack it with I think with sodium biofulfate or whatever chemical that neutralizes the chlorine. >> It's going to be a little one tube down
12. 11:41there. >> Just so people aren't confused. This is all on the sewer end. >> This is all the sewer because people get concerned about chlorine. >> Yeah, that's different. >> Yeah, we already know our drinking that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's different. [laughter] >> Well, not so much. I mean it should >> not as much >> as soon as it I mean chlorine itself is a gas. >> It's been you know augmented to be in liquid form but as soon as it comes out of your spigot it's there's there's not much left. >> Yeah. >> Are we trying to get to 0.1 or are you just kind of trying to find the happy median along the >> No, they made it pretty clear 0.1 will be the that's where everybody else is. >> We have five years to figure out how to do it. Okay. >> Along with deadlines, we mentioned the CSOS, the last three. Is there any deadline on us needing to get rid of those or >> Well, ultimately that is the goal and you know once once the entire system is separate then yeah there'll be no need for these the CSOS will be abandoned >> after the big >> after well after the big big you know
13. 12:44>> two or three right. Yeah. But, you know, in the near future, uh, we're down to three and those three will be there for, um, the next one that would logically go would be the Underh Hill Pond one. Uh, because a significant portion of upstream from that, the Columbia and Green and Fairview and Aken whatever are going to be part of the 2930 construction project. Um so which is already part of this the capital project. Uh we did have our annual inspection at this sewer plant and the overall was satisfactory. There's obviously a little punch list of follow-up things. One is making sure the operator the new operator is on uh New York Alert. It's basically a piece of paper signed by the mayor and sent to DC giving him access. Um there's a control plan that we were under the impression they had reviewed. Apparently it was to their satisfaction.
14. 13:46Apparently not. So we'll revisit the process control plan. That's not significant. Wet testing basically coming up with theoretical areas for where we'll conduct that new testing. The testing itself won't take place until 2027, but they're asking for us to come up with potential sites in advance of that. um provide confirmation the sampler the samplers for the contact tank which we've ordered already uh and that has a be has to be in line and or has to be online by August 1 for the permit to take place so we're on schedule for that and the last one is u you know the the regulator came to the plant when the one of the bars cream chains and flavor are being redone and and he says he would have liked to know about that before showing That's between him and the operator. He's talking about um for the uh separation project coming up. Just a couple of bullets just this little tiny cross-section.
15. 14:48You know, this is just going to give you an idea of how how much excavation is going to take place. So, this is a structure that's going to be installed on Third Street. And the rim elevation, which is basically the manhole you see on the road, is going to be about 60 76 feet. That's above sea level. The base of it is going to be at 56 ft. That structure, that manhole is going to be 20 ft tall. And >> what's that? >> That's so tall. >> Because it has to in order to make the elevations cuz everything has to go by gravity and has to hit gravity and where there always has to be a low point to take it to the next section. So, you know, if you look at it, you can see that the there's, you know, coming from the right is pretty high, but that one coming from the left is pretty low. So, it's got to get it's got to get below that in order for the discharge pipe to go carry to the next. So, um, you know, there's going [clears throat] to be some, you know, some pretty big holes in the ground for sure. So from
16. 15:51third to front street does pitch already level from I mean match it up like that >> right cuz we what we do is we start off where we left at at second street. >> Yeah. >> We use that as an end point and then we go everything goes from there up. So that way you know >> the last thing we want is to start up here come down and find out this is lower than here. And now >> I'm just >> Yeah. Yeah, we don't want to pump them. You already have gravity's cheap. >> We don't want to do any pumping. >> Um the lower map is just this is how the National Grid took as a screenshot, but this just gives you an idea. This is at third in Columbia of all the the valves, the mains. Uh there's a high pressure blowoff there. You know, you've got I'm not sure what all the colors mean. Looks like 4in plastic is one 8 in plastic over here. So, um, you know, there's a lot [clears throat] of utility conflicts that we're going to have to deal. Uh, something else I've also discussed
17. 16:54is, you know, we're going to be putting with this storm separation project, we're going to be repping up the road. There'll be hardly any road left. And we're also be running new laterals for sanitary, the sewer, and storm water to all of the buildings to make the connections. By the time we're done uh destroying everything, we're basically going to replace 100% of the sidewalks. Uh so anywhere when you see this little red these red, that's basically long for the Columbia Street. >> Well, for this phase, but when we do green and upper Columbia and Fair View in two years from now, they're going to have a similar issue because we're going to be we're going to be destroying those sidewalks as well. So, the good news is, you know, the bulk of Columbia Street is going to get brand new ADA, you know, pristine uh sidewalks. Uh the bad news is, you know, we still have to destroy everything, put all the new in and then back fill and then this is restoration.
18. 17:58So, you're still, you know, you're two years out. Um, but I did meet with the sidewalk board and you know shared this information with them and basically said that they should focus on other parts of the city and bother doing anything on Columbia Street just so that we can destroy it and put it back down again. >> Right. >> Um, so just uh there will be a couple of resolutions this month. Um we'll be applying for the water uh infrastructure improvement and water quality improvement. These are two grants that are are part of the project that we have right now, but they you're able to apply for more of them annually. Uh I do not expect to be awarded them because we have two that are we have one of each that's already with us. But we do it because, you know, we want to show the DEEC that we're, you know, serious about financing the next round of projects. And um, you
19. 19:02know, if they give it to us, that's great. Um, we don't need to commit anything right now. We would only commit if an award was made and any commitment that we would make in terms of a match would be from a sewer fund, not the general fund. But it's like I guess you'll see a resolution. It's just to apply for the the grants and you know if we get them we get them and if we don't that's okay too. Um so that's that. Uh shifting to water. Uh I I know there's been a lot of attention given to the the earth sign visitors in the city but we uh we had a bear that came inside the the fence of the water plant. We believe he scaled it and uh came by the plant the tank, went for a little swim in the detention pond, checked out our fence line. Everything seemed to be pretty good and then he hopped over the fence and off he went to Greenport. So,
20. 20:06um just you know more annual maintenance of the water plant. These are the backwash surge pumps. These are in a 20 foot deep wet well. They run 24 hours a day. uh just so that way the backwash from the filtration process gets slowly introduced into the sewer system cuz it doesn't ultimately get treated at the sewer plant. Um out in churchtown, you know, some of the the drainage pipe around the the foot of the dam was was damaged and so, you know, we we removed it, excavated, put a new bed in, new pipe, put stone over top of it. um seal project. Um one of the things is the dam itself has an in an engineering assessment. It's a it's a rather detailed report and it needs to be you know reviewed and renewed uh you know over 5 to 10 years. So we're actually you know over 10 years. Um, so at this point, I believe we have enough money in
21. 21:09other accounts in the water fund, but you will see a transfer resolution so that way I can put it into um a professional services account for for these guys so we can get them uh on the job. But, you know, you can see it's, you know, mapping, you know, hydraulic modeling, you know, even though we have one in place, they want they want it updated. How much program? Uh, >> 62 grand. There's a water running. Um [clears throat] just a little little parks action. Our guys are out there tending to the complete streets greenery and the CAC with their trees. Apparently I agreed to make sure we watered them for 5 years. It wasn't my recollection, but whatever. So, we went and ordered new bags and uh you can see a little hose along the road. We just uh put a a hose bib on the hydrant and then run 400 ft of hose either direction. Takes a guy about half
22. 22:14a day to do it. Uh let's see what road restoration seasonal stuff. This is not a union turbike, you know, by the noer. Um, you know, the crosswalks we started putting some material down after this one was put down by the the one by the opera house was melted and removed because that one's that one was really never compliant. Never had any ADA ramps. Um, there's signs, there's tree, there's utility, uh, street lights. Uh, there's a just there's catch basin. There's about five or six different conflicts uh that make that not a good crosswalk. So this is why the sidewalk project on the sidewalk board last year and then we did the cross. >> Was there a ramp on the on the north side? >> Nope. >> Well, neither side had ramp. >> Oh, >> the new one does. >> Yeah, >> new one has ramps on both sides. Yeah, new one's actually legit. Um, you know, just some sidewalks sprawling. It was up on sure why they felt the need to patch
23. 23:19this up, but I would have I thought we were going to hand it over to the sidewalk, but they're doing ramps more than doing centers blocks. So, it was just an easy fix and actually did a pretty good job smoothing it out. So, I can't believe I was able to fix such a mess. uh sidewalk replacement coin dispenser. Oh, just you know because I know everybody loves updates on the world famous garbage bag vending machine, but the uh coin dispenser busted. It was original from 2016 and now we have a new one in there. This one has actually two slots for dollar coins. So hopefully it won't run out of 75 to 80% of the sales are card now. Anybody uh you know we had a pretty good storm that came through. just shows some tree damage that was done. This is over at 7th and Cherry alley or prison alley and then you know it was on the road on the sidewalk. So we cleared it back whatever was left on the property and we leave that for the property owner. Um this is just there was a thing on
24. 24:23gossips about some little bumps and collisions that were on Green Street and I just wanted to share >> this was from the legal committee. I just wanted to share the police reports that associated with the one. So the one where there was the rear end the uh >> the operator say he was traveling west on Green Street when he fell asleep with the wheel and uh the other one uh down by Mckinbury. The operator say the vehicle pulled to the right causing the vehicle to hit another one. So we just want to make sure that there's transparency. Uh I have eight of the similar reports. >> Yeah. >> And uh >> one was drunk. >> Well, [laughter] so the the whole crux of this that Rob is burying the lead is that we're I particularly and others that working with me are aiming to get some lines on any street in Hudson that has over 6,000
25. 25:26vehicles a day. It is uh a mandate in the MUTCB from the federal federal government and we have uh a number of streets that have over 6, seven vehicles a day. And uh this particular photo that um Rob included the red car is a teacher at uh the elementary school. He came home. So this happened between the time he left for school and the time he came home from school. So that was someone's falling asleep. They fell asleep in the middle of the day. Um but yeah. >> Yeah. But there is a um Yeah. This one the next page, this one on Green Street, the vehicle that he hit squarely in the back of the Jeep. So the white pickup truck on the right, my house is in the picture. >> Yeah. >> So he was fully driving in the lane that is the parking lane. He hit that Jeep, pushed it 10 ft, hit the large 2500 GMC,
26. 26:31moved it 10 ft up on the sidewalk. Um, his vehicle to say his vehicle pulled to the right would be crazy. >> No, this was this was in 10 park in the morning. He hit it. >> Well, we don't judge. >> We don't. [laughter] >> Okay. So, I've heard this argument a lot. I can tell you that I don't There's It was in the morning. That's all. >> 7:30. Yeah. I don't see There's no tickets issued. >> No tickets issued. >> No tickets issue. >> No. None of these tickets. >> All of these should have tickets in >> I would think so. And I've heard this excused about So how many drinks? It's an old thing that drunks follow like follow the lines of the road to stay on the road. And how many drinks does it take before you stop before you can stop following the lines of the road? I think lines even help drugs. They do. So, and >> is that our PSA? >> What is that drugs in? >> Yeah. White lines help drugs. >> White lines, yellow lines.
27. 27:33>> White lines help drugs. >> That's also what you're taught in defensive driving. If the headlights are too bright. >> Yeah. >> So, I think there's a pattern. Rob, full disclosure, share two of them. I can share all eight of them. Happy to share people if they say they're drunk. But there is a pattern. >> Words. Um, and I think it's important to do. I asked Rob to estimate it, which he said he did, but not bring with him. >> Well, he spent Well, he spent about $5,000 a year and to do what you requested would be another $4,000. >> Okay. So% increase >> is in the uh budget session in September that we try to find $4,000 to pay Green Street, Fair View, uh Prospect. Um and actually I was surprised to find that State Street actually has more than 6,000 vehicles a day. It must be a route that people cut >> that way. to Columbia.
28. 28:35>> I might be missing a street, but I'd like to see Colombia by the hospital, but I don't think that fits the bill. >> Um, so, so that's our next goal to find $2,000 in the budget. >> There was somebody that uh commented online that says Rob's just going to say, "Find me the money and I'll stripe every street you want." >> Yeah. >> But the issue is >> I've heard you say that. >> Yeah. The issue is, you know, there are some things that are permanent solutions. >> Yeah. or once every 30 year or 50 year solutions like a sign, right? Once it's up, it's up. We don't need any maintenance on it. But when it comes to crosswalk markings and when it comes to striping, that's an annual sale. So, you know, like uh when when Vicki just was uh was here, you know, she was great to rally the troops to get us money to pay for a paddic place. >> Yeah. >> But now those are striped. that's got bike, you know, little bike things on it and there, you know, there's no increased money to cover that. So, that just means that there's less of
29. 29:38something else that gets done. And, uh, you know, so everybody's great at coming up with year$1 solutions, but nobody has figured out a way to, you know, keep it, you know, funded in perpetuity. Do you because I thought you you mentioned >> well I mean you know if they want to start >> you know there's there's there's a couple of of solutions that I have or you know I mean there are if you want to do capital reserves where there are certain projects that go into uh a capital or something that's funded like the library gets funded to a certain amount every year no questions asked that goes in there can't be raised without going to referendum can't be voted without going to referendum I'm not saying a referendum, but I don't know if there's a tool or something where you just say that these are certain things that that you know we believe need to be funded outside of the room of everything else. Obviously, the caveat is, you know, you don't get to put $20,000 in this new account and then reduce the materials and supplies you have by $20,000 and say, you know, ready
30. 30:42spaghetti because it's it it's a push, you know. So, let me ask when you prepare your budget, you put a line item with this in it. >> Sure. >> And then we'll collect and we'll find a way to just got to keep everything else funded cuz that's what they do. They say, "Well, look, we gave it here and next thing I know, I get a position or I got, you know, like this student last year, everybody else is getting these jobs." Everybody else seems to be getting those positions filled again except for old me. >> Yeah. These accidents are You see the pictures? They're terrible. >> Um terrible privacy right there. >> I don't know how fast you're going. You should >> when you don't hit the brakes. >> Yeah, I know. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. The white pickup truck was probably going 30 miles hour when it hit. No, there was no brakes. >> So, they were on their phone not paying attention or something. >> Oh, yeah. They lied when they said the truck appeared. Of >> course, >> and so did the sleeping person. >> Yeah.
31. 31:42>> Yeah. Same with the sleeper. That should be a ticket. Whatever. That's for HPD. >> That's right. That's >> Oh, that's what the third of the >> Yeah, exactly. Um, >> not that tree fell. >> A tree fell. >> A tree fell. A lot of trees fell. This is just at the cemetery. Uh, you know, this one's up on the hill. You know, obviously clear. Just showing you, you know, guys out there with equipment, safety gear, doing their job. spaghetti. Login, can you appear on the line if you have questions? >> Who are you voice a reason? >> The voice of reason call. Oh, you have one. Let's go voice in the room first. Go ahead. >> Okay. So, you mentioned it the library $400,000 a year. We can't do anything. I would like to correct that misapprehension because if they are not performing and there are legal oversight requirements
32. 32:47that the city times should be you know with there's something going on it's fiduciary oversight and that is a valid thing for some reason we think because it's the library and it's a referendum we cannot have any oversight and that is a canard but anyway I wouldn't have mentioned it but you brought it So >> that's okay. >> In terms of the finances, I'd like to remember every remind everybody that the the budget didn't balance this year. It was 400,000. Okay. The revenue was did not meet the expenses. We're looking at spending more money. To Rob's point, you know, we want to spend money. I mean, I've been here where council members were elections who approved that expense and then Rob go you did, >> you know. >> So, that's the other thing. And when it gets to Well, I got two more things and then I'm done. All right. Um, you know, lines in the road don't cure stupid. And if we're looking at one out of a million, you know, people, you
33. 33:51know, that just do stupid things. I if you could cure stupid with paint on the in the center of the road. Okay. Now the last item and I'm done. The tree of peace. Do we know the outward the the tree of peace? Is the city have taken possession of the tree of peace? Does the DBW know about anything about the treaty? >> No, it was not DBW didn't rescue it. You did, right? >> I rescued it. >> Yeah. You you had the picture. People went down there and looked and that was it. I took that picture and that was the last time I saw it. >> That was it. So, you know, it's it's it's Well, I think I know the location, but the tree has just not been, you know, there's been no word. >> I would suggest contact. >> Well, I kind of have. >> Okay. >> I kind of have, but uh >> I think this answer >> what he he grabbed it up and ran away from me at the farmers market. >> Oh, maybe you could ask him. >> He traveled faster than he has to catch him. That would be rude.
34. 34:54>> It looks like we have a lot more suggestion of a bounty for the tree of peace. You know the academy. What is that pond? That that pool. >> The one you were just talking about with the bear. You want to be on the >> other side by the triangle of death >> up the hill. >> Yeah, that's the old playground. The captain playground. >> How the mountains not be utilized? I mean, >> that's a youth department question. >> That's the youth in the back side of the cemetery. >> Yeah, it's right there. >> Got little buildings got had bathrooms in it and >> because back in the day Hudson had neighborhood playgrounds. >> So, there was one at Charles Williams. There was one down before urban renewal. There was one down in Franklin Park, right? There was Academy Hills for the kids who lived up on Storm and Fair View. And then there was something over at John El Glenwood had one, right? Were I missing one? >> Okay. >> And at the end of the season they had
35. 35:56Olympics. All the camps would compete against each other down at Charles Williams, right? >> Yes. >> Let's bring that back. I'm going to advocate you bring that back. >> Neighborhood parks. >> We have room up there. >> Plenty of room up there. >> 12,000. It's probably direct soil from the tree of peace. You know, it doesn't the tree of peace doesn't belong on a cliff with you know that that the soil where where it was originally. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. My pleasure. Your voice a reason. >> Okay. Uh the Bill Houston online would like to ask a question. >> You're on. >> Yeah. Um have have you finished with new business, old business and new business? We're right now we just finished with Rob Perry's report and so I'd like to focus on any question for DPW type stuff. We're going to do a couple things after that as of the committee. >> Okay. Uh all right then I got a couple questions if I could. Um first a
36. 36:59comment. Um, I'd just like to say that it's pretty apparent to me that if the city continues down this path with having just one person in charge of all of DPW, you're going to continue to run into problems. This is not a critique necessarily of Rob Perry himself. He's not Superman and nobody's Superman. >> What you're what you're requiring of the DPW superintendent is too much. And that's all I'll say about that. My question to Mr. Perry, if I could is can you tell us why uh at least why the the portion of um Prospect Avenue from Rossman to Hudson doesn't have a a overnight parking rule? >> Yes. >> You don't you want to sweep there regularly? Don't you want to get snow off both sides of the street regularly? >> I think you ready to answer. We do. >> Well, why? But but it's not HPD isn't ticketing there, right? There's no rule on that section of street at least on the
37. 38:00>> Well, they can't they can't ticket >> because >> because there's odd and even on the same side of the street. >> Okay, Rob. So on Second Street between um Colombia and State on the east side of the street, what's the parking rule over there? on second street >> in front of [snorts] >> the highrise >> that one block. What is it? What's the parking rule? Here's a little quiz for you. >> So by I don't know. >> No parking on No parking on Friday nights. >> Okay. Okay. >> So you could do that. You could do that on Prospect Avenue or any or Power Avenue or or excuse me, Storm Avenue, right? You said you Storm Avenue. you going do? So, why wouldn't you do the same thing on Prospect Avenue? >> There's a new sweep and a new class. >> Why wouldn't you have the rule there, Rob? I have to move my car every night over here on State Street, but you and other people over there in Prospect Avenue don't have to because why? >> First of all, I park in a driveway, so I
38. 39:05don't know what your >> Okay. What about your neighbors? What about all those cars I see parked there? Why don't they have to move to one side or the other every night? >> Hey, hey, guess what, Bill? Why are there exceptions to the rules, Rob? Why would it be on the street you live on? >> Don't you think I get tired of telling you wrong? >> Why would you be on the street you live on? >> Aren't parked there. It's uh Frell's garage that parks all their cars there. >> My neighbors don't come around. >> The hospital employees. >> Okay. The hospital employees usually leave at 11:00 anyway after the 3 to 11 shift. Everybody else parks in the garage or the new parking area. >> Thank you, Bill. Um, I I thought your comments about um whether Rob had an assistant or not is is fair. Um, with all the budget questions, I think we have to take a long look at that, but maybe it's something to discuss more deeply. Um, thank you, Rob. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Interesting about the neighborhood part. I think we should bring them back.
39. 40:07>> The place they used to compete is now scheduled to potentially be a development on Mil Street >> which used to be a soccer field >> not take them down. >> Okay. Um I was going to discuss about the uh striping on the streets. I think he we did that as a part of Robs. Uh and I had asked him we as I said it went through the legal committee. Um he everyone there was in favor including the attorney uh Ken Dao and um we said we'd ask him for pricing which we did. So, the next step is with DEA to try to fund it. Uh, the other thing I wanted to report on is that kind of coming through the mayor's office, but just put it out there
40. 41:10soon. You'll see that the city will be applying for a CSC grant, which is um I believe it's in CSC at the moment. Uh it's a grant that's going to study uh around the park, the Seventh Street Park, the public square. Um Logan, can you bring up the concept plan parallel? >> Yeah. So, oh that one's fine. That's fine. Uh so you'll see some some notations on this, but some Friends of the public square are looking to modify the park itself and uh as a third phase I think the second phase I think is the fountain. They wanted to expand sidewalks and do some details. We've picked up on that and and we're applying for a grant to it's a design it's a study design grant um to expand the
41. 42:15sidewalks and improve pedestrian safety. You can see a bulb out at the Columbia and Parkplace. Um some added uh crosswalks and widen sidewalk at and street trees at Warren widened sidewalk 17th and potentially one way on headed south on 7th and one way headed north on Park Place. Um and so that uh grant is going to be applied for this month with the approval of the common council which um I hope that President Morris has been brought up to speed on um but because we're going to have to do some things at the council meeting to get this approved um to for the mayor to apply for this grant. So that was the those were the two topics beyond Rochester report that I want to talk about the striking of certain streets above 6,000.
42. 43:19Um you know what Logan maybe we could just show that uh the map one Hudson roadway is like 6,000 plus just so I can confirm which streets I'm >> talking about. It's actually on map. >> It's one of the maps but not the concept. >> It's Hudson. Oh, sorry. It's on the other email I sent you. >> Okay. The draft resolution. >> I check. >> I got it. >> Yeah, there you go. >> Sorry. >> So, it's uh coming in on Worth Avenue, which is already has lines. Uh Third Street um is complicated, but South Third kind of loses its stripes at the top of the hill, and those stripes um would want to at least go to more. And I think it gets a little complicated at the corner, but still. And then this I didn't circle State Street. I missed it because I didn't believe it had more than 6,000. But you can see per this map that State Street does have 6,90 vehicles a day. Green Street, Prospect,
43. 44:25and technically Green Street continues out to 23B and and and Fairview's numbers off this page, but clearly Fair View has like over 10,000 a day, maybe 15,000 a day. >> Um, so those are the streets we're talking about just to be fully clear. >> Um, any question in the room about that? Those two >> park, you know, there's two ways to expand the sidewalk. You can take it from the street or you can take it from the park. >> We're talking from the street because if you walk um you're walking up Warren >> on they're misaligned. So they're it's taking the alignment that's missing and realigning them. >> But then you're taking away from street which I think could be dangerous. No, because you're not taking away from street. You're you're taking the same amount of street that the rest of the >> the extra street. >> Yeah, >> there's extra street away to match the rest.
44. 45:28>> Yes, >> but extra street might be okay. >> It's only one block >> and it is not part of the truck. >> Yeah. >> No. >> So, there you go. >> All right. Any other hand on Bill? >> Did you hear the um hold on >> data from Manda talking about the street sign data on 700 block of Warren and 800 block uh because they did the study and it was a two week it was a onewe study I think but for a week there were 40 I think it was 48,000 cars on the >> 800. It works out to that that section of Warren actually. Yes, you're right. Because this >> right so it was kind of assumed the upper Warren from >> uh Prospect to Park Place. >> Yeah. >> Is also would also be included. >> Yeah. Okay. >> And until we had that data from the speed limit side, we didn't know that it
45. 46:32was always implied. But DOT never measured that section. >> Let's go Margaret Morris first, please. >> Uh, yes. Can you hear me? >> Yes, please. >> Yes. Good. Yes. So I have been in touch with Katherine Kanega and also with Dardy Hail with regard to the FOPS situation and we have been trying to get uh Catherine um she was traveling a little bit in May but I'm hoping and I reached out to them uh just a couple of days ago to see if they could come and make a presentation to the common council with regard to FOPS. So absolutely this is something that is on our agenda to to uh to to hear their updates on the great progress that they have made on their progress. >> Great. And I I do think of it as their what they've always called their third phase, but I want to make sure I'm >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry you're you're
46. 47:35breaking up. Uh just saying that this what we're applying for through the CSC is um is hoped to be kind of cover most of what they wanted to do in their third phase. >> Yes. Yes. And and what uh Catherine uh had wanted to come she had wanted to come before the council I guess two months ago. She was traveling. We weren't able to work it out. And so I'm hoping that in our next either informal or formal meeting that she will be there and my hope would be that Dorothy would also be able to be there. >> Great. Coming back to town. >> Is that it? Margaret. >> Sorry. What did you say? >> Hold on. >> Sir, I'm sorry. What did you say? I'm sorry. I'm just trying to break. >> Yes, I am. Yes, I am talking. >> Okay. U Bill Houston, would you like to speak on this on these topics for new business?
47. 48:39>> Hey, um are are you guys aware that um two people in December were hit by vehicles turning vehicles in the crosswalk at second, excuse me, at Park and uh Warren? I mean, I know you're talking about safety around the park, but >> yeah. >> Shouldn't we be worried about that intersection? Wasn't one of those people you, Jason Foster? >> I was. And yes, this includes um all of the intersections around the around the park, not just Yes. each of those corners. >> But why haven't we talked about that intersection at all? Two people were were hit within two days, and I haven't heard a peep about any of it at any meetings for the last six months. And I understand this isn't a safety committee meeting, but my goodness. >> Um, I' I've talked about it, so I don't know. >> I don't think so. Listen, I'd like to say one last thing if I could. I don't understand why Rob Perry leaves before the end of the meeting if you guys are going to talk about new business and all sorts of things that might benefit from
48. 49:41him being there and answering questions or giving input. Why is it that Mich and David Miller stick around for the entire safety report, but Rob Perry gets to get up and leave after he gives his report? You guys don't want to talk to him for the rest of the meeting. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Bill. [clears throat] >> Have a nice day. >> Any anyone else in the committee have other topics they want to bring up? >> I have nothing new. [laughter] >> No, no, we covered all the old. >> Ronnie, anything for you? That's not Thanks, Jason. Okay. Then uh actually yeah. >> Okay. Before we >> I to add to the VA lows we did get rid of I think it was two years ago. Was it LA the I hate to just say the previous administration but we got rid of two positions at DPW. >> Yeah.
49. 50:42>> And his hands are only more tied. >> Yeah. >> I think Yeah. We don't have the money, but we make it worse by limiting the abilities of our employee pool and the man, people power that we have at our disposal. And I think we should always just recommend we need these reinstated. >> Yeah, I I wrote an email um a while back about about that. Um but the positions that were lost last year and when we put on the hiring hiring trees it was always assumed like >> it would on freeze maybe >> well if if it gets on freeze that all of the positions that were closed >> only you can just ask for an update I don't come to the BA meetings just >> well I'm hoping I don't know the right time but I'm hoping that or Margaret would put in a little different process timing and make it a little more positive. >> End of next month.
50. 51:47>> I think 10th, but I think it begins before. >> I think it kind of starts before that and then Yeah, Margaret's raised her hand. So maybe she wants to talk about it a little bit. She wants to she'd be welcome to. So I just want I just want to mention that uh as you know the BEA is made up of the mayor, the president of the common council and the treasurer and we will be having a preliminary meeting I believe this week. It has not yet been scheduled. Uh but I have confirmed that that meeting needs to be a public meeting available to all members of the public because of the BA meeting. [snorts] And so we are beginning the process of looking at the budget process for next year. So stay tuned. But believe me that I will always ensure that this all members of all meetings of the BEA will
51. 52:50be public meetings available to all members of the public at all times. That's all I have to say. >> So you know last year there was an executive session >> and no this no sorry excuse me. Sorry, this sorry this is not executive session. This is the a BA meeting between the treasurer, the mayor and the president of the common council. >> By def by definition that is a public meeting. It will be a public meeting >> and I I certainly do appreciate that because as I recollect >> I'm I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm trying I'm trying to figure out who's speaking. This is Lloyd Kenny >> and and you know I attended a majority of those BEA meetings last year. I only missed one or two and I look forward to being, you know, present at the this year's BE I find very interesting. But there, as you may recollect, the last was it the last BEA meeting where they they excused the public
52. 53:56and so I appreciate certainly what you what you're wanting to do and making it deepening it public. those last year. What happened is Tom and Heather and was the other one? >> Kamal. >> Kamal. They they conferred in private amongst the three of them and they came up with the answer to stop the BEA process and they left it with a deficit of of $400,000 without further work, which I was like I was scratching my head. So I certainly appreciate, you know, everyone's efforts, you know, with the BA to be public. So I thank you. >> Well, I thank you. >> May May I respond to that, please? >> Of course. Of course. >> May I please respond to that? I have attended all BA meetings for the last six years. I've been on the council and this is my fifth year being on the council. I attended BA meetings before I
53. 55:01was on the council. At no point was any member of the public ever excluded from attending BEA meetings. So I do not understand what Mr. Lloyd is saying here because at no point and last year I was not a member of the BA. I was a member of the council. Therefore a member of the public attending BA meetings. At no point was I excluded from attending those meetings. And so I do not understand what Mr. Lloyd is saying here. Uh because every single meeting of the BEA was open to the public at all times. So that's all I've got to say. >> All right. I'd like to I'd like >> No, because I think you should respond. >> No, this this committee >> I think I'd like the subject. I just I'd like this to be discussed at a BA meeting. >> Why? But I could just ask the question. >> I have a different understanding and I
54. 56:05think it's good to work out, you know, misunderstanding. >> If Margaret wants to continue, she's welcome. I'll let her decide. >> Margaret, would you like to continue this conversation? >> I'm sorry. This is kind of my audio is a bit strange. Repeat to me what you want me to respond to. Um, I'm just asking that, you know, this is not I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Just one voice at a time, please. >> All right. I'm going to speak. This is not really for this committee, but >> No, it is not. you. >> But if you and Lloyd would like to finish a couple comments, I'm happy to allow it to happen, but I'll leave it at your discretion because >> I do not wish to I do not wish, frankly, I do not win wish to engage in this discussion. But what I do want to iterate is that as a member of the public, not a member of the BEA for 5 years, I was able to attend every every meeting of the BEA and can and listen and uh take everything in and so I'm not
55. 57:10really understanding where Mr. Lloyd is coming from. >> Yeah. And I and I think there will be opportunity to address this at a BA meeting instead of >> Exactly. Exactly. That's fine. >> Okay. Thank you, Luke. Um, everyone's okay. I'd like to adjourn. Okay. Okay. Yep. Okay. Uh, this meeting is adjourned. Thank you. So, now we found that

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