Common Council Code and Infrastructure Committee transcript: FUTURE HUDSON

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0:22Amazon and Hello everyone. Uh calling to order the infrastructure committee meeting for August 10th, 2026 at 5:30. Um, we always like to just jump right in with the Rob Par.
0:41Thank you.
0:42Oh, sorry. Let me say that. Is here, Henry is here, Jason's here. Uh, I don't see.
0:52Okay.
0:55Uh, acceptance for June was 54,875. Uh the significance is at this point we're actually on par to make our revenue uh for the 20 2026 uh sewing line item. The um last month I talked about our new speed permit which uh actually took effect this August 1st which is a week or so ago, week and a half ago. So we've received the the new composite sampler for the contact tank. It hasn't been installed yet but that's not a big deal. just has that power the data run to it and then we fill it up with bottles. The what will happen next
1:35is every time there's a a rain event where we have an overflow through the contact tank, it'll actually take a a sip or a swallow of that discharge. It keeps it in in a refrigerated container because some of the compounds has like falcoin has to be refrigerated. If it's anywhere near warmth, the the colonies will actually grow and explode and you it won't be uh realistic of what's in there. And and we do have limits in place, but they're kind of soft limits while we take the next 5 years to figure out what it's going to take to make us
2:14actually meet those limits on a on a uh on a consistent basis. you know, we're going from no measurements, no quantities, no sampling to uh some pretty some pretty strict uh regulations. So, you know, DEC is working with us and and we do have a 5-year um schedule to come to conclusions and the way we we meet it. Um as everybody recalls, we had a 9 in 8 or 9 in rainstorm on July 29th. And you know, we've got pictures. You know, this is Mil Street's number one. There's a
2:52little swirling there. That's a catch basin. That catch basin is probably 6 to 8 in under water, but so are the manholes that are in the streets. Manholes aren't watertight. So, when there's a foot of water on top of them, that means that they're full over the brim, which means that the actual water level in the system is up to that level now. So, you know, a lot of people have water andor storm water in their basement. And you know, when you've got a manholes are searchcharging like in picture two, you know, that's on that's
3:29at State Street. I mean, that's how far back up it was.
3:33Well, I can tell you my house, it it wasn't leaving. I have the floor drains that go to the sewer.
3:39Yeah.
3:39And it just stopped leaving the house for an hour or so.
3:43Yeah.
3:43We got about 2 in.
3:45Yeah. because there's nowhere for it to there's nowhere for it to go.
3:48Uh that's just the way it goes. It's you know it's
3:51part of
3:53you know I mean it's it's it's a flood.
3:55Yeah.
3:55I mean that's what it is. You get streets are flooded. Um you know 8th Street was had almost 2 ft of water on the one side of it on the one side. Doesn't that sound funny? Uh but [clears throat] you know where I saw a picture of it. Um
4:12is picture 100 Dock Street or Mil Street?
4:15That's that's docking mill. That's the intersection.
4:18Oh, that's the inter.
4:20So, uh we all [clears throat] see what happens. So, what happens when you have these flows? You see in picture three, [snorts] there's browned off bricks and there's stones. This is this actually is coming from the collection system. So, there's stone sewers. There's brick sewers that are either on Columbia Street or Union Street or uh State Street that were ripped out and the what's part of the stony sore is now you know made it way to the plant. It uh it take the new took the barc that offite.
4:52You see picture a lot of smaller stones but these all came from the collection system. So, we [clears throat] know that in the next couple of months, we're going to start seeing a lot of sink holes throughout the city because now that the sewer has been compromised, the flows that go through it are going to grab more material. Trucks and cars drive over top of them, shakes it, that material falls into it, the sewer carries that away, too, and then eventually pops out in the road and then
5:21we go to work. So, um, this is actually the the new bar screen. And, you know, you can see there's probably five feet of just bricks and stones and rocks in there. We actually had to bring Earth Care in to to vac all of that out. And, you know, six is when it's all clean, it was put back into service. Uh, but it was a couple of days to get everything back in shape of that plant. Uh, as for water, we are the recipient of a $50,000 cyber security assessment grant. Um,
5:56that water plant was built in 2005. They started a design in 2003. Obviously, without being technology is basically the equivalent of uh two cans in a string. but for what's going on in today's arena. So what's going to happen is the grant uh the process will will p will hire one of those companies that's paid to hack into your system and expose any vulnerabilities [clears throat] and then once they identify those things we'll come up with another uh a plan to resolve them and that will be used to apply for an actual hardware grant uh from department of
6:46health or EFC to upgrade a lot of the um yeah I'll say the internal minations with the the PLC's and the computers the SCADA logistics of the operational control systems of the plant so that um just some maintenance stuff little clock is good but not when it's in the mixing chamber so uh you know they said use some of maintenance on it picture nine is what it's supposed to look like it's a nice even uh dispersal and then that goes into the filters and it helps stick
7:23to all the organics and remove them from from the water before it's the sand filters. uh you know another maintenance issue just a lot of people don't realize you know the chemicals that we use as they as they stay in tanks they tend to denature sometimes they'll precipitate um so it's some you know obviously this is a maintenance issue but this is an active compounds that if it stayed in solution you know what do I use for treatment you know so sometimes we we know things are
7:55going on because we'll have a need to up a chemical flow So anyway, this is what it is. Uh, also water breaks, which is not typical for this time of year. We've had three of them in the last month. There was one in the 400 block of Colombia. There was one in the 200 block of Colombia. And this is from Fourth and State. You can see what it looks like. Picture 12 of the stars. 13 was we begin excavation. We leave a lot of the water still flowing so that way you can actually see it coming into and it helps you locate the
8:33source where the main is and where the brake is. And then once it's we find out where that is, we bring extra pumps in to get it down. We couldn't get valves to hold completely um which is an issue with a lot of our intersection. A lot of our valves are just, you know, very old. Uh but anyway, picture 15 shows the the sleeves unrepaired. Right. So, you know, back to that rainstorm. [clears throat] When we had hurricane Irene, there was 7 in of rain. This water
9:08level, which was at 6 in above the spillway, was still in the green area. When we were at Irene, we were 20 in over. So it was near the top of the yellow area uh to a point where we actually had to take emergency action. We had to shut the plant off. We had to uh divert the supply lines going into the reservoir and we had to open blowoff valves below the reservoir to to drop the level. Um we didn't have anywhere near uh that with this storm. So, and I
9:40think as we all know now the it was really a valley close you were to the river the more annihilated you got and church is 8 miles away so it looks like they didn't get you know anywhere near the rain that we got here in the city but everything was fine with that uh we did a transfer resolution last month so we we do have we've engaged with collers uh to do the update our a bunch of our plans uh that were in need of update so
10:07I do have an inspection with the DEC see later this month. That's a bannual inspection of the the damw uh 18 is just a clay tile sewer. It's got a broken hub. If you look closely in the middle, you can see the the green from the die and that's where they probably use to identify the source because sometimes uh the void could be a lateral sometimes it could be on our main but this is ours and um you know so after the repair was made just an it is just showing I don't know if you can see but in the middle of the picture there's a on the front of the skid steer there's actually a mixing bucket. It's a It's basically a a concrete mixture
10:53that's like twice the capacity of like your average one. It runs off the hydraulics of the skid steer. They throw the bags of cement right into it. They have a tote with the water and then it has a little shoot and then they just drop it right in. That's how they because this wasn't a huge break. So without having to buy four yards of concrete, this is a way to, you know, efficiently, you know, do like a yard, a yard and a half or so. uh other DPW stuff, if you know the ADA,
11:22some of the uh sidewalks were degrading. This is that fourth instate near the parking lot where you know the city is the property owner. Um you know elsewhere, I mean really it's with [clears throat] that sidewalk law, we kind of lost our authority to make property owners uh fix in front of their house. So, um, anyway, but it's part of the city property, we take care of it.
11:49And would would you say that's overall like is there's a lot of city property and a lot of sidewalks adjacent to city properties?
11:56Well, yeah. Well, the city itself has
11:59Well, I mean, budget.
12:01It is what it is. We we get to what we we can do and you know, I mean, the city properties are
12:07they're not always on corners, right? So they're not going to have 88 ramps necessarily,
12:12but they have chicken.
12:13Yeah. I mean, we we brought in that that company that with the horizontal saw 10 years ago,
12:21and they addressed a lot of the, you know, the really bad ones. I mean, I just need an awful one out here in front of this building. When they did the ADA project, that tree was removed and, you know, I mean, nine out of 10 times you got a head traffic manager, there's a tree right next to it somewhere. So, um, but you know, I don't I mean I'm not aware of a whole lot of egregious property.
12:48I didn't know if it fell into like everyone's waiting for that.
12:51Well, we just do it because you know as a property owner something that's deficient to address it. Um I don't Oh, an upgrade in the crosswalk. That's the one, you know, addition to another example where uh Amtrak actually put that crosswalk in uh and then they said, "Oh, by the way, we're going to put it in once and we need a city to repair it." And you know that's what happens a lot of times when you get outside companies that want they'll do the initial contract pro initial
13:28contract but they don't want to do any of the followup or maintenance or upkeep. Um I I was up in harbor a couple weeks ago and I just like to find these little anecdotal things. Uh one is picture 22 is a clock similar to the rotary clock that is just like ours. It's tells time twice a day. Um, you know, apparently every once in a while question comes up as to why. Well, the rotary clock is it's got it's proprietary. I mean, it's like $10,000 worth of upgrades.
14:01You showed a bid a couple years ago.
14:03Yeah. So, I mean, you know, it is anytime anybody wants to budge money for it, we can hire the guy to do it. Also, you know, just kind of a thing, you know, there were complaints about the signs for parking in Hudson about they were too high, people couldn't see them. And, you know, here they've got them on top of a 12T pole just below the and people were still paying for parking. So, imagine that. Uh and that cemetery just more of the rain stuff. You know, we we used to take the hit for
14:34this overflow from the cemetery pond goes under 23 and then goes over to Greenport, which is called the Fris track and there's a goalie that runs through there and that would flood and they would, you know, they would for years say it was Hudson's problem with the cemetery. But we identified that, you know, the water really is coming off of Newman Road. And you can see this is Gully is flooded and the water is going across the street and it shortcuts short circuits through the cemetery. Then it
15:03runs along the cemetery road like a like a sloo way or you know the conduit and and that's where the water comes from. So into the goosebond
15:13into the goosebond and through the goosebond and the pipe around the road. The road didn't flood I don't think. And uh the only other thing I have which is a matter of housekeeping is uh I have a conflict next month. I will come in here on Monday the 14th. So uh just giving you a heads up if you want to look for another day or date that's fine. If you want to go on without me uh that is fine too. I don't know what we talking about. [laughter]
15:48So,
15:48okay. Let's see where you've already figured out what data cost.
15:56Okay. Um, can I update that, uh, Muhammad Brown is running is online in attendance? Uh, might as well start there. Do you have any questions, Ronnie?
16:11Uh, no, not at the moment. Okay,
16:16I do not have any questions.
16:19I have a few notes on it. Um, you I noticed that a lot of the the painting the striping happened uh recently. I saw some I could tell because some leash were painted or whatever on and so [clears throat] where railroad map okay I don't know [clears throat] that was done that was done back in the spring or something like that
16:46leaves don't move very much the program
16:48no I guess yeah under painted I don't know we had to do that because and I think I discussed it in the committee because Gavin put a parking lot on Railroad Avenue. And so what everybody thought was a one-way street, which was actually a two-way street that goes to DSS.
17:07Yeah.
17:08People just No, because nobody ever really came the other way, but the people from the parking lot were coming out onto Seventh Street. And so it people generally assumed it was one way, but it wasn't. So we had to put that yellow strip.
17:24Yeah. Yeah. Because there's houses there. Yeah, there's we you legally can't divert people on a private property. So even though the DSS is a county entity, it's it's still private property. So the road if you if you're have public access in, you have to give public access out.
17:46So there's there's one or two houses back there.
17:49Yeah.
17:50Oh, they I think everybody else just used to go through DSS and just do the loop. Yeah, I always do the loop but so one
17:58but now these guys were pulling out so that's why and I think we put the stripe down and uh the county the county is supposed to sign or something like that.
18:08Yeah. So, continuing with the themes of strip, you know, if if we are able to go forward with it, is there are there places that need design? Like I was thinking of um Fair View Avenue, if you were to say to fill in that quarter of a mile from Stewart's to the city line, does it need like an engineer to determine where the lines actually lie? You just got to I mean a minimum you know is 11 ft for a travel lane and then after that but you got to
18:42because there is parking along fairly there and
18:45there's parking I think only on one side of fair so you'd have to you'd have to make the line off center
18:53I guess that's what I'm asking is that something that you and whoever is doing it can determine or do you need design I don't think we need design.
19:03Okay, good answer. I just want
19:06I don't think either. [laughter]
19:11There's no accidents there. I saw all the accidents. There's not a single one of evidence.
19:17You're right.
19:18Okay. But we have to make a choice of how to determine and as far as right now, you know, I made the determination as MUTCD, but you know, when they're saying urban Ontarios, they're literally talking about Wolf Road, you know, Central Avenue. It's not, you know, it's not necessarily Fairview Avenue because it doesn't connect to any kind of these urban Ontarios connect to interstates or connect to other thorough affairs. And these are just roads. These are just city streets.
19:49Yeah.
19:50I'm just I'm looking to try to budget for it and see if we can do it.
19:56What line the whole line?
20:00Um so you've talked a lot about sewer relative to developing created a whole system to collect money for new sewer permits and expanding the sewer system. Is there any concern in your mind of the water system and with what you see on the developments going around new neighborhood uh possible HHA redevelopment possible affordable housing is there any concern in your mind relative to well we yes and no so and I think I've said we're going to be applying for a CVG grant for water supply. Um because our you know our
20:46water supply infrastructure is 125 years old. You know there's these are old cast pipes that were put in by farmers bringing it back in their hay wagons and they you know they use lead copper. We know that we have permission to divert 2.5 million gallons from the Taconic Creek and New Forge Road every day to the reservoir. But we know that if we draw 1.5 million gallons a day of raw water consistently that there's no water going over the spillway and without any fancy you know mechanical devices or flow
21:30meters there should be another million gallons going over the spillway. So we know that at somewhere in that 8 miles something's going on either and you have you know these mains they go under creeks you know under moving bodies of water. So if there's a break there they'll never see it because and we had we had one 20 years ago and the cloud of crook on stone road on this side and there was no water going to the plant that took them two days to find way to break was. So, we know that we have a
22:03plant that's designed for three million gallons a day, but if we were to draw the requisite flows for that, we would in theory we wouldn't get the flow that we needed from the forge to the reservoir. So, we would eventually start dropping the reservoir down and you know [clears throat] it would be a zero at some point there'd be no water.
22:25Yeah.
22:26Uh without a supplemental supply. Now we have a supplemental supply which is considered emergency backup supply which is the quarry but that requires the operation of the pump station and also that quarry water is not the same chemistry as
22:44you know you know I mean there's more than enough water there but it's its chemistry is it's hard you know it's it's it's it's running through limestone and and so um you know if so There is that. But the other part is the limitation is right now at about 1.5 million gallon is about the maximum we can physically get to the water plant because so we've had like last summer we had a dry summer and everybody who moved here from Brooklyn's got a garden and and they keep their gardens you know and
23:22we know that we couldn't keep the tank full and the tank and was maxed out at mill and half gallons. How can a 3 million a gallon day plant be maxed out at a million and a half gallons? The answer is because right now the water comes to us by gravity and the differential head will only provide a maximum uh flow. So we have a pump station that is in click uh it's actually in green work but we call it cloud pump station that has these 200
23:52horsepower pumps. There's two of them and then they could physically pump water, suck water from the reservoir. But as I said, we've got a limiting factor. We know there's supply given to the reservoir. And secondly, these 200 horsepower pumps are rated for 3 million gallons a day each. If the plant only needs a million and a half, that's a million and a half, which is going to turn into pressure. that pump is going to be pushing and there's a valve at the water plant that's going to be closing to limit the
24:24supply and you're going to have this valve and this pump pushing on 150y old section of pipe from the Clark Creek to upman avenue and eventually it is going to blow it apart. So we can't use we really can't we have the pumps we really can't use them because we don't have a way to regulate their control. So part of the study that I've described uh before is to install a VF3 BFD or variable frequency drive basically a motor controllable
24:59that would allow the the 200 horsepower motor to run at 15% or 20% to to increase the flow but not cause any damage to the main and or the plant itself. So, um, you know, that's that's one of the aspects that will be researched in the grant. Um, you know, it was
25:21awarded
25:22it hasn't even yet we haven't even finished the application. We have to do a public hearing. Um, but we've been providing other paperwork and having meetings with OC because OCR likes to have pre meetings before you even make your bid and it's open bid. There's no deadline for it. It's one of those open enrollment. It's open enroll, you know. So whenever we get it to them, but they like to have these meetings before cuz they they want to get a a pristine product if you will that you know they know that they can advance through them.
25:54So uh
25:55so if if that to happen feel pretty good about handling.
25:59Yeah. But given our current conditions I mean you know I mean the tank's full you know we even even when it's like drought conditions it's still you know it's pretty close to full. It's not what it says, but you only have a two-day supply, you know. Um, you know, I don't
26:22I'm not really start doing some math on who's could be 600 people in added to um
26:30Yeah, we have could be three or 400 added to uh the South Bay.
26:35That's a lot more people. I just
26:37Yeah. Yeah. I mean you're so but you you know the reality is you're talking these projects are 20,000 30,000 gallons a day. I mean
26:47okay that's no idea.
26:49Yeah. You know we're I mean the plant's putting out a million to a million and a half gallons a day. So, you know, it would have to be some This was a discussion that, you know, everybody's the the fish farm came to Hudson for water about five different times was their spat with Greenport and um you know, so we did a hard look at cuz you know, they were looking for like a half a million gallons a day.
27:17Well, they would pay for it. Yeah. I mean, so you know, 20,000 gallons a day, 30,000 gallons a day for these development projects, not not overwhelming really. Not concerning. A half a million gallons a day, you know, that would that would be something that would need some serious uh infrastructure protections just to make sure that we could get the flow to cover our needs, you know, as well as uh their needs. But in the end, uh, they're not in our water district and, uh, anything that was going to go forward required there the, you know, the sign
27:56off of Greenport and Greenport didn't approve it. So, okay. Um, so I went to see or reach out the Nick Fox, but I thought that things like um sidewalk use by contractors would go through the code enforcement, but it sounds like it goes through your department.
28:20Well, I mean, let's be yes. When you say goes through there's there's a sidewalk permit, and let's just say what it is. It's basically a release. That's all it ever was. The contractor and or the property owner fill it out. They say it's a two-eek permit and they say, "I agree to hold the city harmless. I know I'm not supposed to obstruct it or I'm supposed to make the same thing." But it's basically I'm going to be doing work on the sidewalk and if somebody trips and falls on the sidewalk, I you
28:52know, as property owner, I'm responsible for the sidewalk and I hold the city. So that's you know the you know it's not like a you know other permits.
29:03Okay. So can I explain and I'm not hugely concerned about these two but they're good examples of fourth and Warren hotel and the Crescent garage.
29:15Well the Fourth and Warren Hotel is they have a building right for construction. And so, you know, typically when Craig Hey, who was CEO, Craig He was basically the any any sidewalk was was included in their constru building permit. It was the the building permit. The sidewalk permit that I do is for Sally J homeowner, you know, who's doing work and repairing the sidewalks. If it's part of a capital project, a commercial project, it's, you know, whatever they have a detail or a temporary plan or they want to, you know, that's going to something that might even been approved through site plan review through the planning board, you know, because the planning board does have
30:01no no impetus to stop like they they just keep they they block off the sidewalk. They they poured the sidewalk. they have some facade work to do, but there's no no urgency for them to finish and take this take the fence away from someone. But I and so I think as a there's this gap between you and Nick like I he understood that you had permit that or the department your department
30:27right that
30:28and he's and so he doesn't well what we
30:33and I don't know why I say I'm not sure why it was referred to me to review because it was clearly part of a of a construction project
30:42seems like it should be
30:43that was and it had gone through site plan review and the the planning you know board commission you know has up to you know I have to the curb in between the curbs and the planning board has from the curbs in
30:57okay
30:57you know so why that you know why that came to me as something that they wanted me to sign off on but that's you know somebody made the decision that they wanted me to review and sign off on so
31:11so those projects and those what I'm describing is really just part of their building permit
31:16yes extension they're building on there.
31:19So, who who's enforcing that then?
31:22Well, you're a good one to ask since you build in the city. You understood.
31:26Well, so I went to I went to parking bureau and they have um
31:30that's where we fill it out. They hold the permit.
31:32Well, they hold a permit if you want to put out a dumpster.
31:35Yeah.
31:37Or if you're a tradesman.
31:39Yeah.
31:40No sidewalks for you. No, we're if I'm blocking the sidewalk.
31:45That's DBW.
31:47I fill that out at DBW.
31:50$25.
31:51Yes. $25 two weeks.
31:53Yeah.
31:54Well, okay. So, I should be calling DBW to follow up on those then. Um just right for example to your fourth and Orange on the like at 24 Union Street. The Spark of Hudson has had that sidewalk closed for two years. Two full years.
32:19Oh, which one I'm talking about?
32:20So I'm assuming they're filling it out weeks.
32:25You see? Let's just have it for example. They're in violation. How am I going to
32:32There's no violation for it. It's not
32:34there's nothing in the code that says anything about getting a permit from it's there's like the appendices are in there. They say what the mixes are and whatever else, but there's like this there's a great will. So we just have we should definitely be adding some language to that permit in the code that says something of termination.
32:58Yeah, that's one
33:00parked on the sidewalk on union for
33:05and I think you can re I think people could renew. Yeah,
33:09but but they have they would have to do it and then it would give the city some chance to like look at it
33:15if the there's got to be some No, I mean look at there's got to be some um recourse for when the permit expires.
33:24Well, I think
33:26the No, the sidewalk. Why not? Why would there?
33:31You just said two weeks.
33:33I mean, that's what it just says. It's a it's a that's one of those old Chinese ideals, you know, with a the carbon copy, a circle.
33:42I think the reason code enforcement makes the most sense. They're the ones out there seeing it. You're not going to know that someone has a permit or the enforcement or the checking on it or the
33:53that should definitely be code. Yeah, because there was there was a similar discussion that took place in the building below um your your where Mrs. and and you know everybody's number one was bragging about how come the they had a sidewalk permit and they didn't renew it or whatever and the side was closed. At that point, Craig Hank said they have an ongo they have a building permit for a year and the sidewalk is part of that building permit. There a goal and you know they had it benched off and they worked it.
34:29But like I said,
34:32okay. Um, so it's going to have information out of you. I've got information under the parking bureau. This um
34:42Well, the parking bureau is on street parking. That's a That's just for a parking spot. That's not putting a dumpster equipment on the sidewalk. That's putting
34:53You're absolutely
34:54That's just on on the city street. That's right. And then they have um a permit for a tradesman for the year to pay $150 to park at any meter.
35:05And that's supposed to be also because there there used to be like one or two guys that would put their on the sidewalk.
35:12They weren't supposed to do that. They were supposed to occupy parking space or something that
35:18because the other part of it is as again is we're losing parking revenue in those spots. They're probably at least six. There probably at least three on each block on each side.
35:32Yeah, I would say at least at least maybe I mean
35:37um I mean that's you know that's that's a decades old discussion.
35:42Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you got these guys paying $150 permit and you got a brick and mortar place, you know, paying uh $1,500 a month in property taxes $2,000 a month in property taxes.
35:55So, I've got more work to do, but that's something I'm interested in in trying to get better and not pursuing it through DPW, but pursuing more through that. You wouldn't you wouldn't mind giving up that? No, I don't. Like I said, it's it was one of those weird, you know, because we had a you know, we had a guy who had a contractor on Union Street and did a crappy job and um the property owner wanted us to go after the contractor for doing and we're like,
36:29hold on a second. But you're right, the contractor, you know, we gave the contractor the specs of what we require, you know, but you know, we're not indemnifying and we're not, you know, we're not enforceable body after somebody can do the shotty work
36:42just fail inspection. So along a similar line of thought, who what department is responsible for sidewalk repairs if the homeowner decides to repair their sidewalk or change it decoratively or something like that?
36:59Well, if they want to change it, if they want to do a new sidewalk right now, they don't get per months. They want to do it in something other than concrete, which is the code. and Jeff Baker added those lines a line that says or elder material approved by the department or the commission or something like that. So Tyler has the right if somebody wants to put papavers down or blue stone Tyler has the right to grant that exception. It's in the code.
37:27And who is Tyler?
37:29Tyler's commission division of public works.
37:33Oh, correct.
37:34Yeah.
37:34Okay, great. So to do that they're coming upstairs or they're going to
37:39well they would have anytime somebody wants to do something like that we make them you know put together it's not a submitt but
37:47something similar in writing that would say this is the this is the design layout this would be the material it hasn't happened yet by the way just so you know
37:55oh well because I know two spot places on Washington Street that did it last week
38:02there was a person
38:03100%
38:04one of the streets that has the most of them.
38:07And two,
38:08did they just slate or neighbors?
38:10Uh, mix.
38:12Yeah. Well, I mean, there was a person who
38:14there were three one did slate about three months ago and the other one the other two happened last month,
38:20right?
38:20Right on the first block of Washington.
38:22Yeah. And there was one on if you don't have a code section, if you don't have a code officer for DPW, then this should be under DPW. Going out to check,
38:34right? We don't have enforcement authority.
38:36Yeah. You have no enforcement, right? We can we can deny like when it comes to like the water and sewer, you know, we can deny a connection
38:44or we can terminate a connection if it's considered to be public self HSW and things like that. So, right now we have people not in compliance because they put in their own papers without approval because they didn't clear if you didn't say anybody's submitted a request. These were finished a few days ago.
39:04That's been where do you want to go from there? Like there's got to be something that there's no recourse for someone to make it less safe for the public. So do you want
39:16there is there is code about tripod about quarter inch
39:19there is but it's no
39:20if you're using a quarter inch problem.
39:24Yeah these are definitely not in compliance
39:30but there's no code enforcement. Well, are they are they poorly installed? Are they all jaggedy?
39:35And they're well, one of them is pitched to the of the sidewalk and the other one um there are too many the gaps are very large between the papers. So, it's going to [clears throat] eventually become a different level,
39:52you know.
39:53So, it just doesn't
39:54I would argue that that he could go give a he could give a violation because it's in the code,
39:59right? So that would be that would be negative.
40:01Yeah. I mean it's just like when they talk about the the the [clears throat] tree policy, right? And they said DPW, you know, like how you how are we going to be the tree police? You know, we're going to come in and take leaf blowers and blow people's faces. Like get away from that tree, right? You know, you can't touch that tree. I mean, we don't have badges. We don't have enforcement authority. We're not, you know,
40:25would you ever read if someone did a driveway cut and never put in a sidewalk? They just had their gravel driveway and their gravel driveway just goes all the way to the street. So, there's impactual interruption. It could be. I don't know if that's Is that still something that the public works board needs to handle or
40:44No, no, that's No, because the sidewalks and the curb cut they have to like a curve cut. If somebody needs a curve cut, they have to get that approval from Department of Public Works.
40:53This is probably done a long time ago, but there's there gravel driveway and the side cuts right across the sidewalk.
41:01The sidewalk was concrete.
41:03Sidewalk's concrete gets their driveway, skips 10 ft. Yeah. Well, there's no there's no there's specifications for the depressed curb between the sidewalk and the curb. There's no specifications for what takes place on the inside of the sidewalk on their property, which was an issue raised with the one across from the kids who paved their front yard, right? There's nothing that says you can't pave your front yard.
41:33Yep. Um, okay. Thank you. You good?
41:40Yes.
41:41Questions if you start in house.
41:44You want to keep looking go Lloyd talk for a minute?
41:47Oh, yeah. Yeah.
41:49Just quick question that'll be the water consumption. What's the range on on a a day high which 1.2 or 1.5 million a day?
41:59We average about 1.2. Low would be about 1.1. high would be about 1.4 1.5.
42:05So it's a pretty consistent rate.
42:07Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Water is very consistent.
42:10It would be it would be something very unique to have um you know sewer sewer are reactive. You know they're reacting to storm flows and things like that. So they're very volatile with the flows but water is
42:28consumption is very steady
42:29very very steady. The water the chemistry doesn't change. The process doesn't change. You know, they change the filters. They move them up and down.
42:41Up down a couple gallons a minute. That's
42:45all right. Uh if you're good, I'm going to go to question online. Uh, I had one uh reminder for before the fall for a street light on Lower Union 22 Union. Nope. 121 Union.
43:05Okay.
43:07It has not been installed.
43:12Is there a new poll?
43:13The poll went up like February, March.
43:17Was there an old pole with a light on it? Yeah, it's still strapped to it.
43:23Oh, the light is strapped to it.
43:24Yeah, at the bottom.
43:25Yeah, they don't. Okay, they don't tell us.
43:27No, I know he's [clears throat]
43:32just email it so that way I can send it off on
43:34Perfect.
43:34When we have Scotty around doing lights, we'll just send over that one.
43:38Thank you.
43:39Yeah. Okay, looks like we have one question online. Uh, go ahead, Bill. Mr. Houston, are you online? What's the best question ever?
44:03You should get him shirt.
44:09All right. No other questions. Um I guess uh I guess we'll adjourn. All right. Great [clears throat] meeting. I don't think we need motions from committee.

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