County Government and Public Works Committees

1. 0:00I want to bring the county government meeting to order. First on the agenda tonight is human resources.
2. 0:06She doesn't like me. I just I wouldn't put her at the top.
3. 0:11Thank you. [laughter]
4. 0:13These are these annual boring resolutions. I'm one year 14 or 15 presenting these to you guys. Okay. So, this is every year we are responsible for renewing our contracts um with our dental and our [laughter]
5. 0:28favor. Perfect. That's good. Yeah, that was
6. 0:35Michael, before you leave, I do have a question though. Um, I think last year we had to get dental insurance through the county and you switched me from or Delta Dental to the new one.
7. 0:45Yes.
8. 0:45And I think it's horrible. So, can we go back to the other one or
9. 0:50do we have a choice or is that just because of different people?
10. 0:52They covered all mine.
11. 0:55Says Delta. No, Delta is a negotiated one only through but that's just um just one of our administration is right against administr and I'm sorry for that.
12. 1:09Well, you know, both my wife and I, you know, rejects, you know, I mean they said you can't cover this and they used to, you know,
13. 1:16if there's anything that we can assist you with, don't hesitate. Um
14. 1:20I just figured it was a different plan. Well, but don't hesitate [clears throat] to call our office because if we need to Sometimes you may get a customer service person who is incorrect and sometimes you may get a dental office representative who's incorrect. Okay.
15. 1:32So Lori has no problem. She will call any dentist. She'll call Anthony so we can help let us know.
16. 1:37All right. Thank you. Yeah.
17. 1:38No, I just saw the names.
18. 1:42Okay. [laughter]
19. 1:45Um ironically is also our Medicare advantage. He's the only
20. 1:50[laughter]
21. 1:52Thank you. Second. All in
22. 1:53favor. I [clears throat]
23. 1:59Oh, okay. Good. So, I wish Jim was here so he could tell me what my final uh allocation in the budget was. I wanted to say it was probably $75,000 because it was down from like 90, but he had adjusted. This $50,000 is in reference to the summer youth labor program that is through our department. And remember the point one allocation comes through summer youth and then they pay everybody and then we give it back to them.
24. 2:23Perfect.
25. 2:23Thank you.
26. 2:24All in favor?
27. 2:26I will say one thing because she's sitting here. Um we have been asked by several of the departments that if there was money that was left over if maybe the kids come back in December because one of the departments DSS had a young individual from the town of Kanan. They love I mean we had some really really great youth this year. Um and just a couple of kids really want to make a difference. So it was a good program.
28. 2:52So this is Don Evans. This is the standard workday for establishing for the retirement the ROA the 247. All
29. 3:01in favor I car.
30. 3:06Okay. And then this is Yep. Same things establishing standard case for employees.
31. 3:14Second. All
32. 3:14in favor?
33. 3:17I think that's housekeeping done. It's always a pleasure to see you.
34. 3:22Thank you.
35. 3:23Have a nice You can take the rest of the year off. [laughter]
36. 3:30See you later. Ready? Yes. Okay. [clears throat] I just have one resolution as to appoint a member to the Environmental Management Council to represent the town of Hillsdale, Mary King. Move it.
37. 3:51Second.
38. 3:51All in favor?
39. 3:53I thank you. Thank you. [laughter]
40. 4:00You're up.
41. 4:08Well, I I just want to say that I was very pleased with the turnout that we had of housing and library board members at our first meeting after the summer uh vacation. uh to have 11 members participating was really you know a great joy to me. Anyway uh and we discussed as you can see the Richardson Hall film hunt situation.
42. 4:35Uh originally when uh I spoke with Galvin um it was going to be probably three months before any of the residents could be back. I know I shared that information with the chairman. Um but uh there was a meeting of the minds and they were able to fasttrack it a bit because uh uh uh the electrical inspectors and the uh code enforcement inspector uh came to terms where they could uh do these uh units on a one by one basis and get gradually get these uh tenants back into their unit units.
43. 5:18out of the 20 right now, there are 18 that are back. Uh there are two still pending. Um one of them is he had a um housing choice voucher and he lost that housing choice voucher a year or more ago because he spent long term in the hospital and a rehab facility and lost his um voucher at that time. didn't reapply and so forth.
44. 5:48Um they are he's going to go back into his same unit eventually, but it will be a projectbased voucher rather than a housing choice voucher. Projectbased vouchers, you may know, go with the unit, not with the uh not with the individual. But uh nevertheless, he has to apply uh uh and has and has applied to section 8 to prove his need for the assistance for the projectbased vouchers.
45. 6:24So that is that is pending. He currently is in the Galvin Civic Motel and he seems fairly comfortable there, but just anxious to get back. Um couple of holdups with section section 8 on his approval where you know some of the documents that he had in his house uh they were able to find and uh satisfy his uh the requirement for his social security card. Um they also asked for his birth certificate which he knows in is in the house but not sure where that is because of the rehab renovations and everything else. So
46. 7:06but the building is ready for him to come back.
47. 7:08Yeah. The building is ready for him to come back. Yeah. Good.
48. 7:11And then the other the other case is um the building is not ready because then they need more extensive work in that one. So there are only two that and and that person is with family. So that's uh not a question of where he's staying. Um with regard to renters's insurance, I know it sounds very harsh, but in cases like this, generally the tenant is responsible for all of their alternate uh uh living expenses and also for any damages to their personal property even though they feel they were not at all. But that's kind of the way the landlord and tenants laws go.
49. 7:54So, um, of of the 20, there were only two that had renters insurance. So, um, I guess it remains to be seen how that will be settled up and so forth. Um, probably through the DSS, I would think. Uh so um that that basically covers pretty much the uh Richardson Hall.
50. 8:21Can I just ask a question before we move on?
51. 8:23Pardon me.
52. 8:23May I ask a question before you move on to something else? So do they ever determine the responsibility for the water leak?
53. 8:30Um, of course that that could be determined uh naturally, Brenda, if uh they want to take an action that there was negligence for something like that, uh they could uh possibly get some reimbursement from that would have to, you know, take it to a court situation. Um,
54. 8:56thank you.
55. 8:57You're welcome. Also um with regard to um uh the Healy Homes project um we've been following that simply because projects of this type are normally you know they may be plagued by the nimi which means you know not in my backyard sort of theory. So uh and that could be discrimination. Um also uh the uh DOJ, the Department of Justice and also HUD, the Department of urban renew urban uh housing says that uh they have the right to overrule your local land use uh laws uh through the uh supremacy clause in the constitution.
56. 9:46So they they monitor land use and zoning very carefully in situations like this. They can challenge uh the municipality or they can even override the rules. So um fortunately we haven't seen any of that going on and uh you know it's been going through the planning process has been taking a long time because of of certain you know approval requirements. The last of which I guess was the uh Department of Environmental Conservation looking for that rain water and wastewater runoff.
57. 10:27So um so that's that's uh where we are at that. I think they had a meeting with the Health and Human Services Committee yesterday.
58. 10:40I'm not privy to what happened there, but that uh you know
59. 10:44it was approved. They were approved. Well, that's that's good news.
60. 10:49Is that is that project to be built or is that a renovation project?
61. 10:54Uh, it's to be built. I know it's all single. It's going to be a single unit occupancy.
62. 11:0026 units.
63. 11:01Yeah, 26 units, single unit occupancy. And the reason why these can be subject to civil rights uh laws or fair housing laws is because many of the people that have that need are protected classes under the fair housing laws. So uh basically that's uh you know u why they look so carefully at this and I can tell you there are many cases where municipalities get in trouble because of uh concentration and and also because of the u
64. 11:43I don't think any of these hurdles on that project are local. They're all from New York State DEC and
65. 11:49and the health department regulations on you know DEC oversees their wastewater treatment plant and things like that.
66. 11:56Yeah. So the last I heard they had cleared that D situation.
67. 12:01I have a question. Are they in front of the planning board now?
68. 12:04They're they're in [clears throat] front of the green planning board now. Yes. Yeah.
69. 12:09Well, we've already signed off on we already have a contract with them.
70. 12:14Well, they approved if it gets built. We don't have a contract. It's just
71. 12:21it's a promise to do it if they build it.
72. 12:23Okay. Well, I don't see
73. 12:27And of course, the project across the way, the 154 units, they were subject to pretty much the same thing, and they were not uh, you know, in the same category as the transitional housing situation. So you kind of compare to see if if uh you know one is getting more of the you know the crit criticisms or whatever. So that's that's the and and as far as our um we also uh had a preliminary discussion about our landlord tenants rights form and our school poster contest because even though their uh their events planned for April of 2027, they require a lot of advanced planning getting in touch with school administrators and getting them on board with that kind of lining up uh panels for the tenant landlord rights form, that type of thing.
74. 13:28So, uh and if you can look, uh at the housing calls received, those are the kind of things that uh that I really do get uh involved in to a great degree. Um so, and uh I try to respond as quickly as possible. I've said this a hundred times that uh the anxiety that people have when they're going through an eviction process, you can't let them cause weight because it's just a lot on their their mind and so forth.
75. 14:04What I'm finding though, and it's you know, it's easy to say, "Oh, well, you've got to get an attorney." But I can assure you that those that I deal with are in no way of able to afford an attorney. Legal aid is up to their uh eyeballs and alligators, I guess. And uh and so all they can do is give advice. Uh and uh to get an attorney in court with these folks is is tough. So, um, that's that's something we hope to can be addressed because that that is a a real problem. So, do
76. 14:49you have any anecdotal information about homes? What percentage of renters rent includes?
77. 14:58I don't uh have have anything to go with that. I know you know that that becomes when when u you have your seniors being reertified, it becomes a a situation whether they have that expense or whether they don't have that expense. I get that sometimes with seniors, but uh uh that that I I don't know. I could try to maybe try to find out something about
78. 15:26I'm just really concerned about pin oil deliveries last week in Kanan were $5 a gallon. So when you're looking at three last year they were paying 365 375 now it's $5 thinking about what does that do for the landlord and the tenant. So
79. 15:44I do have speaking of that that fuel oil or kerosene of course kerosene uh your um um manufactured home auto fence I'll call them they formerly mobile home parks but they they heat with kerosene and uh um I know that there's been a push on getting um these folks to ensure their oil tank tanks because fuel tanks because of of you know the problems that they can have. Um, matter of fact, I got one call just recently. Uh, this mobile home occupant, he had a spill back in 2019. And, uh, the DEC came and they had to clean it up and so forth. And he is being sued now by the state of New York for recovery of the cost here in 2026. Uh
80. 16:49almost your home owners insurance almost never covers. No. Um
81. 16:53are they targeting manufacturing? I'm sorry.
82. 16:57Sure.
83. 16:57Are they targeting specifically manufactured homeowners for ensuring this or is this
84. 17:02It's really It's really the the park owners that are pushing for this
85. 17:08uh they want the liability. park owners are pushing uh the uh as a matter of fact I would say it's more of a requirement than pushing for it to get uh you know the insurance to ensure against you know
86. 17:26so they double the rents and then they make everyone insure their banks [laughter]
87. 17:31well I'm in a mobile home park they can't raise the rent there is a cap of 3% they can't raise the the uh the uh grant more than 3% unless they can prove they're going to do infrastructure and improvements to the park that will warrant them to get uh an increase over 3% and then they can't go over 6%. So but the uh you know the the leasing the land there can challenge a park owner if they raise it for more than more than 3%.
88. 18:11Is there a timeline for those improvements that they're promising to make to be done? Well, you know, it's a good question because, you know, I I think I think what has to happen is the the those who are leasing the lots have to get together and challenge it with the home and community renewal attorney general's office. they so there's no you know if they say they're doing it and they're not doing it then the the occupant should really challenge the you know I just asking because we had someone come into our building department with that very same complaint they promised you know they requiring these additional rents that were way more than 3%
89. 19:00they should they should challenge that through with the home community renewal because they control that kind of thing and here again if somebody has a complaint to home and community renewal of any kind, whether it's the warranty of habitability or anything like that. The um attorney general will try to mediate the problem, but they right away tell the people, "But we can't represent you in court." So, you know, it's it's a tough situation getting getting it uh attorneys involved. So, thanks, Bill.
90. 19:39Chairman, can I ask one more question? Uh, sir, a long time ago, Chris Brown was able to get us the number of rentals currently in Columbia County, where they're located, and how much are considered affordable, 30% of income to like 60 80% AMI. Do you have access to that kind of data? I don't but I can tell you that the um feds and and the state look at every mobile home dweller as affordable housing. So you know that's follow [clears throat] to refresh that
91. 20:17some of that's available through that new organization that Chris Brown works in progress. They have some pretty good online reports that I don't know how fresh [clears throat] they are now, but you know, but they give you pretty good statistics in there county by county.
92. 20:32Let's give my county resources the first.
93. 20:38Yes.
94. 20:40So, the first thing I have is a resolution uh seeking authorization to enter into an agreement with the city of Hudson for a 2029 reassessment project. [laughter]
95. 20:55Have a motion.
96. 20:56That would be the fight of the centurion.
97. 20:57I'll second it then.
98. 20:59You don't have to get involved. [laughter]
99. 21:01You could say I didn't vote for that.
100. 21:04I have a first second. All in favor? You can tell. Carry.
101. 21:07Thank you. Um just a few updates for you. Um I did attend a Nissa seminar uh webinar the other day and they had the um the legal council for the VA state VA um attend and speak about the new 100% disabled veterans exemption. Um so it's there is a lot of clarity around it now.
102. 21:27It doesn't take effect until October even though it's already been signed. Uh so it will be in effect for um for us to start considering um adoption of of this. It is a local option so every taxing jurisdiction would have to adopt it. They did take out the and clauses and now there are clauses. So it is um more there are more people that will be eligible for the exemption. Um basically it's 100% disabled or um permanently totally disabled or um um I don't have the other two. There are two other ones. Um, and they did also take out the requirement for needing the um the adaptive housing grant that's been removed, which was the most restrictive requirement.
103. 22:15Um, we I so happened to be at the um at the the senior day today with um Rachel Hamilton and she received an email from state um that we have currently I think it was 175 veterans that are qualified but they're but we don't know if all of them own property. So, we're trying to secure a list of names so we can scrub it against the tax roles and see exactly who who owns property and then um do it do an impact analysis for everyone. Um but you know that's not a huge number of people but it is it is
104. 23:01100% exemption correct. Um,
105. 23:03but we also certainly with the senior and lowinccome exemptions we and the firefighters exemptions. There are a lot of people that are eligible that don't apply. [clears throat]
106. 23:12This is true.
107. 23:14Um, I don't know that you see that as
108. 23:17frequently with the with the veterans because they seem to be a little bit more on top of it. But um you know with the seniors um jumping a little bit ahead but with the seniors at senior day today um there was each year I have several but there was at least five this year that um didn't know anything about the senior exemption and qualified. So um you know it is uh it is important for us to attend things like that and talk about it.
109. 23:42Um my one of my primary things there was obviously to talk about the the increased income because there were some people that were weren't eligible that were thinking they might become eligible because of the increased income that were there um today. And the other option, the other thing I wanted to talk about, which transitioning into my next piece, is I I'm believe the last time we changed income limits, um there was a postcard sent out to um seniors in um in regards to this. Um so it might be something that we look into doing again. Uh I wonder the state did that. I thought the state did that one time.
110. 24:22I think we did. I'm not sure.
111. 24:26I thought this state required that we do it. I thought the challenge ended up paying. It was like 1,200 bucks in our town to do that.
112. 24:34Yeah. I'm not sure.
113. 24:38I Yeah, I was so I'm not exactly certain how that how that hashed out, but we definitely want to consider I would think we'd want to consider something to educate the public of the new income limits. Um, sorry.
114. 24:53Couldn't we could we put something an insert into the those appropriate tax bills when they go out in January rather than having to do another mailing?
115. 25:03There's limited things you can do with the [clears throat] tax bill, right?
116. 25:06But this is tax bill. This is tax related.
117. 25:09I think our assessor put things like that on the floor.
118. 25:13That's why I thought the did it.
119. 25:16Yeah. That was for the town exemption, but it does for the town exemption.
120. 25:20I mean, mail is so expensive now. Anything we can do to keep the mailing cost down.
121. 25:25We can explore options um and see what exactly what can be done. I know that um I know that villages put things in with their in their tax bills, but I you know, pretty sure all the town and county bills are stuffed and sealed. Um, so that might be a little complex to do. Um, but we'll it's something I
122. 25:49thought there was some kind of regulations against you couldn't stuff certain things in the tax bill. I don't know about what to
123. 25:56this may be okay because it's related, but there are
124. 25:59there are definitely
125. 26:01rents all that stuff.
126. 26:06When when's the time table for the Hudson's reassessment?
127. 26:10It would be 2029.
128. 26:122029. Correct.
129. 26:15South Carolina on that.
130. 26:17You [clears throat] can move out by then.
131. 26:20Yeah. So, so we would
132. 26:22probably look at um data collection in 2020 beginning in 2028 and then the reval would would take place in 29 the actual roll out of the new assessments. Um
133. 26:35the other thing um scars are up again this year and um the assessors reported a lot of um concerns with the scars. Uh we did that was also part of the Nissa um the Nissa's webinar. Uh so there was a gentleman that um works with assessors on being able to evaluate um the quality of a SCAR um petition. And so I'm gonna ask them, we're going to be setting up an assessor's association meeting in October. Um probably later enough late in October. Uh and we're going to try to get that gentleman to attend at least virtually to talk about it. Um also we're going to try to get this star unit to attend because there's a lot of concern about the state managing STAR.
134. 27:22We had a lot of seniors call a lot I had several of them today um where they lost their star exemptions because of their houses in a trust and they removed it the state removed it because of a res residency thing because but that shouldn't have been um
135. 27:41which is something a local assessor would have known.
136. 27:43Correct. Right. Right.
137. 27:45That's been going on for a couple years. That's
138. 27:48and unfortunately you know at this point now the way it h the way it works is the state sends out a star report and mandates the assessors to remove the exemptions and then basically then the assessor has to send that taxpayer to the state to agree
139. 28:02to find out why.
140. 28:04And now now the state started sending um notices to the assessors as of last week. This this exemption needs to be reinstated. when we've already gotten several through email on exemptions need to be reinstated. So, um we're hoping to that someone from the start unit will attend that meeting and and be able to talk more about it. Um
141. 28:27do we know if the percentage of increases in the SCAR hasn't what percent if the percentage of increase has been associated with those downstate firms that are out?
142. 28:38Absolutely. Yeah, that's exactly affected by that in the county. Yeah,
143. 28:43there's probably there wasund 160 people on that webinar that I I was on and probably 75% of them are affected by that. Um
144. 28:57because most of those are not panning out. I mean, most of them are not valid. They're not getting reductions.
145. 29:04So that that's true. Some some of them are. Um what you're seeing though with that with that firm is they'll submit the request to the bar. Um and then they will ch they will some of the comps they use for that request to the board of assessment [clears throat] review won't even be valid sales, right?
146. 29:22They'll just assign arbitrary sales numbers to family transfers. Um and then they'll change the comps and when they file the SCAR and then put in the real stuff. But it takes work for all the assessors to compete to deal with it and
147. 29:38it's frustrating hearing officers. I understand there could education too.
148. 29:45Well, that's true because there are several that were dismissed by the board of assessment review that shouldn't have been heard but theess the star hearing officers allowed to be heard.
149. 29:56Yeah. Um so that is also um one of the one of the things that uh the gentleman the Scott that um was talking at the Nissa seminar uh reinstated the or reinforce the fact that you need to lobby your your state um state officials, state um elected officials to really take a hard look at the SCAR process. And um you know obviously it has to be done at that level,
150. 30:26right?
151. 30:27Um it's something that really should be considered. Um sorry,
152. 30:32sorry. Circling back to lowinccome, senior, low-inccome, disabled, and senior. Um I did share with the local laws as well as all supervisors received an email with a draft. So if they wanted to adopt it in their own town, they could they could tweak it. um to make it fit their needs. Um and the um I do know that there are several towns that do have uh public hearings already established. [clears throat] So just make sure if your town is adopting it that you let me know and make sure I get it copy shared so I can put it on file. Um and then my last thing is that um the first full week in October I'll be away at conference. I do uh up in Lewis County that's my annual director's conference and I do know that they will be talking more about the um disabled the disabled veterans exemption up there so I'll be have even more information on it to share
153. 31:30when you say there public hearings scheduled in several towns are they adopting the county's legislation or are they looking at it with fresh eyes
154. 31:38the from the ones that I'm aware of are adopting it as the county did we are excited And we get a schedule one in October and I plan on adopting just what the county did.
155. 31:52And are you also doing the exact
156. 31:58That's all I have.
157. 32:00No, you're not.
158. 32:01Hey, that's
159. 32:01I I got time. I got no place to go but another meeting. So, when you do reval, what do you do when you're not allowed on private property? When they don't allow you on a premise? Well, at this point, if it if were refused, um then we would notify the assessor um unless unless we feel that we can we can obtain adequate data verification through aerial uh means using using Eagle View basically. So you can use aerial. The reason I asked, we were a company that does aerial with drones and they can come in and do it on a computer thing and it's amazing what they can do by flying over somebody's house and compare it to what it was if there's something that has gone on like they put a pool in or whatever.
160. 32:47Yeah.
161. 32:47It adds it up and it's very quick.
162. 32:50I mean it's not like going out like you said you're going door todo you're doing this. They just fly these drones and they pick up everything,
163. 32:56right? you know, so not saying we're going to do anything with it, but I just it was amazing what the the technology that's out there now. It's just an amazing thing that it's it's quick, it's easy, and you can look at that. You can't see what's in the house, but you sure as I can see what's on the outside of the house. So, just food for thought, you know, down the road.
164. 33:13Yeah. The business will change.
165. 33:16Oh, God. For sure. [clears throat]
166. 33:19Right. Mark, on the senior exemption, local laws, have you reached out to villagers within the county, too? I know sometimes they're behind, you know, I repres
167. 33:29um
168. 33:31be more up to him and
169. 33:33yeah,
170. 33:34and you know, talk to the villages because sometimes they're not up to speed with all of us, you know.
171. 33:39I have not, but I can share that.
172. 33:41Yeah.
173. 33:44Okay. Anybody else have any questions?
174. 33:45Thank you.
175. 33:46Thank you, sir.
176. 33:47Thank you guys. Have we heard anything that uh from selling the properties that were behind on us? They
177. 33:562017 is that we're waiting on
178. 34:00Yeah. Anything about 610?
179. 34:03Not yet. They do. They put an RFP out.
180. 34:09They're going to do it.
181. 34:10Well, yes.
182. 34:12Or the mayor wants to look at it.
183. 34:14What mayor? He got a last week.
184. 34:19Did you get a tour? Yeah, I knew we wanted to get a tour, but
185. 34:22we want to see the
186. 34:23tour that building. That's why
187. 34:26September,
188. 34:31how long does that take before it goes on?
189. 34:36I can ask them. move.
190. 34:39They prefer all favorites. There you go.
191. 34:44Okay, folks. I'd like to bring the uh September public works meeting to order. Uh up first, we have the highway department. [clears throat]
192. 34:56Highway's up first. [clears throat]
193. 34:59He's really quick.
194. 35:00I was having a heated discussion. We weren't seeing eye to eye. [laughter]
195. 35:05Okay. Did you win? That's the important thing, you know.
196. 35:08I don't know. They called me up.
197. 35:09Oh, okay. So, now you lost. Okay.
198. 35:11When you're done.
199. 35:12Yeah. Oh, that's I'm not
200. 35:13They're smiling, so they must have won. I don't know.
201. 35:16They always
202. 35:19Sorry about that.
203. 35:21I want to start by saying I brought I bought really cool glasses like [clears throat] Ray and Brian have.
204. 35:29But once again, I can't see.
205. 35:32Jacket.
206. 35:33It's made out of the green. Is that [laughter]
207. 35:45I'm not proud of um so we're still mowing um doing some grad installations most of the maintenance over [laughter] still hot patching drag boxing county roads um again we had some storm damage though this was one of the better months uh we completed two miles of hot and place recycling, paving and shoulder backup on County Route 16 in town of Clark. Uh we completed 3.3 miles of pot and place recycling and paving on County Route 29, which is Spook Rock Road in Greenport. Um and shoulder backup will begin soon. And we completed 7.2 miles of cold place reclamation and hot mix paving is due to start tomorrow. I believe they they spent the last two days cutting rebates so it should start tomorrow. Um and then shoulder backup will follow out there. U county route 19 in Livingston, which is a short little stretch to the Hamlet. Uh it's currently scheduled for milling and paving in October.
208. 36:46Personnel, uh two employees out on workers comp, two employees out on extended medical leave, and one employee out on leave of absence. And resolution request. Uh the first to fill two vacant uh positions of ME1 and any vacancies there from in the highway department.
209. 37:09Second.
210. 37:10Motion and second. All in favor?
211. 37:17Authorization to fill two vacant budgeted positions of motor equipment 2 and any vacancies. Second motion second. All in favor? uh authorization to abolish one MEO1 and create one create and fill one skill labor both at the same grade 12 and any any vacancies
212. 37:43motion. Do we have a second?
213. 37:45Second. All in favor?
214. 37:48And then the last one's auction vehicles unit 91, unit 68, and unit 69.
215. 37:55Second.
216. 37:56Motion and second. All in favor?
217. 38:03I just had a quick question. The pistol range that you brushed on,
218. 38:07is that just for law enforcement?
219. 38:11No, we also have our gear pile up here.
220. 38:15Are they both one and the same? Just ain't
221. 38:19Are you asking other people use the pistol
222. 38:22supervisor show up? [laughter] might just
223. 38:29call the sheriff's office question behind your behind barracks, right?
224. 38:40Got a whole lot of new neighbors, too.
225. 38:41Clear a bunch of trees behind your trooper barracks, right?
226. 38:44Yeah, somebody did.
227. 38:46Emergency logging operation.
228. 38:50Only question availability of salt right now.
229. 38:54We have it. in availability in terms of ordering it and getting it.
230. 38:59Correct.
231. 38:59Um I don't know. Apple, you just reached out to Chris today um to verify our numbers. Correct. They haven't mentioned anything about um availability. I'm sure everybody has seen the salt price for the for the year. $95 a ton up from 69 last year.
232. 39:16Um and that's just up from like 50. That's the that's the bid.
233. 39:20That's not fuel. That's not Yeah, it's not. So,
234. 39:24well, that can be a lot more.
235. 39:26Yeah. Um, so we've done some some talking with Ray and Ray's had some talks with um the controller and and the chairman um on what we need to do to get ourselves up kind of where we need to be this year out of this year's budget and then what we're going to do next budget in terms of the costs of everything. But as of right now, it's at $95 a ton. I mean, we our filed requirements that we put in with OS is 10,000 ton of salt. So, I mean, you do the math. It's $950,000. So,
236. 40:01so and in Proan, I heard you only got two bids this year.
237. 40:04They only got two bids this year. Supply, would you say,
238. 40:09running out of people that bid, I assume? I think a lot of them weren't making it. some of them. Um I feel like even Karoos didn't bid this year. Um they did bid the last couple years. We didn't use anything for them, right Chris? We didn't get any because it was it was mostly stone which works well for a lot of the towns especially with the dirt roads, right?
239. 40:30Um it doesn't really work well for us on black top roads, especially higher speed roads. Um but yeah, I just I don't know what the
240. 40:41we're probably barging out in a matter of time that I know with center we talked to him pretty early on so he kind of has an idea what he needs to make.
241. 40:51Okay.
242. 40:51Um
243. 40:53and I don't know if Red Wing did they [clears throat] usually out of business in about February.
244. 40:59I was going to say their bank way down you know amount of stuff left too. So,
245. 41:06yeah. And a lot of them too, I mean, I don't know if they're having issues with their mining permits, but the the process to get their mining permits mining permits renewed has taken them years.
246. 41:16Yeah. you [clears throat] know, and that's always been one of our requirements for a bid, but we're at the point now where we just got to kind of take the We actually did some followup um with the state um for them and they they confirmed yes, they're in the process of of renewing these mining permits, but Redwing has been a couple years. He's been waiting to get his own mining permit, you know, but the sand prices themselves stayed pretty much where they were last year. I think one I think center was 16 and then was 16 months.
247. 41:49My are also requiring new surveys which is additional time and money.
248. 41:53Oh really? We just had to do a new timeless service.
249. 41:59Yeah.
250. 42:01And you're going to look at fuel too. [laughter] If we have to bring it in by ship, that's really going to get
251. 42:10close to the stock.
252. 42:13We've had Southern Columbia. We don't have them anybody that was close was
253. 42:19Yeah. getting used up, that's for sure. [clears throat]
254. 42:23Yeah.
255. 42:24Another headache coming on.
256. 42:26Okay. Do we ever verify that the surplus maybe gets uh put back in the highway budget you know you sell
257. 42:34I sure it goes I'm assuming it goes towards the revenue line but doesn't
258. 42:39so there's usually some there's some amount of budget some amount of budgeted money for sales of equipment I don't know what that number is offhand I can double check that but
259. 42:48and to your point I mean it's going to stay in that balance but I don't think there's much fund balance left now what we're looking at for the salt you know so And [clears throat]
260. 42:57I just know it's easy that, you know, that stuff comes in and gets easy to put somewhere else. I think it needs to stay with Tony because he needs it. But you know, obviously
261. 43:04it's going to stay in the highway fund balance. Yeah. But I think that to your point, I think usually there's some money budgeted already. So it doesn't look like it's surplus and you know, if you only meet the budgeted number. So [clears throat] I I'll check on that. We got a budget meeting tomorrow. I can run that by Jim. [clears throat]
262. 43:22And we do have I don't know if I mentioned it. I don't know. I think it's happened since the last meeting. Um, our four, we have two of our four new trucks. The other two are getting the final touches up at uh up in Albany. Um, so we should have all four of them very shortly. Those are the the ones from 2024 and the ones from 2025.
263. 43:44So, um, and it's been we've gone back and forth with the controllers's office on paying the bills for his wax because the trucks themselves came in last year. Um, and we paid Tracy for the trucks because we had to pay Tracy for the trucks. Um, which means this year we had to pay for the equipment and equipment putting on it. Some of it was chips money, some of it was opera funds, some of it was um that H1 account, you know, the
264. 44:12So, it was a little bit of back and forth. The numbers weren't matching up because, you know, two years past when we ordered it, so it's just a we I'm pretty I believe we've got it all straightened out. Um and all of that has been paid for is very it's very close to being paid for. Um but I'll be glad when those are all done because
265. 44:31that delay in ordering stuff. [clears throat] I don't I never order a truck out of chips again file because of that reason, right?
266. 44:39It just it kind of messes everything up when you're trying to encumber that money and then you're you miss that you know year and a half window for the chips monies and it's just
267. 44:49and you know what I always get worried about is I mean you know the chips New York State allows us to carry that over but I'm always afraid some they could take it you know um you know
268. 44:57threatening [clears throat] to years.
269. 44:58Yeah. Yeah. No, they have. So,
270. 45:01and then you're
271. 45:02sometimes you roll over a little bit is one thing, but to carry much, I worry about it.
272. 45:05And then you're you're giving them a um an invoice for just the equipment, you know, when equipment supposed to be, right?
273. 45:14You buy you buy the whole thing and you pay for the whole thing, but now it's kind of peace meal. So, they get some questions there. But yeah,
274. 45:21once we get to that, that'll all be in our next chip submission. So, we'll see how that goes.
275. 45:28That's it. Any other questions for Tony?
276. 45:31All right. Thank you, Tony.
277. 45:32Yeah.
278. 45:34Uh, engineering is next. [clears throat]
279. 45:41Everyone.
280. 45:46So, starting off with our bridges, uh, just as an overview, our bridge projects um are really being held up during their review process a little more than usual [clears throat] these days. Um, I believe in part it's a turnover within the Department of Transportation, but it also seems as though there's been a lot of correspondences from folks against [clears throat] some of these projects that have been submitting letters, not necessarily to the county that we include as part of the public record when we submit our design reports to the Department of Transportation, but they've been writing letters directly to the Federal Highway Administration, Governor Hokll's office, so on and so forth. And when DOT starts seeing these types of correspondence, they basically stop the brakes and they start slow walking the process unfortunately because really what that means is that delays the project and every time we delay the project that increases the overall cost.
281. 46:40So Rossman Road being an example. So uh Federal Highway Administration uh we received comments back from them. There were a few public comments that were received that although federal highway administration agrees that uh detour as far as Rossman and the Empire trail empire trail is the uh most reasonable uh option that we have. There are a few folks that wrote in letters indicating that they were concerned about bicyclists uh traveling on Route 9 based on the heavy traffic and so forth. And unfortunately, part of the Empire Trail already is on Route 9 and so therefore we have to respond to that just indicating that type of a response.
282. 47:23But DOT takes months as far as the reviews. But it's it's that type of correspondence unfortunately and that type of back and forth that has really been slowing down these projects. So we've addressed that comment. We are hoping that that allows us to move forward with a um a generic if you would or a standard 4F process versus a individual 4F process. And if you remember the individual 4F process that we took uh excuse me that we had to do for copay as far as moving that clock that was appropriate obviously. However, that was a 24 to 28month process. And so again, we have to go with that type of a process with Rossman that will kick that into 2028 as far as an, you know, the earliest to go in construction, but we continue to try to at least do our part with our consultants as far as addressing comments and trying to move things along.
283. 48:18And it was the state's idea to put the Empire Trail on our bridge. So,
284. 48:21and the fact that they're doing again a bicycle um path or bicycle route across a metal deck bridge makes no sense, but
285. 48:28we're trying to make it better, right? you know, it's not but when you see a lot of the comments being repetitive, okay, as far as month after month, that's one of the issues that we run into. Okay. Um,
286. 48:43Syson Falls bridge uh consultant has submitted an upgraded uh purpose, need, and objective uh to DOT and we've also provided an upgraded uh resource survey map um and survey area to them. So, we're hoping that from this that identifies the uh area of potential effect. So, that way Shipo can hopefully concur to that map and then we can actually get together with the uh additional consultants. One being the town of Styverson, the other being the Styverson historic um historic bridge committee. Is that correct? Or historic sty.
287. 49:23Yeah. Um
288. 49:24the bridge committee is formed by the town
289. 49:26and then we can actually do the visual assessment because we haven't even done the visual assessments because we have not been able to come to concurrence as far as the area potential of that. But he won't do the visual assessment until that's we've been at that for six months. We're in Mountain because again what takes place is that we had our initial comment period and that information comes to the county and then we submit that as part of the public record but then we have individuals that you know two months after the fact three months into the process they go ahead and they add an additional comment letter directly to DOT. DOT says well now you need to go ahead and address this and it just stays a step.
290. 50:01So just want to give you an understanding of what we're dealing with uh and why these projects are not moving as quickly as we had hoped for when these uh spec specifically Rossman as well as some of the others do it had anticipated a two-year window for those to be constructed. We are now seeing a lot of our projects go to three if not four year window [clears throat] on on the bridge York funded projects.
291. 50:28It just gets more expensive.
292. 50:29Yeah. Every year, every year we can add easy 8 to 10% construction cost.
293. 50:34Continuous lack of service.
294. 50:36Correct. Right.
295. 50:37Quick question for you. Because I got hit by a local farmer down Roxberry Road and they said they thought somebody was inspecting the bridge and they're saying, you know, we're not planning I said I don't think we plan to do anything on that bridge for a while. I don't know if you plan on doing anything to it, but we're worried about Well, if I they're going to do something. I need to know because my crops are on either side of the bridge.
296. 50:56Oh, sure. Yeah. So it's
297. 50:58I said it I know.
298. 50:59No no no. So what happens so routinely so all of our county bridges uh at a minimum they get inspected once every two years by department of transportation. The trans the DOT are the ones that actually do the uh inspections on behalf of the county and they do that statewide. So that happens at least once every two years. If there is a weight limit, if there it has a red flag the year before, which means that it's a safety issue, then DOT requires that it be inspected every year from that new time. So again, it probably was just one of the annual inspections. And I have to tell you, I have not seen any type of uh safety flag or red flag come across my desk as far as anything associated with it.
299. 51:39And I said the same thing to him. I said, look at I haven't heard of anything. I usually would hear something that we're going to do something in the next couple years. Yeah.
300. 51:46So I'm told, don't worry about it. If it's a good report, it can take three months to get to us. If it's bad, they'll get to it right away.
301. 51:51Yeah. Yeah. Normally, if it's an inspection and there's a safety, they normally notify me that day.
302. 51:56Right.
303. 51:56Okay. So, like I said, I have not seen anything come here. There's nothing buckling [clears throat] up here, but it's in that holding pattern with uh yeah, last time that was inspected was 2025. That's actually inspected May of 2025 as far as the inspection. But yeah, as far as there's we're in the process of addressing those DAT comments and and you know working towards a design report with that. But yeah, other than that, we haven't uh taken any any further um you know design steps as far as that goes. It's very early in the process yet. But again, it's addressing um there was a question that came up with respect to historic um and and the section 106 um which is his um historic and cultural resources. So we've been addressing that uh or those comments from from DOT and uh we are continuing to work at least towards a initial preliminary design report. Um but other than that yeah most of it's in that holding.
304. 52:55Thank you.
305. 52:56Thank you.
306. 52:56Doesn't mean that we stopped but it's just that it's in a review.
307. 53:01Uh county uh county roads uh county route 7A. So public comment period regarding the draft final individual for that comment period ends uh September 27th. So electronic copies of the documents are found uh on the county website as well as the county copay website and then we are working with the uh consultant to address a few minor comments as it pertains to the overall design. Um once that comment period has ended, we'll start our process of actually going towards each one of the property owners for land acquisition, whether it be in the form of fee taking um where we're actually taking property or whether it's construction easements.
308. 53:42Okay. Uh county route 8 storm damage um coordinating the signing the contracts with Colorado. actually received the contract back from Colorado today uh sending it into the chairman for uh counter signature hopefully as soon as tomorrow and they anticipate that they'll begin work by the end of this month and that work will take approximately one month.
309. 54:02Have a question. We have a box folder in Anchorown and it is flag for repair and I was just wondering if it's on the schedule of that.
310. 54:13Yeah. So, we had some other work that our bridge crew is taking care of up in Nyberville. Um, and during the summer, one of the one of the issues we run into staffing wise as far as public works, high all public voice, but specifically highway is all of the men are putting in a lot of time during the winter months, right? So, they're getting all kinds of overtime and so forth, which is they earned it. What happens during the summer? [clears throat] Thank you.
311. 54:39And that's [laughter] also our construction period, right? So, we have lack of staff. So what happens is is that we don't have enough staff to, you know, do as much work as we would like to. It's not by not being able to do it as far as the the skill level. It's just not having the staff. So they were working on some work. They've completed that. I've spoken to the bridge crew. We do anticipate still working on that this fall and getting that uh up and operational.
312. 55:05That's a very tricky intersection. Yes, it is
313. 55:07because of the number of intersections. So, we're hoping that it'll only take about a 3-day period to actually get that done.
314. 55:18Uh, buildings 11 War Street um awaiting updated ex uh exterior sketches from the architect. Once I receive those, then we'll reconvene that workg group so that way they can review it. We can then have our second publicformational meeting and then also then present it here before committee and then ultimately to the full board. As far as those improvements on the exterior, I can tell you that I've been having a bit of uh discussion with the code enforcement officer from the city Hudson as it pertains to the uh his Hudson historic uh commission and uh he has provided correspondence to me indicating that he is requiring that we stop all of the work that we had going on on the exterior which was replacing the stairs and we were going to be putting signs up uh for the various departments that are there.
315. 56:06He said that I had to cease all that work until we received we appeared before the his uh historic uh commission and uh received a letter of appropriateness or certificate of appropriateness. I provided correspondence back to him indicating that before we took on the project that I provided an email with my understanding of the city code and the requirements as far as permitting as well as the procedural matters of going or not going before the historic commission. And I had received correspondence and concurrence back from Craig Hay, the then code enforcement officer for the city of Hudson, confirming that all county buildings are exempt from having to go before that committee and that we do not have to go before that committee or the planning board for our project.
316. 56:57So we agreed to disagree that we agree we agree to dis well we unfortunately we agreed it to we continue to agree to disagree because he even though I provided in that documentation he's indicated to me that he does not um agree with that interpretation
317. 57:21to be continued but I am I did tell him that at least as it pertains to this to the signage and to the um stairs. The fact that it does serve our uh board of elections and obviously that is a polling location that we do not want to stop our activity as far as putting the signage up or the stairs because that would not only safety but it's it's a board of elections. It's a polling place. We do not want to inhibit uh anyone from you know entering or providing access to that poll.
318. 57:52It's going to be enough challenge because we move to a new location. There's going to be people adjusting. So,
319. 57:56so I just wanted to let the board um know that that's continuing to go on.
320. 58:02Uh City of Hudson combined sewer separation. So, for those that may not know, City of Hudson from and again like many old cities within New York and the US, uh it was very common for cities to have a combined sewer, both storm water and sanitary. And so, City of Hudson is undertaking a massive project to actually separate those two. um that'll include very deep and large excavations along many of their roadways. One of the first portions that they're looking at undertaking is Colombia Street. Um so obviously that would impact um uh 325 as well as 401 um because they're also going to be doing some of the outage.
321. 58:43So we had uh gotten together to discuss what their plans were, what their phasing plan was, so that way we can ensure that we always have access to our parking lots, not only for our employees, but also for the services that we provide for those facilities. They have not provided me a uh time frame as far as the construction and when that may take place, but they anticipate that they are going to continue with their design process during the winter. and as they get closer, they would by all means share that proposed construction schedule with us.
322. 59:14That will mean a lot of coordination with the departments within those buildings, not only for our own staffing, but also for the clientele that are coming to appointments to make sure that they're aware prior to um leaving their home and entering into the area. So, we place a part of that burden onto the city of Hudson to assist on those notifications as well.
323. 59:38uh airport. The uh speestous abatement has been uh completed out at the building. So um right now contractors beginning his interior wall framing uh that started um this past week on Monday. And now the electrical and plumbing um are putting in their roughings uh for that work. Right now, if all goes well, we do anticipate that excavation for the new addition will start uh last week of September. The new steel building for that addition is to arrive at the end of October.
324. 1:00:09Meanwhile, they will continue to work on the re interior renovations of the um terminal building and hopefully that terminal building right now is scheduled be to be completed before the end of January with the new addition being completed. uh in the March time frame,
325. 1:00:32uh 610 State Street uh met with uh CEDC regarding the sale of 610. So CEDC is actually working with the county attorney's office in preparing an RFP regarding the sale for them. I'll be sending out an email to all the departments that still have some files and various desks or things of that nature in there that all of that um material needs to be moved out of 610 by the end of November.
326. 1:01:02Uh, one other item with respect to buildings. I just want to mention that during our uh, process, you'll see one of the items that I have on for resolutions tonight is 401 regarding a roof replacement, but uh, during our budgeting um, there was a question that had arisen with respect to the long-term um, plan with respect to 401. So uh in addition to that there was some discussions as far as moving um uh departments within 401 to make maximum use of the space that's available. So I think at some point um maybe beginning of October to perhaps schedule a space utilization committee to get that uh discussion started up again.
327. 1:01:47You can do that.
328. 1:01:50uh water district. Uh proud to say that on August 20th, um New York State announced that Columbia County received an additional $500,000 grant towards the county infrastructure grant program and that's round two and that's again to fund the water storage tax. So we now have a million dollars of sleep.
329. 1:02:11Did we get the uh 911 get us money for the electric to go in there? According to Rod, it it it hasn't been officially he continues to work with it and it's still and it continues to look very promising. And that was in the amount of roughly 388 to $400,000. So I don't know if it's been officially awarded, but I know that he continues to work on it and it looks very good as far as obtaining that. And that was for the electric facility.
330. 1:02:38Uh airport airw uh moving forward with the construction for the unit itself. And as part of that, we also have to do some clear clear tree clearing, excuse me. Um, and we're currently working with uh New York State DEC because unfortunately part of that tree clearing is taking place within the wetland that surrounds the old board. So there is a permit that is required. Um, so it becomes a means and methods of how we are going to do the clearing.
331. 1:03:04DTC is potentially fine with us clearing the trees by taking them down as long as we don't drag them through the wetlands or do any type of disturbances um to be but we are still waiting for their final determination. We continue to work towards that but we'll at least still be allowed to put the materials in as far as the other losses.
332. 1:03:27Um, as we're talking with pre-claring, the FAA, um, contacted us after they had conducted one of their in safety inspections, uh, there were a pair of trees that have risen to, um, an area that is now piercing the glide slope for runway three. So that's the the, uh, runway to the south. And so we we are currently working with the highway department to get those trees taken down. Um, and again, that just provides for a notification to the pilots that there's an obstruction within that glide path. It becomes a safety issue.
333. 1:03:59So, obviously, we just want to try to avoid that and and remove that safety concern. Uh, that land is on county land where the trees are. So, there's no issue about us getting them to take those out.
334. 1:04:14Resolutions. First resolution is for um a task order with National Mohawk, I'm sorry, National Niagara, excuse me, National Grid and this is regarding a roof replacement for 401. Again, this is being funded through uh funds that um the that NAERTA has provided to the county through the uh clean energy community program.
335. 1:04:43Motion in a second. All in favor? But
336. 1:04:46we thank John Melt and all his work about helping us out with obtaining those funds.
337. 1:04:53Uh second one is a sales agreement and licensed with uh the Niagara Power Corporation and this is regarding a sale. So this is a sale or transfer of land between national grid going to the city of Hudson. And so as part of that um before they go to the public service commission they have to also have the county enter an agreement with them that the county is allowing that transfer of land to take place. And so this I've run this past the uh county attorney uh county attorney actually provided me the language as far as the resolution. So requesting that the uh committee authorize the chairman to sign any and all um agreements with national grid.
338. 1:05:42Motion in a second. All in favor?
339. 1:05:46It does retain our rightway that exists on that property for the toss buildings.
340. 1:05:52And we specifically added even though it's within the deeds uh we wanted to make sure that we specifically added that language to the resolutions and the the agreements.
341. 1:06:02Uh, next resolution is a resolution um for New York State Department of Transportation as far as going ahead and having the uh master agreement signed which would allow the county to go ahead and move forward with the 29 county route 29 guar rail replacement project. And this is to fund um $22,000 towards the engineering cost of that project.
342. 1:06:28Second.
343. 1:06:29Motion and second. All in favor? This was that extra grant that we got. Was that right? Like Bridge New York almost. But
344. 1:06:36yeah, unfortunately the county um it's based on
345. 1:06:39federal rules though.
346. 1:06:41Yes, they all have federal rules associated with them. And uh based on the size of the county, there was also a cap on it as well. So we had only received a little over $400,000, which was the max. Yeah.
347. 1:06:54Available to Columbia County. Uh, next resolution is for the um repair and we're actually providing a liquid coating system. It's an elastime coating onto the metal roofs for the fire training center in the amount of $63,000 as well as a portion of the uh south hanger up at the airport in the amount of 27,300. Both of these are funded by the county at 100%.
348. 1:07:29Second.
349. 1:07:30Motion a second. All in favor?
350. 1:07:33That's because they originally had screw down roofs that the screws were leaking out and
351. 1:07:37correct.
352. 1:07:39Uh last resolution that I have is for uh the to resend and replace resolution the previous resolution resolution 204 of 2026. um with this resolution and that's authorizing entering into an agreement with Passero for the actual oversight of the AWAS installation in the amount of $180,5
353. 1:08:02motion in a second. All in favor
354. 1:08:14I did it and I take responsibility
355. 1:08:17but that [laughter] in my defense raised last minute have to get it.
356. 1:08:24It absolutely was. So I I bombarded Kelly. was on the it was on a Friday prior to the full board meeting and I've bombarded her with I believe six or seven
357. 1:08:33resolutions
358. 1:08:34and all of Ray's resolutions to me look the same there's a lot of wording forunately
359. 1:08:42I got a question but I'm not sure it's for Wendy Ray or how this all played out our assessor brought to our attention the land up by the clover landfield the one we used to have that has not been transferred I guess he had I don't know if he hasn't done the paperwork work that was supposed to do the paperwork. So be she just picked it up that we haven't he's not paying tax now. So I think the [clears throat] county still has it.
360. 1:09:05I have to check with Rod Simmons on that. I don't know whether they fulfilled all of their requirements. They were supposed to wait on summer and he said she just happened to pick it up in the books. I said well let me look into that because I know we that was done quite a while ago. So
361. 1:09:22well I did it absolutely was I mean the board has already approved it. board has approved that resolution and that transfer. Uh but I can tell you I have not seen a survey and I know that was one of the obligations that they would supply. Yeah, I think we'll do all paper. I remember that
362. 1:09:36but I'll check with Rob as far as the county
363. 1:09:38last I had asked Rob he was waiting on something for
364. 1:09:41Okay, that was just want to let you guys know you know
365. 1:09:43a month or two ago I don't remember
366. 1:09:45put it back in tax rolls.
367. 1:09:49I will check in.
368. 1:09:51Thank you. Any other questions for Ray? [clears throat]
369. 1:09:56That's good. [laughter] He's running though, right? Actually [clears throat] have facilities.
370. 1:10:04Yeah. [laughter]
371. 1:10:09Just run.
372. 1:10:16All right. Uh we had routine monthly uh building and property maintenance uh generator test up to date. [clears throat] Um couple things did a lot of work over at the courthouse. Um you know just added on to their cage in the basement. Um storing a chair rail Dutch door for the commissioner juror. Um had to work on a couple uh AC units. Luckily we were able to take care of it ourselves.
373. 1:10:42Uh 11 Warren uh installed a bunch of AEDs thermostat covers door latch. Uh we put a new outdoor storage shed in for a um for lawn equipment and a snow blower.
374. 1:10:58Let's see here.
375. 1:10:59Added on to uh probation, you know, to their uh um locker room. They for their, you know, a lot of their gun materials and their radios and extra stuff. Um, so nutrition, we've been trying to take care of that building. Uh, that started to really get away from us. So, we're, you know, repairing all the mortar in the back, painting it, sealing all the joints, um, and just going to try to work on that building for a little while because I don't think we're planning on moving it in the near future. So, we're we're going to try to button up that building.
376. 1:11:36It was a thought, Brian. It was it was included in the budget request I think to do black topping out there next year. Is that needed to be done or
377. 1:11:45I would say so because they're they're actually getting more and more seniors there. to open up the kitchen more in that that parking lot is
378. 1:11:53I know it isn't great but I just you know
379. 1:11:55you know [clears throat] I just worry about the the folks you know I mean I know we got a couple of them like how that soil and water we got to take care of but that you know and um
380. 1:12:06you know how it is when we look at the budget being $9 million over
381. 1:12:11well it wasn't that question you know
382. 1:12:13I mean it's sold
383. 1:12:16yeah [laughter] if we're adding for salt that's the problem there
384. 1:12:18public education Slow down.
385. 1:12:21Slow down.
386. 1:12:22Well, I brought that up this morning that Yeah, let's
387. 1:12:25be something that we look at. Maybe we can put like a mini band-aid on it where because most of the seniors park at the building close to the building and drip.
388. 1:12:35That's if we take care of that and maybe some of the other stuff go.
389. 1:12:40All right. Well, we got it's in the budget right now, but we're just I just want
390. 1:12:44We're looking at the probably the parking lot at 560, too. Yeah, we have to, you know, that beats it bad because they're using that for other.
391. 1:12:53Yeah, we we went and patched some spots like like the farmer market, they're they're really good, you know, because I don't really inspect the whole lot. I got to start having my guys more, but there was a nice it had it done in the day. So, um you know, but I would say something like that has to definitely be put on the
392. 1:13:11Okay. to do. um uh soil and water. We had the fire department there uh seiz one of the blower motors and one of the AC units seized up and uh you know it's kind of real smoky in there. So we we took care of that. So um but other than that it's basically routine routine maintenance you know done a lot of like 11 warren is looks you know really good shape right now. one resolution.
393. 1:13:43You missed 610 yet or anything. You don't have to go there as often.
394. 1:13:47Well, [laughter]
395. 1:13:52it just looks empty when you go live.
396. 1:13:54I know. Well, we're going to get a dumpster there and start going down pretty soon. But, uh, I will be, uh, putting pictures out probably for county departments, for stuff like I mean, luckily we've been able to get a lot of shelving that was there and we're installing it down at the new. It was actually pretty nice. Nice stain poly. Really nice. It actually
397. 1:14:18some of that.
398. 1:14:18Yeah. So, we're um you know,
399. 1:14:21relocating it.
400. 1:14:22Yeah. Good.
401. 1:14:22Repurposing it.
402. 1:14:24There you go.
403. 1:14:24Uh yeah, I'm just looking to fill one vacant building maintenance worker. Got
404. 1:14:31a motion. Do we have a second? Yeah. Yeah.
405. 1:14:33All in favor?
406. 1:14:38[clears throat]
407. 1:14:45You don't got any good questions for Brian?
408. 1:14:51Not where I was. So that was a bad
409. 1:14:53I see you fixed this air conditioner though, huh? Yeah.
410. 1:14:56Well, you fixed the wrong one [laughter] over there.
411. 1:14:59Oh jeez. This one was low on fre.
412. 1:15:06All right, Brian. Thank you.
413. 1:15:08And up next we have solid waste. [clears throat]
414. 1:15:14Feels like a really thick packet going on here.
415. 1:15:19Okay.
416. 1:15:21So, banial [clears throat] report is going out next week.
417. 1:15:26Oh, thank you.
418. 1:15:27Um, it does need to be approved. We'll see how that works, but at least it'll be out of my office. [clears throat]
419. 1:15:33Uh we're doing mandatory HR training for our part-time laborers next week. Uh that will be held right in our admin office.
420. 1:15:40Um we're doing a little overhaul in the administrative office at the moment. So, we're looking at inventory paperwork. Um, and so we're going to be updating that and it's specifically updating paperwork that is specific to the clerks. So just so you're aware,
421. 1:16:03yeah, um, I'll be sending out an email kind of getting a feel for what they're doing, but we're doing three-part paper receipts and or not the it's just a lot paperwork. Um, and so we're going to try and reduce some paper usage going into the new year.
422. 1:16:22Um, so just so you're aware in case you hear anything in office.
423. 1:16:26Um, it might look a little different
424. 1:16:29and you're changing the GL and it hasn't been change. It's just so hard because if we have um updates in pricing, then I've got all of this paperwork on three copy paper that is outdated and then we're writing on it. It's really messy and I think we can do a lot of it electronically. So, that's what we're going to try and do.
425. 1:16:52Um and our admin office is also reorganizing procedures in regards to how our resolution requests in the past have been done. um specifically for the one that's coming up in a minute. Um we always kind of did it after the fact and so the resolution was from the year before. Um so I'm just trying to make it all judged.
426. 1:17:15Um I have a really hard time with this agenda this month apparently because I can't spell. So it's not an on part-time employee. I have one part-time employee out. We're currently down four and my hiring date for the new employees is not until October 3rd. So, broken record. Stay patient with us, especially on Saturdays because four part-time positions down on a Saturday is really rough for our station attendants.
427. 1:17:38Um, and if anybody has been up to the Greenport Station in the month of August, you'll have noticed um a lot of material. Um, and that material was uh all cleaned up before Labor Day. Um, we have a little bit right now, but um, so a big shout out to all my guys. We had some transportation issues from our hauler, not us. Um, and trailer shortages from our vendor, not us. Um, that kind of gave us a little bit of a backlog. We are getting more in material than we have in the past as well. Um, so
428. 1:18:18we did ask Wendy to increase her coming in and she did. So, you know,
429. 1:18:22coming [laughter] in our inbound material, you know, we're looking at a little over a hundred ton a day, which is significantly more than what we used to do. Um, and you think about the trailers we're loading is somewhere between 26 and 30 tons per trailer. So, we do the math. That's a lot. Um, but I just want to give a big shout out to my guys. I know they've watched these meetings when they came out um at Greenport for loading the material uh at literally record speed um over the last few weeks. I mean they were pushing six maybe sometimes even seven trailers a day which is amazing without overtime.
430. 1:19:03Yeah, you know one an hour. So [clears throat] I mean it's it's a lot. It's a lot. They they were and yet there was still a big pile out there. That's what was amazing is what we were it was coming in that fast, you know, but they worked together. Um they picked up the slack. I couldn't be more proud of them all really just kind of coming together. You know, no one banged out sick or anything like that. They all just
431. 1:19:26great.
432. 1:19:28I'm just really certainly on behalf of the committee, thank them for us, too. I think that that goes back to that. So, thank you. Does the October 3rd date include the full-time position we created or has that already been?
433. 1:19:39So, I'm not post I have not yet posted that position. I've posted the part-time positions first. I'd like to kind of get some part-time people trained. Um there's a little conversation in the office right now about how the full-time position is going to look. Um and so, um I don't need the chaos right now. So, I'd like to get some part-time people trained and and get them where I need them on Saturdays and then the monthly report is attached and then I have some.
434. 1:20:16So, this is the one that I was talking about. Usually, we do this at the end of the year or the following calendar year. So I'm using a resolution from the year before for these commercial accounts as it was a little I it didn't make sense to me. So we're doing it today. So this is requesting authorization to enter in agreements with various commercial establishments. [clears throat]
435. 1:20:39Motion a second. All in favor.
436. 1:20:44And the next one is our annual accepting the bid to monitor and service all our Glendy County landfills. [clears throat]
437. 1:20:52Thank you.
438. 1:20:53Motion a second. All in favor?
439. 1:20:59Question.
440. 1:21:00Um we were talking about last year when I think it's beginning of January you sent out the stickers for people again that we went through.
441. 1:21:08So we're going to start those sales are distributed in November. Um and I think November 30th is the first month like the okay Monday of December like the first week of December. So we'll it'll be
442. 1:21:22I mean it's not a problem. We'll upgrade if we got people in this you know season starts first January and the stickers start first everything comes in.
443. 1:21:29So last year we started last year we started um selling them in December.
444. 1:21:34Okay.
445. 1:21:35So we'll start them um it it's usually the first week in December but the first week of December starts November. So we'll do it.
446. 1:21:44Okay. I agree.
447. 1:21:46Yeah. It was two years ago that we dumped that on the clerks, I think, and then they got excited. Last year was better, right?
448. 1:21:55Yeah. The first year we did it like halfway through December.
449. 1:21:58Yeah. Right.
450. 1:21:58And then last year, I think we did it at the
451. 1:22:00And it was new. So you know, letting it get all worked up even months at a time.
452. 1:22:07Maybe last year we did it in the middle of December.
453. 1:22:08I think last year we did it better. Yeah.
454. 1:22:12It's fine, right?
455. 1:22:14Thought maybe a couple extra months or weeks might be helpful.
456. 1:22:17Yeah. Yeah, you got the hazardous [clears throat] household waste day coming up.
457. 1:22:25Yes. October 10th is the household hazardous waste day. 812 fire training center. I'll be there.
458. 1:22:35Do you need help?
459. 1:22:36If anyone would like to help, I normally I have some admin help and they're all uh busy. So, I'm going to be a little October 10th.
460. 1:22:48October 10th.
461. 1:22:50Thank you.
462. 1:23:00Do you want me to send it to the clerk or to you direct to the supervisors?
463. 1:23:07Okay. Because I did send them to the clerks before.
464. 1:23:11Okay.
465. 1:23:15Yeah. I try to I will do that. Yes.
466. 1:23:23Yes. Brenda had a question about the metal volume. There was a big uptick this month and I'm just wondering where that was.
467. 1:23:30We're moving it. [laughter]
468. 1:23:33Moving it. But what is it?
469. 1:23:34Oh, metal is bulk [clears throat] u just your bulk metal that comes in. Maybe washers, dryers, metal [clears throat] appliances. Not cron. um or just miscellaneous metal
470. 1:23:49which just was such a big uptick.
471. 1:23:52Yeah. Um
472. 1:23:53the pile got big and then it was time to go, right? [clears throat]
473. 1:23:57Well, we collect metal at all of the stations as well. So, um a lot of times it can [clears throat] just kind of accumulate there for a while or it will just hang out for a bit. Um and with the state coming down to do an inspection, um we've been cracking the whip a little bit. So we we've just moved that movement a lot more a lot quicker. So it
474. 1:24:21it's more than double.
475. 1:24:23It has, but I don't know how much September and October are going to be. So I think it'll probably average out [clears throat]
476. 1:24:32there's Yeah, we're just moving it a lot faster. And hopefully I there is a very good possibility that I might have done something wrong with the number too. So if that is an incorrect number, I will email [laughter] you tomorrow because clearly my brain was not in at this time. [laughter] There's lots of error. [clears throat]
477. 1:24:51You start your new clerk in the office.
478. 1:24:56That's the other reason I like it.
479. 1:24:58Right. Yeah.
480. 1:25:00[clears throat]
481. 1:25:00We charge for it, too.
482. 1:25:02So
483. 1:25:03yeah.
484. 1:25:03Yeah.
485. 1:25:04Just had a question for Ray. um if we're done with sawways um these correspondences that are going to these higher authorities on these bridge products projects I'm sure most of them are meant to in some way delay things um but is there any way that we can offer to the public to capture that so we don't have as much going maybe those that are actually interested in feedback
486. 1:25:29you're asking me no I'm I'm asking you to create an avenue which will expedite our processes while still being a good public facing engagement.
487. 1:25:41We have
488. 1:25:41we already do that publicformational meetings um and we invite the public to provide comment and even 30 days after generally 30 days after those public u comment or after the public meetings we still allow for emails to come in and we include that correspondence when we submit it to the DOT. Yeah. No, I know you're doing a fantastic job on outreach, but these things are still derailed despite that.
489. 1:26:09No, one of the things we might do is in that public comment say it's really important to respect these comment periods because we budget these projects based on the timeline associated period for the appropriate time and later it's going to be 10% a year in addition for construction. Yes, by all means, you know,
490. 1:26:28don't
491. 1:26:31I mean I to your point, yes, I can provide a more, you know, I can definitely provide more information as far as what the impact is and
492. 1:26:39something, you know, we know what the um
493. 1:26:44money usually.
494. 1:26:46I would hope I hope yes, I can I can make
495. 1:26:50if you and the committee I don't know. just seems like it it sucks that well it's a poor word to use but it's unfortunate that these projects are carrying over and like you know everyone said the price is going up but also the lack of provision services is is staying
496. 1:27:06and um it's it's difficult what also concerns in the long term is that the funding that comes to Columbia
497. 1:27:16right
498. 1:27:16because again these [clears throat] projects get delayed they don't move DOT as well Federal Highway Administration, they're providing the funding. They want the money to be utilized. When they see the money is not being utilized in a timely manner for whatever reason that may be. Again, it's not within our control of the county that may persuade them to put those funds elsewhere. That's the part that really concerns people.
499. 1:27:40Well, you know, right to that effect, you know, a while back, I'd had a conversation with Congressman Riley who had talked to me about, you know, what he could do to help. And I said, you know, what you can do to help is that, you know, it's great that the funding is there, you know, and there could always be more, but you could work with DOT, New York State DOT to let us spend it faster because they are they are themselves an agency that bogs this down too. Uh, you know, you may see DOT getting bogged down by comments, but they themselves and you know, you know that
500. 1:28:08they are following but they are following the federal requirements and basically what's
501. 1:28:13basically what happens, we got to call back some regulations. You know, we're stifling ourselves, but [clears throat]
502. 1:28:20all the town board members that are familiar with Seeker and what the planning boards go through as far as Seeker recognize [clears throat] in some instance,
503. 1:28:28right? Seeker could be utilized as a tool to slow down the process.
504. 1:28:33I believe you ran into that with your roads up in Hillsdale if I remember correct supervisor and so you understand full well the impact. And so when we look at the section 106 and the 4F, it's being I find it's being used in a very similar manner. Unfortunately,
505. 1:28:51there was actually a conference sometime this spring on the weaponization of secret [clears throat] being used as a tool to stop or slow down
506. 1:29:00and and eventually discourage developers.
507. 1:29:02Well, yeah, I was going to say because usually it doesn't the only reason it tends to stop a project is because the developer runs out of line and it discourages, right? Um but if you're following the process, as long as you're following the process and you're providing that uh those answers and there's a basis of your decision making,
508. 1:29:23then the process will move forward. It is very weaponization.
509. 1:29:29But I again I I agree. I it hasn't happened until probably within the last year or so, this last round of Bridge New York projects, it seems like. Um, and so I will try to do a better job making sure that people recognize the impact that that had as far as our program, as far as the replacement program, as well as the lack of services and the increase in cost.
510. 1:29:52But my comments in no way were, you know, critical of your public outreach because I know that's been fantastic. Um, it's just I think there's unforeseen obstacles. But, you know, Ray, without any public, um, problems, [clears throat] you know, uh, you know, there's a section of State Route 9J that's closed because of that recent storm back in July, and New York State DOT is trying to do the repairs, and they are tied up trying to get permission from DEEC to do it because it's a title stream, you know. So, again, what they said would be four weeks is now stretched out to maybe November from July. Uh, you know, and that's their own state agencies that can't get together. So you know
511. 1:30:32yeah it's not
512. 1:30:33it's not just you not just us
513. 1:30:36right everyone gets impacted
514. 1:30:38I also think there's one more layer there's the housing project in the challenge in which they follow the super comment insisted that the department health that's normally not it's a separate agency since they have made that such an issue the planning board back then. So, I think it's really important to have training for these planning and zoning officials so they know how to stay in their partner. The DO is their own approval process and it doesn't have the secret.
515. 1:31:18Motion to adjurnn. All right. Thank you.
516. 1:31:22All in favor?
517. 1:31:23Thank you very much, folks.

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